Anime Pokémon notability

[FabuVinny]

These articles seem to be an ongoing issue. It's a slippery slope: Ash's Pikachu obviously deserves an article but Paul's Ninjask certainly doesn't. So the question is where do we draw the line? We need a solid answer.

Right now, the biggest issue is Paul's Magmar. It might deserve an individual article in the future but right now it has only appeared in a flashback - that's less than his Azumarill (now a redirect by consensus).

Ash's Raticate is also questionable.

My personal take on notability is whether you can say enough about the subject of the article to expand the information out of the trainer's article and/or the anime section of the species article. Otherwise, that's what those are there for.

But let's come to some agreement on this.

 

[Theryguy512]

Well I think that both Paul's Magmar and Paul's Azumarill deserve articles. Ash's Raticate defiantly does since it was one of Ash's Pokemon, so it is important, even though it was only in one episode.

 

[Geodude]

Ash's Raticate defiantly does since it was one of Ash's Pokemon, so it is important, even though it was only in one episode.

Why the heck would you want to make an entire article about something that can easily be described in a single sentence?

 

[FabuVinny]

I think you could get a decent paragraph out of Ash's Raticate, but there are other articles that said paragraph would easily fit in - Raticate (Pokémon), Gentleman, EP015, or even Ash's Butterfree.

 

[Argy]

I agree with Geodude. "Ash's Raticate," "Paul's Magmar," etc. can easily be described in one or two sentences.

 

[Habunake]

But...but it's Magmar.

That alone should gurantee him a article with bright, flashing lights.

 

[Zhen Lin]

I think it's less a question of notability and more a question of what can be said. Concur with redirect.

 

[Lilac Hill]

I personally think that if it has either had a major role in an episode, or minor roles for 5 or more episodes, it deserves an article.

 

[PAK Man]

I agree that this issue needs to be addressed. I personally have deleted articles on Kay's Raichu and other completely innocuous Pokémon characters. Heck, we had somebody create an article on Kenny's Breloom before the darn episode even debuted! Remember the days when people used to wait until the episode aired before creating an article?

Having said that, I feel the following articles should be either deleted or redirected; Drew's Absol, Drew's Butterfree (seriously, why was this one even created?), Harley's Octillery, Harley's Wigglytuff, Jimmy's Beedrill, Kenny's Breloom, Little Miss, Paul's Gliscor, Paul's Magmar, Zoey's Shellos, Nero, Orville (yes, I'm aware I created both of those articles, but I see differently now), Santa's Delibird, Cheryl's Mothim, Wynaut (anime) and Hippopotas (anime).

 

[Theryguy512]

I agree that this issue needs to be addressed. I personally have deleted articles on Kay's Raichu and other completely innocuous Pokémon characters. Heck, we had somebody create an article on Kenny's Breloom before the darn episode even debuted! Remember the days when people used to wait until the episode aired before creating an article?

Having said that, I feel the following articles should be either deleted or redirected; Drew's Absol, Drew's Butterfree (seriously, why was this one even created?), Harley's Octillery, Harley's Wigglytuff, Jimmy's Beedrill, Kenny's Breloom, Little Miss, Paul's Gliscor, Paul's Magmar, Zoey's Shellos, Nero, Orville (yes, I'm aware I created both of those articles, but I see differently now), Santa's Delibird, Cheryl's Mothim, Wynaut (anime) and Hippopotas (anime).

Yes, but some of those Pokemon served minor/major roles for 3 episodes. I think that that should be the line.

 

[Theryguy512]

These articles seem to be an ongoing issue. It's a slippery slope: Ash's Pikachu obviously deserves an article but Paul's Ninjask certainly doesn't. So the question is where do we draw the line? We need a solid answer.

Right now, the biggest issue is Paul's Magmar. It might deserve an individual article in the future but right now it has only appeared in a flashback - that's less than his Azumarill (now a redirect by consensus).

Ash's Raticate is also questionable.

My personal take on notability is whether you can say enough about the subject of the article to expand the information out of the trainer's article and/or the anime section of the species article. Otherwise, that's what those are there for.

But let's come to some agreement on this.

Well if you do it like that, you could say that we should delete Ash's Gligar. But we won't, and why? Because it an ASH Pokemon, which is the same reasonwe should have Paul's Magmar and Azumarill, because their PAUL Pokemon.

 

[cassius335]

I dunno. Azumarill got one appearance and then was given away. Magmar we assume is going to stick around and become Magmortar.

By the "It's a Paul Pokemon" angle, should we have "Paul's Starly" "Paul's second Starly" and "Paul's third Starly" pages?

 

[Argy]

Ash is in every episode. Paul is in less than a quarter of them.

 

[Theryguy512]

Yea, but my point is that you're basically saying that ''if a Pokemon does not appear in 5 or more episodes, it doesn't need a page''. That's basically saying delete Ash's Gligar. But we won't, be cause it is ASH'S Pokemon. That's the same reason why Paul's Gliscor and Magmar need a page, since they're PAUL'S Pokemon and are expected to stick around.

 

[Lilac Hill]

I'm saying that if, in the future, they do not appear in any more episodes, which we can assume for some Pokémon, they do not need a page.

 

[PAK Man]

I posted more in-depth opinions of this on the talk page for Paul's Gliscor:

Personally, I feel this should not have been so hastily made into an article. For one thing, it's baseless speculation for now that Ash's Gligar will evolve into a Gliscor and have an epic battle with Paul's. Another thing is that Paul is a secondary character, not a primary character like Ash, Misty, Brock, Jessie, James, May, Tracey or Dawn. Those characters can get away with having an article about a minor Pokémon they had, since they've appeared in a majority of the episodes. Paul, on the other hand, is the equivalent of Gary. I don't see a page for every single one of Gary's Pokémon. The only pages we have for Gary's Pokémon are ones that are considered important (ie, Blastoise, his starter; Arcanine, one of the first Pokémon he was shown to have and one of the more prominent ones with at least three different appearances that I can think of; and Umbreon and Nidoqueen, both of which have been prominent in more than one appearance; however, I still feel that Gary's Dodrio [is] completely unnecessary, but that's another argument).

Do you see what I mean? Secondary characters such as Paul, Drew, Harley, Zoey, Kenny and Gary do not need an article about every single Pokémon they own. This article is included.

Yes, but some of those Pokemon served minor/major roles for 3 episodes. I think that that should be the line.

I personally feel prominence is more important than frequency. Gary's Blastoise has only appeared (I think) three or four times, but it's Gary's starter and primary Pokémon, which is why I feel it deserves an article. The same can't be said for Drew's Absol, which, while it did appear in the Grand Festival episodes, did nothing outside of that arc.

Another example would be Gary's Dodrio. In its first appearance as a Doduo, the only thing that happened was this; Gary said, "Hiya Doduo! Long time no see!" Ash scanned it with the Pokédex, and then it wasn't mentioned again until an episode of Pokémon Chronicles about four years later. And all it did then was help Gary out with Aerodactyl. That's not notable at all.

Even with Ash's Pokémon there's debate. Raticate I think should have its own article, however, I think Seaking should probably be redirected to his page. At least with Raticate, Ash (albeit unintentionally) sent it out to battle. Seaking he just caught, drove back to shore, and lost a contest with it.

This is why I support the gym leaders having an article about their primary Pokémon; because of their prominence (in particular, Lt. Surge's Raichu and Blaine's Magmar).

 

[lthiele]

I think there should be an article for every main character's pokemon, whether they played a major role or not.

 

[Theryguy512]

Another example would be Gary's Dodrio. In its first appearance as a Doduo, the only thing that happened was this; Gary said, "Hiya Doduo! Long time no see!" Ash scanned it with the Pokédex, and then it wasn't mentioned again until an episode of Pokémon Chronicles about four years later. And all it did then was help Gary out with Aerodactyl. That's not notable at all.

Even with Ash's Pokémon there's debate. Raticate I think should have its own article, however, I think Seaking should probably be redirected to his page. At least with Raticate, Ash (albeit unintentionally) sent it out to battle. Seaking he just caught, drove back to shore, and lost a contest with it.

Well for Ash's Seaking, he actually used it in a contest, and though he lost, he still used it. So though it had little air time, it should still deserve an article. As for Gary's Dodrio, it gave Ash's Pokedex data for Doduo, and then helped Gary in the Chronicles episode. Personally, I think that it deserves an article too.

 

[LynnCreed]

Would this post be considered grave-digging? Anyway, I had a suggestion for this problem:

Make a template for "trainers' pokemon" articles that has some agreed-upon sections in it (for example: was instrumental in ___ event or Story arc) that would require the pokemon to have a degree of importance in the show and/or movies. If the pokemon hasn't been important enough that all the sections can be filled out, then it automatically doesn't get its own article. That way only pokemon that should get their own article do.