AIDS and Sins and Stuffs

[evkl]

Like the fact that he ruled that people with AIDS could be fired from any job because they have AIDS, because it's the right of an employer to discriminate on who they want.

As, you know, somebody who answers phones at a call-center could clearly spread AIDS everywhere simply via word of mouth.

 

[Mozz]

Like the fact that he ruled that people with AIDS could be fired from any job because they have AIDS, because it's the right of an employer to discriminate on who they want.

As, you know, somebody who answers phones at a call-center could clearly spread AIDS everywhere simply via word of mouth.

So you don't think having a communicable disease is a valid reason to deny someone employment?

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

So you don't think having a communicable disease is a valid reason to deny someone employment?

Unless he's banging everyone or sharing his unclean heroin needles with his coworkers, there's no reason to be afraid. He doesn't have leprosy.

However, if the employer doesn't want to have to pay health insurance for someone who has to spend a lot of money to stay alive, then I understand why they'd want to deny employment.

 

[Mozz]

I disagree. A communicable disease is a communicable disease. If I found out (via legal means) that a prospective hire had herpes, I would certainly hold it against them.

 

[Roses Ablaze]

Why? It's not like STDs are easily spread (if you're smart).

 

[The Big Al]

It's AIDS, not smallpox. I'd hardly call it communicable.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

I disagree. A communicable disease is a communicable disease. If I found out (via legal means) that a prospective hire had herpes, I would certainly hold it against them.

You can get herpes from casual contact with another person. Hardly comparable. Unless you are planning on having sex with them or shooting up together, there's absolutely no reason to believe you're putting yourself at danger by hiring them.

 

[Dagoth Ur]

So you don't think having a communicable disease is a valid reason to deny someone employment?

Many diseases are "communicable." The appropriate issue is whether it is highly contagious, would become so in the work environment, or prevents the worker from working.
Given that AIDS is not spread through the air or through casual contact, this is not a valid reason to fire somebody, unless the business 1) is a harem or porn studio, 2) handles blood, 3) deals with sharp objects or infectious agents.

 

[evkl]

^Exactly. And saying you wouldn't hire someone because they have cold sores is absolutely rediculous.

 

[Mozz]

^Exactly. And saying you wouldn't hire someone because they have cold sores is absolutely rediculous.

I love going to a McDonald's and being served by someone who has open sores. I'm sure the other employees would love working with that person too, since workers all exist in bubbles where they can't touch others.

 

[Mozz]

Many diseases are "communicable." The appropriate issue is whether it is highly contagious, would become so in the work environment, or prevents the worker from working.
Given that AIDS is not spread through the air or through casual contact, this is not a valid reason to fire somebody, unless the business 1) is a harem or porn studio, 2) handles blood, 3) deals with sharp objects or infectious agents.

Firing <> Not Hiring

 

[The Big Al]

I love going to a McDonald's and being served by someone who has open sores. I'm sure the other employees would love working with that person too, since workers all exist in bubbles where they can't touch others.

What McDonalds do you go to? When I worked at the one near my house, we were forced to have sores, cuts, ect. covered with bandages.

 

[Mozz]

What McDonalds do you go to? When I worked at the one near my house, we were forced to have sores, cuts, ect. covered with bandages.

It was a hypothetical. If I did the hiring for the foodhandlers at McDonald's, I would simply turn away anyone with open sores on their mouths. I should also be allowed to run a series of tests determining if they have diseases, etc.

 

[evkl]

And so if someone showed up with a bandage on their lip for said interview, would you ask them why?

 

[Mozz]

I don't think you're allowed to by law, which is a shame. If it was legally permissable, I would, absolutely.

 

[Dagoth Ur]

Firing <> Not Hiring

Since you're gonna dodge the issue (as usual), let me be more clear:
"Given that AIDS is not spread through the air or through casual contact, this is not a valid reason to fire or not hire somebody, unless the business 1) is a harem or porn studio, 2) handles blood, 3) deals with sharp objects or infectious agents."
Unless the job applicant is looks like he is about to drop dead, an employer without the reasons above should not go digging "via legal means" for information about diseases carried by job seekers.

And what's the deal with sores in mouths? If it's not grotesquely visible, I see no reason to discriminate on that, unless it's a profession where food is taste-tested. I don't think McDonald's employees sample their goods before selling it.

 

[evkl]

Nah. You can't do that--there's a chance that even with caution, someone could accidentally come into contact with an open sore and spread a bacterium or virus to the food. You've gotta keep all cuts covered.

 

[Mozz]

Since you're gonna dodge the issue (as usual), let me be more clear:
"Given that AIDS is not spread through the air or through casual contact, this is not a valid reason to fire or not hire somebody, unless the business 1) is a harem or porn studio, 2) handles blood, 3) deals with sharp objects or infectious agents."
Unless the job applicant is looks like he is about to drop dead, an employer without the reasons above should not go digging "via legal means" for information about diseases carried by job seekers.

And what's the deal with sores in mouths? If it's not grotesquely visible, I see no reason to discriminate on that, unless it's a profession where food is taste-tested. I don't think McDonald's employees sample their goods before selling it.

Don't give me the bullshit line that I dodge issues. I am, along with Damian and maybe one or two others, the most forward and non-avoidant person wrt debates.

Now then, I don't know if you've ever held a real job, but here are some simple ways communicable (not AIDS, just say, herpes or something simple) diseases can be transfered:

Keyboards
Coffee stations
water fountains
food handling
paper handling
doors
bathrooms

Simply put, bringing someone into your workplace who has a communicable disease endangers your entire staff. AIDS is bad not only for the social atmosphere but for the weak immune system, and thus the health insurance premium paid by the employer.

And I do have several friends that needed blood tests before getting accepted, and they don't work in foodservice.

 

[Zeta]

Keyboards
Coffee stations
water fountains
food handling
paper handling
doors
bathrooms

Wouldn't you have the potential to be exposed to it at any public place anywhere, then?

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

Don't give me the bullshit line that I dodge issues. I am, along with Damian and maybe one or two others, the most forward and non-avoidant person wrt debates.

Now then, I don't know if you've ever held a real job, but here are some simple ways communicable (not AIDS, just say, herpes or something simple) diseases can be transfered:

Keyboards
Coffee stations
water fountains
food handling
paper handling
doors
bathrooms

Simply put, bringing someone into your workplace who has a communicable disease endangers your entire staff. AIDS is bad not only for the social atmosphere but for the weak immune system, and thus the health insurance premium paid by the employer.

And I do have several friends that needed blood tests before getting accepted, and they don't work in foodservice.

There you go. Instead of going on some bullshit tangent that made you look like a dumbass, you could have just said the health costs of taking care of someone with AIDS is too huge for a business.