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a question on breeding in g/s/c

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pokenaab

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Hi there, I am a newcomer... not only for this forum but also for the pokemon world. I have completed my pokèdex in r, b and then started playing gold... and I think I missed up something about breeding. There's something I must have misunderstood about EGG MOVES or whatever.

Here's the problem.

I wanted to make a pure-water team for fun, and I wanted a Fighter in my team. Only choice is Poliwrath. But Poliwrath does not really learn any Fighting technique and there are not tms apart dynamic punch, so I decided to use (chain) breeding, starting from the only fighter which does not belong to breeding group 8: mankey.
So I raised up a male mankey (breeding group 5) until it learned some decent attack (cross chop, seismic toss and karate chop. I deleted the 4th attack to keep an open spot for hypnosis which i like). Then I let him have... sex with a female Wooper (breeding groups 2 and 5: poliwag is group 2...). I had the egg. I walked to have him hatch and... the baby wooper ONLY KNEW WATER GUN AND TAIL WHIP!!! It didin't know ANY of the father's techniques as it should (or not?).

So I desperately started looking for infos in the web, and I found that, actually, not all of the father's moves can be bred but only certain "egg moves". But which moves are these, I don't know! How can I figure it out???



please give me some information if you can, and please also forgive me if my english is not so good... :)
 
The Pokemon you breed it to has to be able to learn those moves. Check an online pokedex for details.
 
Also, Poliwrath doesn't learn any fighting moves from breeding in G/S/C. The only fightning move it can learn without a Tm is submission
 
Ok i got it. I learned what "egg moves" are and I played a little bit.
For example I gave a Charmender Bite and Rock Slide, sadly I discovered in Crystal I could give Crunch instead of Bite, but that's ok, I'm just experimenting.

One more thing didn't work however: i got an egg from a male rhyhorn with Crunch and Rock Slide (both obtained via breeding a female rhyhorn with a male Larvitar. So bad it took THREE trials to get a male Rhyhorn!!! GRRRR!!) and a Female Piloswine.
In theory, according to the data I found on MANY websites, the resulting swinub should have learned both Crunch and Rock Slide, but it didn't. It only knew Rock Slide (oh, and tackle, of course). So I guess the data I found was not correct, or something is wrong in what I did?
I'm playing with Silver right now.

Oh I also imported a Polywrath with Fissure and a Machamp with Earthquake and Rock Slide from Yellow. They're both male! But I guess that, via breeding, the baby will not get those moves, am I right? In fact those moves are not TMs in g/s and they are not egg moves, too... so bad.
 
Might be that you're looking at a later-than-GSC egg move list. Bulbapedia has them for all four generations, easily found. So. Yeah. Go for it.


But um, you realize you're playing a TEN YEAR OLD game. Right? Why didn't you go jump right into DPPt?
 
-i like those old games a lot and the fact that they are old doesn't matter for me. hehe, i'm a litttle bit old, too.... i've played games with much worse graphics and sound....
-i haven't got a nintendo ds, and afaik you need a nintendo ds for crystal and pearl right? (moreover you know that you actually need two nds if you want to trade with yourself... which is a thing i must do cause i dont know anybody who plays pokemon... people think it's a game for kids maybe because of the anime, but i think it's a great rpg... it's a pity grownups don't understand it...) so i cant' play the 4th generation. i gave a look at the 3rd, tough. pokemon emerald. Seems nice. but it also seems that things are getting quite complicated. effort vaules, natures... it has always been a little annoying for me to look for a pokemon with good stats, and to train them to high level, now it's getting even worse... anyway, I will surely play emerald, but first let me have more fun with gold and silver. :-)
 
pokenaab said:
-i like those old games a lot and the fact that they are old doesn't matter for me. hehe, i'm a litttle bit old, too.... i've played games with much worse graphics and sound....
-i haven't got a nintendo ds, and afaik you need a nintendo ds for crystal and pearl right? (moreover you know that you actually need two nds if you want to trade with yourself... which is a thing i must do cause i dont know anybody who plays pokemon... people think it's a game for kids maybe because of the anime, but i think it's a great rpg... it's a pity grownups don't understand it...) so i cant' play the 4th generation. i gave a look at the 3rd, tough. pokemon emerald. Seems nice. but it also seems that things are getting quite complicated. effort vaules, natures... it has always been a little annoying for me to look for a pokemon with good stats, and to train them to high level, now it's getting even worse... anyway, I will surely play emerald, but first let me have more fun with gold and silver. :-)
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Crystal is a gbc game so you don't need a ds for that.
 
I assume he ment DIAMOND and pearl.

dont worry though, lots of us on here are "too old" to play pokemon, im sure youll make some good friends on here who might live close to you.....

besides, with the WIFI on diamond/pearl/plat you can battle/trade with people all over the globe!
 
yeah I meant diamond, not crystal. sorry.
but now i'm curious... you told me that many of you are "old" to play pokemon... well, I'll tell you my age then:

I'm 29.

Not bad, uh? :-)
 
Also check the Day-care people don't erase moves; new moves take priority over learned moves so watch out.

That's happened to me. >.<
 
The effort values have been around since RBY, it's just that they weren't capped (so theoretically you could get a Pokémon with a 999 Speed stat just from beating so many Jolteon), and it's not really that hard. I mean, most websites have everything you need to know (Bulbapedia again, cough) and so all you need to do is figure out your strategy.
 
Also stats rolled over past 999, so a Marowak with Thick Club using multiple Swords Dances will not surpass 999, but instead have the excess roll over starting from 1.
 
i didn't know evs where there since rby, wow. anyway the thing I mean when i say it's getting annoying and complicated is that... well it takes a lot to level up.. and ... if you need more time, more pokeballs, and so on, to find the right pokemon in advance... because it has to have the right nature (not in GSC!) and maybe the right hidden power with a decent attack (because if you get the hidden power you want but with minimal attack then it's worthless)... well it's frustrating! And if you also have to breed... just creating a scyter w. bug introforce and baton pass takes a lot.
And then you have to level it up!

There's a thing which confuses me a lot. Since RBY some people told you: get a pokemon with the LOWEST possible level, because when you level up by fighting your stats grow more than those for a wild pokemon (or if you use a rare candy).
On the other hand some other people tell you to capture pokemon with HIGH level, at leas 50, so you can safely check their "genetic code".
Now this is a contradiction. Either you need good stats but only for BREEDING those high level pokemons, and not for direct use in battle, or I missed something.
Also i would really like to understand whether growing up pokemons at the daycare or by using the lucky egg has some drawbacks (like rare candy has) or not... I always trade my pokemon AND give them lucky eggs to double exp speed...
 
i think the "catch at lowest leverl" vs "catch at 50" is all pretty reletive, EVs are gained dependent on which pokemon you fight. so a pokemon that started its training at 1 and was trained against wild pokemon til level 40, would probally be stronger than the same species that was caught fresh at level 40. the trained pokemon would have gained EVs from its fights, the wild pokemon would not.......
on the other hand, if we then train the tame level 40 and the wild level 40 all the way to level 80, then they should even out in power. seeing as total EV gain is now capped eventually the "wild" pokemon should catch up with your orriginal trained one.

EDIT: sorry, forgot to say, i hope this doesnt confuse you more!

of course it depends what your training on. you'd need to be training against the right things i remeber whn i first started training evs in gsc, and didnt realise that it was capped. oh what folly it was to try and train a physical attacking espeon T_T
 
hmmm, it took some time, but I found some other infos and maybe now I have a clearer idea.

I learned that a wild pokemon or a pokemon raised at the daycare does not have (or learns) EVs. However he can learn them later, by fighting. This is as you wrote.
The only drawback *would* be that EVs are updated when the pokemon levels up, so if you get to lvl 100 without having enough EVs on a stat (and you have already used vitamins) it seems like that your pokemon will not attain its maximum stats!

But actually this is not true, or possibly it was true only in RBY, where raising only low level pokemon was strongly suggested (afaIk).
In fact, I read that, at least since GSC, EVs are also updated when you store your pokemon on your PC box!!! So even a lvl 100 pokemon can have its EVs updated. Thus, there's no reason to train a low lvl pokemon, unless you want a breeded one or you want some attack which is forgotten when the pokemon grows up.
 
However, in More recent Games, (Gen III onward) they did an overhaul on the games data system. And pokemon at LV 100 in Gen III can't gain Evs, however, pokemon at Lv 99 could, and get updated by depositing then withdrawing from pc. Just something to keep in mind if you do make your way to Emerald.
 
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