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A rebuttal to common complaints about the new Pokémon

FabuVinny

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Every time a new Pokémon is released, we hear the same stock complaints over and over again and Zoroark's reveal makes it look like nothing will change for Gen V.

It is possible to genuinely not like a new Pokémon, especially before you've seen all it can offer. But if you are going to pull out the following common statements for every reveal you should really consider my rebuttals:

"Game Freak are uncreative"

Creativity is about coming up with new concepts. The range of new Pokémon leaves little case to claim that Game Freak are just copying the old. I'm sure you could name a few examples, such as the Wurmple line being the Hoenn version of the Caterpie and Weedle lines. But even then an interesting diverging evolution and different character designs show a clear level of creativity.

And the most uncreative generation? Honestly, I'd have to say it was the first one. A lack of creativity with the type combinations (all but one of the Grass Pokémon are part Poison) or just plain uncreative evolution character designs (Electrode and Poliwrath) are the franchise's biggest offenses on this count.

"Game Freak are running out of ideas"

For some bizarre reason this tends to thrown at the more unique concepts rather than the previous claim. News Flash: Any concept Game Freak uses is one less idea but that doesn't mean they can't pull out plenty more when the next generation comes around.

The most recent victim of this claim is the titles of the new games: Black and White are contrasting colours that they haven't used before. Next time they could stick with the colour palette, go back to metals or jewels or go another way again. They definately aren't in any risk of running out of ideas there.

Similarly with the Pokémon, you'd be surprised how much under the sun there is to base new monsters on. Including the sun.

"It looks like a Digimon"

Certainly, certain Pokémon have a resemblance to a Digimon. The only one I know where the Digimon came first is Claydol and Shakkoumon - both being based on a specific type of Japanese clay figurines. There are many similarities with other media that come from similar influences.

But this claim tends to be a more general observation in that a new Pokémon looks like it belongs in Digimon rather than this series. In which case, a question must be asked: What is the difference between what "looks like a Pokémon" and what "looks like a Digimon"? Seriously, I would love to hear an answer. My only guess is that people find think the new Pokémon are too cool for us.

"The old Pokémon were better"

I guess you can't do anything about nostalgia. Objectively, there is a huge range across the four generations so there should be something for everyone in there. (And if you really don't like a few, that's possible too. I simply find it hard to believe that everything after #151 is terrible.)
 
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I agree with everything said, except the uncreative gen 1 bit. I'd even say that was creative because the charm of gen 1 was how similar the pokemon were. That is an angle a lot of pokemon don't have now, so perhaps it has reached the point where it's pure genius.

Anyways, Black and White, being total opposites, leaves so much opportunity out there and I don't think people realize that. Pure opposites. Push and pull, sun and moon, day and night, land and sea, yin and yang. There is so much potential when you bring true opposites together and pokemon has excelled at that.

Also, the names are classic, very old-school. I'm beginning to think any person who complains about the names being bland must be new to the franchise and not a veteran of the last 14 years, because the first games ever were Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green, which some of you have claimed as superior to the current generations.
 
Oh, man. There was another thread where I wrote up what I viewed as the main difference between the designs of Pokémon and Digimon (the gist: Pokémon are designed to be simple and iconic, Digimon are designed to be complex and cool/Pokémon are created, Digimon are churned out *cough*BlackEmperorToyMagnaSeaAgumon*cough*), but I lost it when my browser crashed.

Trust me, though. Shit was epic.
 
Best thread in this section.

I agree with all the points made, and have argued them on various occasions. It's like every time something new is revealed a "reset button" is pressed in the fandom and we see the same tired claims dusted off and reused. Ironic, considering how 90 percent of these claims are about creativity and originality.
 
Not like anyone who needs to see this will listen. It's preaching to a brick wall.
 
Re: A rebuttal your rebuttal of his rebuttal

Oh, man. There was another thread where I wrote up what I viewed as the main difference between the designs of Pokémon and Digimon (the gist: Pokémon are designed to be simple and iconic, Digimon are designed to be complex and cool/Pokémon are created, Digimon are churned out *cough*BlackEmperorToyMagnaSeaAgumon*cough*), but I lost it when my browser crashed.

Trust me, though. Shit was epic.

I do not connect. I fail to see how making something cool and complex cannot be iconic. Except for maybe the churned out part. Still, with 493+ pokémon, one could argue that pokémon are churned out, while digimon are created.

I am not a digimon fan myself, but if some Pokémon resembled digimon's styles, I may like those pokémon more than overs.

Plus, pokémon can be complex in their simplicity. :naughty:
 
Ah, a smart thread. This is completly true. It does seem like the fans kinda recycle old complaints.
 
I never got the whole gamefreak is uncreative argument. I mean, have those guys honestly tried to design pokemon instead of bashing gf? Comming up with the design is hard on its own, then making an evolutionary line...don't get me started.
 
I never got the whole gamefreak is uncreative argument. I mean, have those guys honestly tried to design pokemon instead of bashing gf? Comming up with the design is hard on its own, then making an evolutionary line...don't get me started.
They usually have worse ideas. Especially when they bash English names >_>

The difference between Pokemon and Digimon is that they've geared away from having unnatural looking attachments like cannons and swords. When Pokemon do have weaponry, its more integrated into their bodies. If anything Gen I was more similar to Digimon in that respect. Pokemon also have set evolutionary lines and don't have shit like PyroMetalCharizard. They complain about Pokemon having similar designs, have they seen what things like Digimon and Monster Rancher did?
 
I do not connect. I fail to see how making something cool and complex cannot be iconic. Except for maybe the churned out part. Still, with 493+ pokémon, one could argue that pokémon are churned out, while digimon are created.

I am not a digimon fan myself, but if some Pokémon resembled digimon's styles, I may like those pokémon more than overs.

Plus, pokémon can be complex in their simplicity. :naughty:


I'm not talking about the end result, I'm talking about the mentality behind their design, i.e., what the artists are/were going for when they put pencil to page/tablet. So sure, a digimon can be iconic, but it seems like the reaction they were going for was "Oh, this is cool!" and not "Oh, this is a Digimon!" whereas most pokemon seem to come from a desire to evoke, "Oh, this is a Pokémon!" even from people familiar only with the brand.
 
I agree with everything you said (apart from that thing about Poliwrath - I like Poliwrath.)
 
I agree with the OP roughly 90%. (The remaining 10% is me thinking it was posted too early, considering we may not see new Pokémon for a few weeks at least.)
 
What it all boils down to is that it's another way of saying they hate it for no good reason, and they pull an excuse out their butt. As for Digimon, the distinct thing I notice from them is that they seem to get more detail. Granted, a lot of pokemon can be just as detailed, but Digimon just has a feel to it more like they were trying to make real monsters. There are tons of them by now. I think the count was over 1000 stated by one site. We are approaching half of that, and indeed there are a lot of digis that are merely recolors of others, or even redesigns of previous ones (you can still tell it's them). Pokemon never did that, and as much as they like to make more than one poke based on a single creature, they are at least distinctly different. To me, this argument is very old by now, but it's all a matter of opinion which design method you prefer. A lot of Digimon's designs are cool, but pokemon can do the same. I hold no preference, except that I lost interest in Digimon ages ago, and to me, it's been dead so long that all comparison is moot by now. (Yes, I know it still continues, but I could care less)
 
I'm not talking about the end result, I'm talking about the mentality behind their design, i.e., what the artists are/were going for when they put pencil to page/tablet. So sure, a digimon can be iconic, but it seems like the reaction they were going for was "Oh, this is cool!" and not "Oh, this is a Digimon!" whereas most pokemon seem to come from a desire to evoke, "Oh, this is a Pokémon!" even from people familiar only with the brand.

Ah, now I get where you're coming from. Still, I think that both coolness and the meaning should come into play when designing a pokemon.

Speaking of designing pokémon, does Tajiri come up with the pokemon and Sugimori draws them, does GameFreak come up with them, pass it by Tajiri and once approved give it to sugimori to draw, Gamefreak comes up with them and give it to sugimori to draw, or does sugimori just draw them, and GameFreak and Tajiri approve them.
 
Thank you! I seriously hate how people say that ALL the original 151 were super creative. Seel is a Seal. Caterpie is a Caterpillar. Pidgey is a pigeon. Psyduck is a duck.

I mean there's Snorlax, Dragonite, Ditto, Exeggutor and others, but acting like they were all creative genius and stuff like Blaziken and Torterra mean GAMEFREAK IS RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS MAN, then I'd hate to see their imagination.
 
This is nice, but just like the other threads like this but with different titles, the people this is directed to won't either: a) Read it, b)Bother to click the thread, or c)Won't give a damn. So while this is nice and informative, its results are going to be like it's predecessors. So just ignore comments that bash new generations and so forth.
 
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