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A thought about the Pokédex

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Everything that shows Victini makes a really big deal about it's number.
We've had it confirmed that no 'Japanese' Pokemon appear until after Isshu's main story is completed.
Isshu is a totally new area.
Orre'azona' hasn't been mentioned and like Poketopia, has no indication it's not 'Japan'.

'Japan's' national dex is ordered by how the games were released, which makes some sense. One would assume it's
Region>Starters
_______Mons in order of discovery
_______Mons not confirmed to exist or excessively rare(Legendary and Psudo Legend)

Then regions are ordered by where discovery started. Hence why Regional dexs contain 'old' pokemon, but the national are not in evolution order because of the way they were discovered.

Isshu and 'Japan' sound as if they have no connection. They mention 'Far away' a lot. There would be no way, outside of a Meta reason, to have an 'international' pokedex in the same order it's in now. So, my theory?

Isshu dex is the main catagory. It will expand to cater to 'Cross Gen Mons' introduced in Gen 5, assuming Mamabo is and there are any others. 'Japanese' Monsters will have a seperate section, much like 'Regional' and 'National', a 'Japanese Pokemon Index' setting as it were.

This way Victini IS 000, Smugleaf IS 001 and so on. Junichi and co are making a big deal about this being Red and Green all over again. There is a lot of pushing of Victini and it's 000 Isshudex designation, and if my theory is correct, the new country's national dex.

Saying this, it would leave the path open, and not only open but the gate smashed, for remakes of any of the 4 'Japanese' games, as they would be the only way to access 'Japanese' monsters after Gen 4 has gone.

As for the idea of an 'International' Pokedex, it will do one of three things if it happens

1) Pokemon were discovered in Japan first, Victini is either at the end or is 494. His importance in Gen 5 is superficial in the grand scheme of things.

2) Victini is 000, and the Region>Discovery order the National dex is currently in is thrown out the window.

3) We get a totally new index numbering system.

Just some thoughts I wanted to share.

-Some Gamer Dude
 
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Victini being 000, combined with it being lv.15 when you catch it, makes me think that it will be about mid-way through the story. So it was probably placed as 000 to avoid a HUGE gap between the top and bottom of the Pokédex.

I hope the National Dex just remains the way it is. No reason why it shouldn't.
 
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That's an interesting observation, but personally I think Isshu will just have its own regional Pokedex. A revamped Pokedex would, however, solve the problem of having Smugleaf come directly affter Arceus, creator the Universe. But it would be a bit unfair if Bulbasaur were stripped of his title as #001. Sometimes I wonder if they should just scrap the Pokedex numbering entirely; we don't number real-life animals like that, do we? Or maybe the National Pokedex should be left as it is, but the Isshu Pokemon remain in their own listing instead of being added to the National Pokedex.
 
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Well, if they're based off of different parts of different nations, then why not have different national dexes? If they have, say, 5 gens in China/USA/wherever you think Isshu is, then then the "Japanese dex" would have 493, and the the other dex would have 493ish. Then they could move to a different country, and start the process all over again.
 
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Well I hope every game after Black and White will be a direct sequel to them so we can finally have a new National-Dex order which has all starters at the beginning and legendaries at the end etc.

And the sequel thing is because when(if) a new gen comes, the National-Dex gets updated because new Pokemon were discovered.

:p
 
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I think that Victini being at #000 is just to fill that MissingNo gap that we've exploited ever since Red/Blue.

Putting Tsutarja after Arceus is just like putting Turtwig after Deoxys. It's a quirk of the NatDex System and not something to stress about. The NatDex in my opnion was just a list of all the pokemon discovered, and organised via region. Previous regions were left in their original numbering, which created the oddities of baby pokemon being after thie evolved forms, among other things.

Even if Isshu is an entirely new region, that still doesn't invalidate the old NatDex. We don't ignore African animals (elephants, zebra) while we live in America, for example. So if Isshu is 'Britain' to Johto/Sinnoh/Kanto/Hoenn's 'Japan', it's still likely we'll see the NatDex, or the equivalent IntNatDex (InterNational Dex).
 
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Alright but how will all this work with the "make any pokemon appear" code for action replay you need pokedex numbers for that lol
 
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It's probably just so they don't give away how many new pokemon there are.
 
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-Ryuutakeshi- said:
It's probably just so they don't give away how many new pokemon there are.
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Victini? The simple solution would've been not to show its profile in the PokeDex at all. And needless to say, GameFreak doesn't make its games while keeping in mind how Nintendo will advertise it.
 
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then you give me some logical reasoning for why this particular legendary deserved to be #000. Cause that's the best I got.
 
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-Ryuutakeshi- said:
then you give me some logical reasoning for why this particular legendary deserved to be #000.
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It's safe to say we won't know until the game is leaked. I can't figure out why GameFreak decided to assign that particular number to Victini and I won't try to, because the chances of me being right are slim to none. I also don't know why such a number wasn't assigned to a Pokemon like Arceus or Mew, which would feel more appropriate. All I can say is there must be a good reason.
 
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The question is whether or not Isshu is even supposed to be another country. Sure, it's probably based on a different country from the rest, but we don't know if the games consider it a different country. If that is the case, here's what I see happening:

1. Black and White will start with the Isshu Dex, which will be upgraded to the International Dex after the E4.
2. The International Dex will most likely just be a re-branded National Dex with Isshu Pokémon slapped on the end.
3. If the sixth generation games feature a region in the same nation as Isshu, those games will include a regional Pokédex, which will be upgraded to a NEW "National Dex" combining Gen V and VI's regional dexes, along with adding the new Pokémon to the end of the International Dex.

Now, the problem here is that we only know of one nation in the Pokémon world, which we refer to as "THE Pokémon Nation". If Isshu is indeed a separate country, will we get a name for this new nation? If not, how would we differentiate between the Gen IV National Dex and the Gen VI National Dex (assuming Gen VI is even in the same nation as Gen V)?

As complicated as it makes things, I'm hoping my predictions are true and that we get official names for the Japan-based "Pokémon Nation" and this new nation that Isshu is in. It would make it more like the real word with multiple countries composed of smaller territories. The only accomodation we'd have to make is getting used to the concept of an International Dex while keeping track of the multiple National Dexes. I think this is an intriguing idea that I really hope they go trough with.

As for Victini, I'm not sure what they plan on doing with it. My guess would be that it keeps its number in the new National Dex but becomes #494 in the International Dex (or National Dex if Isshu is in the same nation). I really can't imagine them sticking all the Isshu Pokémon at the end of the National Dex and putting Victini as #000.
 
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It being the "Mew" of the region, it will obviously have a good back story and origin, which will reveal why it's #000.
 
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Well you need a wifi event thing called liberty ticket i belive in order to catch it or maybe it is an in game item but you need the liberty tivket in order to see #000
 
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Yeah, we know.

Anyways, it's pretty obvious this is a different country. So it's going to be a different nat dex.
 
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-Ryuutakeshi- said:
Yeah, we know.

Anyways, it's pretty obvious this is a different country. So it's going to be a different nat dex.
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So, wait.

You're saying that the National Dex as we know it, will totally be revised?

They could just add on to the current one, and change National to International Dex?
 
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♥告げ口心臓♥ said:
The question is whether or not Isshu is even supposed to be another country. Sure, it's probably based on a different country from the rest, but we don't know if the games consider it a different country. If that is the case, here's what I see happening:
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I would be quite impressed if they fabricated such amazing world-building skills like the ones your post details. Showing us effort like that makes for good indication of how serious the games and universe of Pokemon are to them.
 
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
 
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