About Team Rocket.....

[Dawn_Hikari16]

Sorry if someone's mentioned this before but I feel that it isn't necessary for Team Rocket to be the main villains in the show. After Generation 2 (or the end of the Johto seasons) they should of realized they can't win and gave up. Then for Generation 3 they should of had Team Aqua and Team Magma as the main villains just like in the games. Same goes for Generation 4 and Team Galactic.

In the games, Team Rocket don't follow you around every region so why do they follow Ash around every region in the show? I know that TR is pretty popular and that their comic relief but I just think that anime should of focused more on the other villianous teams. What do you think?

 

[Cybersai]

Well, Jessie, James and Meowth are three of the most popular characters of the series. The writers themselves seem to love them, hence why they kept them for the entire series.

I think the point is if they were replaced, whoever replaced them would turn into the same bumbling jokes who get blasted off by Pikachu in every episode.

We've already seen Butch and Cassidy turn into jokes as the show went on, remember how these two were actually a serious threat in their first two or three appearances? Now they're sad jokes.

 

[F-22]

Honestly, though, I prefer Team Rocket as a whole over these stupid environmental wacko cult groups that they have a habit of putting into the games nowadays.

 

[Cybersai]

Not to mention I can't imagine Galactic grunts blasting off in every episode. lol.

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

Sorry if someone's mentioned this before but I feel that it isn't necessary for Team Rocket to be the main villains in the show. After Generation 2 (or the end of the Johto seasons) they should of realized they can't win and gave up. Then for Generation 3 they should of had Team Aqua and Team Magma as the main villains just like in the games. Same goes for Generation 4 and Team Galactic.

In the games, Team Rocket don't follow you around every region so why do they follow Ash around every region in the show? I know that TR is pretty popular and that their comic relief but I just think that anime should of focused more on the other villianous teams. What do you think?

It'd actually be really awesome to see interchanging villians. Or simply a greater plot with them. Either villians that actually get away with some things, a crime that lasts throughout several episodes (or over the course of several ones in the background or something). It'd just be pretty cool to see some change of dynamics. I'm actually pretty glad they had Jessie win some contests because I'd like to see them succeed at something. So long as they're productive and not just used to run up 20 minutes.

But given how they are, I don't mind really, they're actually really funny at times.

 

[The Outrage]

Sorry if someone's mentioned this before but I feel that it isn't necessary for Team Rocket to be the main villains in the show. After Generation 2 (or the end of the Johto seasons) they should of realized they can't win and gave up. Then for Generation 3 they should of had Team Aqua and Team Magma as the main villains just like in the games. Same goes for Generation 4 and Team Galactic.

In the games, Team Rocket don't follow you around every region so why do they follow Ash around every region in the show? I know that TR is pretty popular and that their comic relief but I just think that anime should of focused more on the other villianous teams. What do you think?

Team Rocket has no bracnh in Sinnoh or Hoenn, and Jessie, James and Meoth are only still following the twerps because it is in their character. They will never stop.

Besides, when has Team Rocket ever been the "main villain" persay? What would you rather Aqua, Magma and Galactic do, have three of their most incompetant grunts follow Ash and co. because somehow they are impressed by his Pikachu? No one else has the inscentive to do that except JJ&M.

Honestly, the way you refer to them is as if JJ&M are the only members. Giovanni just has them following the twerps so they don't get in the way of his important plans.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Team Rocket has no bracnh in Sinnoh or Hoenn, and Jessie, James and Meoth are only still following the twerps because it is in their character. They will never stop.

Well... Maybe Hoenn didn't have a branch [at the time, anyways, considering how they filed a report, as well as that tidbit in the 9th movie opening...], Sinnoh, not too certain. I mean, Galactic seemed to know about JJM at least [even going as far as to hire them to try and steal the Adamant orb], meaning that they have good relations. Plus, BC even appearing in Sinnoh seemed to indicate that they might have a Branch [either that, or Giovanni sent them to conquer Sinnoh as well {I'm pretty certain that Giovanni seemed to tell them to establish something in Sinnoh.}.].

Besides, when has Team Rocket ever been the "main villain" persay? What would you rather Aqua, Magma and Galactic do, have three of their most incompetant grunts follow Ash and co. because somehow they are impressed by his Pikachu? No one else has the inscentive to do that except JJ&M.

Unless, of course this team also believes it to unlock certain pokemon (Hey, Pikachu was able to control Groudon...)

Honestly, the way you refer to them is as if JJ&M are the only members. Giovanni just has them following the twerps so they don't get in the way of his important plans.

Well, he also kinda hints that he also trusts them to take over regions (His orders to JJM in Hoenn, their report, as well as his "telling" JJM to get Sinnoh seem to imply that.)

 

[Lethal Carnivine]

Trusts them????? Heh, every time Giovaani gives an order to JJM, it always seems to eb in an exasperated tone. As, if he has something much better to do, and throwing generic 'Set up base, conquer this region' shit.

With the Sinnoh thing, he did not even know who they were. He had a bout of amnesia and kept it so.....doesn't mean trust.

Personally, as others said, JJM to me keep the spice in the show. Without it we'd have boring hero characters. Not to mention, it is hard to imagine near cult like teams blasting off.

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

Honestly, the way you refer to them is as if JJ&M are the only members. Giovanni just has them following the twerps so they don't get in the way of his important plans.

Actually I don't think Giovanni has them doing anything. In one episode he stated that he keeps them around only to repay his debt. He's generally completely unaware of their whereabouts unless they actually call him. Following Ash and the gang is something they've taken upon themselves, not an actual assignment. He had no idea they were in Sinnoh.

Well... Maybe Hoenn didn't have a branch [at the time, anyways, considering how they filed a report, as well as that tidbit in the 9th movie opening...], Sinnoh, not too certain. I mean, Galactic seemed to know about JJM at least [even going as far as to hire them to try and steal the Adamant orb], meaning that they have good relations. Plus, BC even appearing in Sinnoh seemed to indicate that they might have a Branch [either that, or Giovanni sent them to conquer Sinnoh as well {I'm pretty certain that Giovanni seemed to tell them to establish something in Sinnoh.}.].

Based on Giovanni's reaction to their presence in Sinnoh, they don't have members set up there. At least not originally. In the Yenma episode, he asked if they had a group set up there, and I don't remember what the guy's response was, but his very questioning basically said no. Of course, Butch and Cassidie later appeared in Sinnoh (if I recall? I think it was later), so that may've changed.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Actually I don't think Giovanni has them doing anything. In one episode he stated that he keeps them around only to repay his debt. He's generally completely unaware of their whereabouts unless they actually call him. Following Ash and the gang is something they've taken upon themselves, not an actual assignment. He had no idea they were in Sinnoh.

Well, I know it was hinted in Season 1, at least, that Giovanni also want's Pikachu [the St. Anne thing, remember?], Perhaps they are still trying to complete that objective?

Based on Giovanni's reaction to their presence in Sinnoh, they don't have members set up there. At least not originally. In the Yenma episode, he asked if they had a group set up there, and I don't remember what the guy's response was, but his very questioning basically said no. Of course, Butch and Cassidie later appeared in Sinnoh (if I recall? I think it was later), so that may've changed.

Actually, the Butch and Cassidy episode was approximately 15 episodes prior to the Yanmega episode. (also, if you want to get technical, they were referenced even before that, approximately 44 episodes prior to Yanmega, albeit as one of the suspects listed by Ash, Brock, and Dawn [though, unless I'm mistaken, which I most likely am, how Dawn would know about BC when she didn't even know about JJM when she met them I have no idea.].).

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

Well, I know it was hinted in Season 1, at least, that Giovanni also want's Pikachu [the St. Anne thing, remember?], Perhaps they are still trying to complete that objective?



Actually, the Butch and Cassidy episode was approximately 15 episodes prior to the Yanmega episode. (also, if you want to get technical, they were referenced even before that, approximately 44 episodes prior to Yanmega, albeit as one of the suspects listed by Ash, Brock, and Dawn [though, unless I'm mistaken, which I most likely am, how Dawn would know about BC when she didn't even know about JJM when she met them I have no idea.].).

Oh okay, I honestly couldn't believe where that crap ep fit in. I know that it had to do with Shieldon or the Hippo Pokemon or something due to the sand location but I remember little about it. In that case then I don't think they have an official base set up in Sinnoh, based on Giovanni's conversation. They might have the occassional members, which could actually contradict that thought, but I don't think they have an entire squad based there.

 

[ShadowDeeps]

I tend to disagree with the general consensus that Jessie, James, and Meowth are useless and ineffectual (that has been shored about for some time now). While that trio may be banal and trite I think what they do depends upon justifications and with characterization as morally ambiguous as their own I think it's a nice touch on many facets to the series, even if they tend to serve the role of "in jest relief" and not much more. If anything else, that they're alone and so obstinate whilst being both compassionate toward one another yet malevolent towards everyone else (pilfering Pokémon and what not, yet still showing deep wont for their own Pokémon) is why I see them as admirable. To me, that means to be great is to be alone. And I like that they prize appearance so much - to them, it seems like the appearance is of more pertinence than the personality. And as a trio they may have their flubs but that's what makes their persona work so well as their characters bounce off one another's.

I just want the writers to give them more opportunity and breathing space as characters, something that probably won't bear fruit. Oh, and as for Cassidy and Butch (and hence Dr. Namba).... I do think they were initially meant to be more earnest than Jessie, James, and Meowth but I could be wrong. That's the immediate impression I was of, anyway. I do see Team Rocket as a serious organization outside of the aforementioned, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of the organization or Jessie, James, and Meowth.

 

[Rhyperior]

Well, I think in the opposite way. Because of the existence of JJM. The show should be more focused about TR and the new audience needs to know more about TR and Giovanni. Since Butch and Cassidy are also in Sinnoh, I think that it's possible that TR will compete with TG. And their theme was similar. One is to conquer the world and the other is to conquer to universe. And it's a shame that they didn't have any eps about TR and Mewtwo while there was many about Groudon, Kyogre , TM and TA. Apart form Mewtwo, I'm sure that Giovanni would also like to control other legendaries and it seems to be neglected that JJM mission is actually to build a branch in Sinnoh for TR. Giovanni should be planning to do something to Sinnoh.

 

[Luxio2k8]

I can understand that some think it's time for a change, but when villians like Hunter J and Team Galactic show up it counts for something.

Jessie, James, and Meowth are there all the time because they are the comedy villains. If they left you just likely have bad clone copies doing the same thing and I rather it be the originals if you're going to have someone playing the role.

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

Well, I think in the opposite way. Because of the existence of JJM. The show should be more focused about TR and the new audience needs to know more about TR and Giovanni. Since Butch and Cassidy are also in Sinnoh, I think that it's possible that TR will compete with TG. And their theme was similar. One is to conquer the world and the other is to conquer to universe. And it's a shame that they didn't have any eps about TR and Mewtwo while there was many about Groudon, Kyogre , TM and TA. Apart form Mewtwo, I'm sure that Giovanni would also like to control other legendaries and it seems to be neglected that JJM mission is actually to build a branch in Sinnoh for TR. Giovanni should be planning to do something to Sinnoh.

I never really thought about that. You raise very excellent points here.The sad thing is, the newer fans know little-to-nothing about the serious threat or dangerous that the Team Rocket organization (not just these three) is. I'd hate for the show to reach a point in which Ash and co take down TR, and the newer fans are left massively confused about it all because they're so used to seeing the little trio that makes us laugh through their unfortunate failures all the time. That'd really suck.

 

[Rhyperior]

Agree. This will lead to misunderstanding to the new fans that TR is a gag evil organization. I hate the writers way to make TA, TM and TG serious while portray TR as a gag. The writers can have fights between TR and TG like what they did to TA and TM. Giving TR more actual screentime wouldn't shorten the screentime of TG. In Hoenn there is a ep featuring the secret basement of TR and their plans to enlarge it, although it was easily destroyed by Oak and Birch. Now, in Sinnoh, the writers make them forget their mission.

 

[Brago]

anyway, in the anime, we know that the bad guys (TA, TM or TG) will NEVER win, so... what else?
(by the way, i prefer tough badasses like TG, than gags like TR)

 

[Rhyperior]

In fact, TR could be as tough as TG, only if Giovanni will send out a great number of elite grunts to Sinnoh rather than JJM and BC. With the ability to create Mewtwo, I don't think Team Rocket is a gag organization but a dangerous threat.

 

[Brago]

In fact, TR could be as tough as TG, only if Giovanni will send out a great number of elite grunts to Sinnoh rather than JJM and BC. With the ability to create Mewtwo, I don't think Team Rocket is a gag organization but a dangerous threat.

my mistake, i made a shrotcut between TR and JJM.
Well, concerning this season, the badasses seem good to me (TG, and overall hunter J)
It's been a while since JJM represented a serious threat... By the way, they only cared about pikachu whereas there were plenty of other strong pokemons all over the world...i didn't like that

 

[Rhyperior]

No, they usually catch the other strong Pokémon conveniently while at the same time catching Pikachu.