Are the gens getting too lame?

[legendaries12]

3part concerning the different trends in appearance among the versions:

1. Some might find this sad, some might know where I am coming from, and some might be in complete agreement when i say: Before I knew much about Diamond and Pearl, i saw Empoleon and Infernape on a facebook and said: "wow, the new generation LEVEL 1 starting pokemon look awesome!" Then I go to Wikipedia, type in Infernape, and to my dismay, i see a preevolution, and then yet another.

The new gen pokemon keep on getting more and more small, cute, round, and with a nicer expression. I dont know how to upload the image, but chimchar doesnt compare with charmander, yet monferno looks like a perfect equivalent to charmander, and an undaunting infernape that stands at 5ft 3 in is supposed to compare with a large flying fire-dragon pokemon? Shouldnt the monkey (loosing all aspects of reality) evolve into a Gorilla pokemon?

Turtwig and Piplup i have the same problem with that i have with Chimchar (WTF is this?). And Prinplup and Grotle look like Squirtle and Bulbasaur except Prinplup looks a little taller, and Grotle and little larger but still looks a lot like a Bulbasuar. Empoleon and Torterra i think look like 2 1/2 stage pokemon (Infernape is only 2), their not as impressive as Blastoise and Venasaur. Empoleon is still just a penguin with armor, no noticable weapon, and torterra just looks frisbee-like, overweight, and incapable of dealing out an earthquake like Venasaur.

2. Please answer: Why did the creators have to make pre-evolutions of pokemon? I mean, is it not cooler for pokemon to evolve a third time? Are they trying to reach out to younger and younger kids? Igglybuff? Did Jigglypuff need to become more cute and puffy?

3. This is my least favorite part of the new games. Mew and Celebi are awesome because they are legendary pokemon that have way stronger bites than their bark(they look harmless, yet are incredibly powerful). I think people found this cool at first (like me) but the pokemon creators "overdid" it. I mean u replace the 3 legendary birds and dogs with those weird creatures with crazy hair? Wtf is Shaymin? Manaphy and Phione? At least 3rd gen they didnt mess things up in this way (except for Jirachi) but the legendaries in that game just dont look very cool. (except for rayquaza of course who looks awesome)

 

[legendaries12]

Btw. If it helps in discussion,

For Pearl i chose Piplup. (breaking my tradition of choosing the fire pokemon as a starter.) I thought Empoleon was the coolest, then Torterra, and i thought Infernape looked weak.

For Ruby i chose Fire, but in truth, that was sort of dumb because fire and grass looked retarded. Mudkip was cool, but its evolutions a little lame.

Gold- Fire

Blue- Fire

 

[Hagane_Gir]

What you seem to semi-understand is that everyone is entitled to their own opinions of each Pokemon. I, for one, don't use many Baby Pokemon but I still think they're an interesting concept (or were in Gen 2) and like to catch them. I also think Grotle is awesome, as with Prinplup, and I couldn't care less if Charmander looks 'cooler' than Chimchar, I just like them for some odd reason.
So as you might see my opinions contradict your own and you are going to get a lot of mixed opinions on this, some will agree with you, others won't. As such, I disagree that the new generations are getting 'lame' because I still like the starters and the baby Pokemon, as well as the plots, landscapes and everything else.

 

[The Outrage]

Sure we can have Infernape turn into a Gorilla Pokemon, but that would be so damn obvious that it would give all the Anti-Sinnoh people yet another empty arguement that can be easily countered.

I do like the fact that you are complaining about them being too cute whereas everyone else who have complained have gone around saying how ugly these guys are and how they no longer look like Pokemon because they aren't cute.

 

[odyeiop]

I think Blaziken is a pretty good pokemon...

I do agree that they probably didn't need to start adding pre-evolutions, but that was part of a whole game mechanic they added, breeding. It gave the game(s) something new to do for the players. As is adding a new evolution to some pokemon that didn't before. Pokemon that have to hold a specific item, know a specific move, be at a certain level of happiness/beauty/cool/tough/smart/cute etc, it's all just a new form of gameplay that they were tinkering with.

I'm sure that most people actually find these quite entertaining.

I'm not so sure I would compare Monferno to Charmander.. charmander is, in my opinion, the cutest starter to date =D. The original three were all pretty cute really, it's not just the newer ones.

We'll have to see what they have in store for next gen I guess =)

 

[lonepichu]

With the exception of Lickilicky and Heatran, I pretty much like all of the new Pokemon. To tell the truth, I don't think pokemon are getting any cuter than they were before, then again, thi is coming from the perosn who thinks Nincada is the cutest pokemon to date XD (besides Budew and Mudkip, of course)

Legendaries don't have to be all powerful. They have a purpose and that purpose is legendary. Not everything has to look tough and not everything has to be tough. You're entitiled to your own opinion, but I'm a pokemon supporter and I support what they do.

I don't think Chimchar's that cute. I think Charmander was cuter then Chimchar. Squirtle was very cute and Bulbasaur was just cool looking. I think the baby pokemon add depth to the series. You don't have to sue them for battling, but it added to the breeding aspect of the games. I like how they can be caught in the wild now which makes them seem more as the basic pokemon of the line rather than an added bonus.

I don't even see Budew as a baby pokemon but as a basic pokemon and Roselia as a stage 1 pokemon. Odd that.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, though ^_^

 

[Hoharu]

Sadly, I agree with you. My REAL problem though, is the introduction of too many "Unobtainables". In the first gen, there was ONE unobtainable, named Mew. Noone even knew it was programmed into the game. It was worth it to go to get the mythical pokemon that knew every TM.

Now, we have no less than 3 unobtainables, IN ONLY FOURTH GEN, the means are programmed into the game, and quite frankly, Arceus's multitype is the only thing that could possibly make him worth it.

 

[Habunake]

Prinplup looks like Squirtle?! 0.o

And you thought friggen Empoleon and Infernape were the base forms?

I sense major fail'd logic.

 

[lonepichu]

This is pokemon, not digimon. Pokemon starters tend to be small and cute, not big and BA.

The only problem with unobtainables is completeing a pokedex. I like all the unobtainables so far. I'm mor einto the elgend behind the pokemon then the power of it. I remember i didn't know about Mew until the movie came out. i never paid enough attention to the opener to guess what pokemon flew across the screen ^^; Plus i didn't really get into the anime until about a few months before the movie came out. I miss pokemon being in theaters.

Anyways, i think that Gen 4 actually did better Pokemon-wise than Gen 3 in some ways. Of course Gen 3 contained Nincada so it will forever be emblazened upon my heart (I don't know why I love nincadas so much...).

The only thing that sorta bugs me is how they made a lot of older pokemon evovle. Some of them needed evolutions, like male Ralts needed some manliness >.< other than male Gardeviors. But Mucho Grax (i know i didn't spell that right) nosepass evol wasn't really needed. *is rambling...*

 

[legendaries12]

I didnt mean Prinplup looked like Squirtle, i mean it can just as easily be an equivalent to Squirtle than it can to Wartortle. And i know the starters are supposed to appear small, but they over-exemplified it. Piplup has a large bulbous head with large eyes, where squirtle just looks like an interesting turtle creature that is pretty cool.

Chimchar has to have a stupid curl and large baby eyes. I think that Monferno looks like such a great equivalent to Charmander.

All im saying is they over-exemplified the pokemon to look stage 1, that now they look so much more defenseless then they did in generation 1. I mean Bulbasaur had a sprouting leaves on its back, turtwig has a little twig on its head. They just seemed to nerf the appearance of the Pokemon.

I think wat im really trying to say is that there is a cool aspect to Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur that doesnt make them so lame, unlike the little monkey, bulbous-headed penguin, and little happy turtle...

 

[Zeta]

"I want all Pokemon designs to cater to me and me alone! The fact that they don't means that Pokemon sucks and is lame now!"

 

[lonepichu]

Piplup looks like a Baby Penguin. Baby Penguins have bulbous heads.

I think that you're a first gen supporter and no matter what, we will never make you think any differantly. Personally, I support all gens. In fact, one of my least favorite pokemon, Poliwhirl, comes from Gen 1. I Hate Poliwhirl with a passion.

 

[The Outrage]

All im saying is they over-exemplified the pokemon to look stage 1, that now they look so much more defenseless then they did in generation 1. I mean Bulbasaur had a sprouting leaves on its back, turtwig has a little twig on its head. They just seemed to nerf the appearance of the Pokemon.

I had no idea that having leaves grow out of one's back makes you more of a threat than having twigs grow off of one's head. By the way, the thing on Blubasaur's back is a bulb.

Why shouldn't the basic form of a three stage pokemon look like a baby? God forbid that little babies turn out like monsters And Infernape's a Baboon, and last I checked baboons aren't particularly big. Infact that's why I like Infernape, the fact that it is small. You complain about all the extra cute and cuddley, yet powerful Legendaries getting too old, yet you complain when they try something new with a starter such as not making it's third stage so huge. There is no way to please people like you. People like you will always find something to complain about and think that everyone cares, trust me I've heard enough of this garbage during the release of DP in Japan and the revelations of english names.

 

[Toushiro]

Piplup looks like a Baby Penguin. Baby Penguins have bulbous heads.

I think that you're a first gen supporter and no matter what, we will never make you think any differantly. Personally, I support all gens. In fact, one of my least favorite pokemon, Poliwhirl, comes from Gen 1. I Hate Poliwhirl with a passion.

Seriously? Poliwhirl is okay in my book.

On topic, They are babies, so why not make them look it?

 

[lonepichu]

I had a stupid reason, really. I hated Ploiwhirl because it wa son all the merchandise everywhere and I could never figure out why. It's okay by me now, but I'll always remember it as one of my most hated pokemon when I first got into it ^^;

Piplup are proud, so I don't think that they would take kindly to your insults XD

 

[legendaries12]

Why shouldn't the basic form of a three stage pokemon look like a baby? God forbid that little babies turn out like monsters And Infernape's a Baboon, and last I checked baboons aren't particularly big. Infact that's why I like Infernape, the fact that it is small. You complain about all the extra cute and cuddley, yet powerful Legendaries getting too old, yet you complain when they try something new with a starter such as not making it's third stage so huge. There is no way to please people like you. People like you will always find something to complain about and think that everyone cares, trust me I've heard enough of this garbage during the release of DP in Japan and the revelations of english names.

First I was very pleased w/ the game, so... i guess you are one of those people that cringe at any criticism either because u strongly disagree or u were disappointed with the game and in denial.

Anyway I just dont understand why they try to appeal to a younger fan base by making the Pokemon look so damn cute and cuddly. I just thinking the game is slowly being destroyed at the expense of increasing profit.

And little babies do turn into monsters, but if i was 5 yrs old and wanted a game that was cute, then i would get one of those Tamagachi things or i would buy Nintendogs or w/e. U seem to be overly concerned with this aspect of the game because it is real (i.e. baby pokemon). Then why dont u buy a more real game. Whether u want to admit it or not, or maybe u just dont see it yet, Pokemon is becoming a game for kids 4,5 years old and becomming rediculous for older kids to play. I'm afraid it looses its RPG aspect and becomes a game where u just breed and raise pokemon, feeding them berries, giving them backrubs, making them love u, ect.

And i want u to realize, the starters looking less tough ect, was no coincidence, but a marketing technique. You can argue my opinion but u cant argue this fact.

 

[Habunake]

What? The main complaint of this gen I've heard were the Pokemon are more ugly?

And the Pokemon games have always had cute and cuddly ones.

WTF are you talking about?!

 

[legendaries12]

What? The main complaint of this gen I've heard were the Pokemon are more ugly?

And the Pokemon games have always had cute and cuddly ones.

WTF are you talking about?!

First, that being the main complaint does not invalidate my complaint nor that I do not agree w/ it. (i do agree they are odder looking, the ones that evolve from a round puff ball Pokemon, i.e. idk... cherubi)

And i did not deny that there are cute ones in 1 gen, im saying that they have as a whole become more cute. Im talking about the starters, and all other Pokemon as a whole. To pick a specific Pokemon is not advancing a point. But if u look at the games as whole, its sort of undeniable.

 

[The Outrage]

What? The main complaint of this gen I've heard were the Pokemon are more ugly?

And the Pokemon games have always had cute and cuddly ones.

WTF are you talking about?!

Exactly my point, if they aren't complaining about how ugly and digimon-ish Pokemon are looking, they are complaining about them being way too cute. This is why I have come to the conclusion that the fandom is full of retards. (I'm not calling you one threadstarter)

I'm afraid it looses its RPG aspect and becomes a game where u just breed and raise pokemon, feeding them berries, giving them backrubs, making them love u, ect.

Pokemon was always targeted for kids, and guess what, the kids they targeted in the begining grew up but still like the game. Pokemon barely had an RPG aspect, and your fear is unfounded. In the earlier gens, the game stoped the RPG aspect after you beat the elite 4, gens afterwards have tried to keep it going, either by adding Kanto, the Battle Frontier, or that crappy little island NE of Sinnoh. In the end after you beat the E4 and fiish their small sidequest, all that is left is breeding, raising and feeding berries. If you don't like it, then stop playing the game after the E4.

And i want u to realize, the starters looking less tough ect, was no coincidence, but a marketing technique. You can argue my opinion but u cant argue this fact.

Yet so many fans keep complaining about how ugly these starters were as well. You can argue my opinion, but you can't argue this fact.

 

[legendaries12]

When people say ugly, they don't mean unappealing as in beauty, i think wat they really mean is not interesting in any way. For example, Scyther is way more interesting then Buneary, but perhaps less appealing because it is a bug Pokemon (no one cares about ugly in this context and if they do they are weird because they are looking for attractive Pokemon). Its like comparing an awesome bug to a cute rabbit. To call the rabbit uglier isn't used improperly if used like i just said <--- is this wat u mean? The new Pokemon are ugly because there is less mythological aspects, less awesome concepts (unless u think a triple bee is awesome, btw i know i have an edge if i pick specific Pokemon to knock, but i dare someone to do that for gen 1 pokemon)