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Are the Mystery dungeon shorts the only eps not in continuity with the anime?

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Most people seem to agree that the 12 movies, Mewtwo Returns, Raikou, and all those 18 hoso specials take place in continuity with the main 570+ episode anime.

However they made two Mystery Dungeon shorts, are those not in continuity with the main anime?

Likewise I think the Pikachu shorts before the movies are also in continuity with the show, at least the first bunch, given they actually explained why they weren't with the group in "Pikachu's Summer vacation" and a few of the others.

So is Mystery dungeon not in continuity, in your opinion?
 
No way. I was considering making this very thread just a couple nights ago, but decided not to because it may have opened the can of "the movies aren't canon and I maintain this belief even though I have no reason to do so" worms.

As far as I'm concerned, the Mystery Dungeon specials take place in the anime universe's Mystery Dungeon dimension. Wait, huh? Well, you know how every Marvel Universe has its own version of a Negative Zone? I imagine that every or at least a few Pokémon universes have their own Mystery Dungeon counterpart. So the Squirtle and Piplup from the MD anime specials originate from the world that Ash, Pikachu and friends live on.

I do think some of the Pokémon shorts aren't canon. I consider the ANA shorts, those ANA-style shorts like those 3D movies that we don't seem to know much about, the Pichu Bros. shorts which feature Meowth (other than the original), and the Pikachu's Winter Vacation shorts non-canon. Maybe the fourth through sixth movie shorts too, since we don't see the twerps in those (although Jessie and James appear in the last one). I'm trying to think of a way for the twerps to allow their Pokémon to wander all over the place without supervision for days in Camp Pikachu, but I just can't think of anything. As for the first three, I like to think of them as canon, and maybe the fourth is too, since the Pokémon seem to be in some kind of daycare-like place.
 
Scott85 said:
Most people seem to agree that the 12 movies, Mewtwo Returns, Raikou, and all those 18 hoso specials take place in continuity with the main 570+ episode anime.

However they made two Mystery Dungeon shorts, are those not in continuity with the main anime?

Likewise I think the Pikachu shorts before the movies are also in continuity with the show, at least the first bunch, given they actually explained why they weren't with the group in "Pikachu's Summer vacation" and a few of the others.

So is Mystery dungeon not in continuity, in your opinion?
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There's also the uh ice mountain Special, given that Ash still had his charmander. I can't remember which mountains they were, but the one where they "got lost" trying to take a short cut through them, and he got trapped in that snowcave with his Pokemon.
 
Well, Pokemon in the Mystery Dungeon world at least know what humans are, but that's the only thing the games confirm.
 
Trainer'sInsomnia said:
There's also the uh ice mountain Special, given that Ash still had his charmander. I can't remember which mountains they were, but the one where they "got lost" trying to take a short cut through them, and he got trapped in that snowcave with his Pokemon.
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That was "Snow way out," that ep and "Holiday Hi-Jynx" were aired out of order because of the Porygon incident. Since they were Christmas themed eps they delayed them for a year, hence why Ash still has Charmander.

They take place, just before Charmander evolves of course.
 
Trainer'sInsomnia said:
There's also the uh ice mountain Special, given that Ash still had his charmander. I can't remember which mountains they were, but the one where they "got lost" trying to take a short cut through them, and he got trapped in that snowcave with his Pokemon.
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I think that was just out of order rather than out of continuity.

(lol I'm slow today)


Anyway! I can't consider the eps where Meowth has his own apartment to be canon to the rest of the series, unless they're eventually revealed to take place post-series or something.
 
Would the CD dramas be considered "out of continutity?" They were only sold in Japan, few people have even heard of them, and had a number of characters that only appeared in them, like Jessie's mother, Giovanni's mother and Jessie and James' helper friend they used to have (What was his name?)
 
Okay. I couldn't remember whether or not he was heading back to Pallet or not. I think I thought so because I remembered (or so I thought) it being on the same tape as my old PokeCorral VHS. But now I think it might've been an entirely different one with the Jynx and Santa ep as a holiday VHS or something. I don't remember, but I'll check them eventually.

Anyway, okay, then I guess that leaves the Mystery Dungeon eps.


I don't know if the CD dramas count. It's hard to say because a lot of TR backstories conflict with one another. At least as it regards to Jessie and James.
 
PDL--You mean Mondo. And I would say no, those are in continuity given that they take place in the anime timeline, involve characters from it, and have nothing contradictory in them.
 
Just remember a MD2 plot point that screws over my Mystery Dungeon theory, ha.

That plot point being that the player in MD2 is actually a human from the future of the MD world. Now I can't remember, was the player in MD1 said to come from another world, or was that just in Ginji's Rescue Team?

There's nothing saying the Team Rocket CD Drama isn't canon, but what about the Birth of Mewtwo CD Drama? The animated version of that has some differences, the primary one being the state of Amber's clone (light or girl?). Would the anime version be canon to the series, and the CD Drama version not?
 
I don't know if the Mystery Dungeon Specials are in the same continutiy. Mainly, because there is next to nothing to prove or disprove it. I personally think it's in an alternate universe, since the speicals were made to promote the Mystery Dungeon games.

However, this quote from PDL did get me thinking.

PDL said:
Would the CD dramas be considered "out of continutity?" They were only sold in Japan, few people have even heard of them, and had a number of characters that only appeared in them, like Jessie's mother, Giovanni's mother and Jessie and James' helper friend they used to have (What was his name?)
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PDL, I never considered the CD dramas to be canon. Even though most fans on the internet seem think so. For me, until anything from the CD dramas are referenced on the show (and they likely never will), then the CD dramas will remain as apocrypha (non-canon/writings of dubious authenticity) for me.
 
Blackjack Palazzo said:
PDL--You mean Mondo. And I would say no, those are in continuity given that they take place in the anime timeline, involve characters from it, and have nothing contradictory in them.
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There's nothing contradictory about it, but the fact that they're never mentioned in the anime at all would raise a few eyebrows.

Besides, Team Rocket's backstory is constantly being retconned throughout the anime's run, where's the proof that states that the events that took place on the CD drama did or did not happen?
 
A lot of things were mentioned once and never referenced again, like how the Rockets were supposedly having massive trouble with The Law around the end of Johto.

How has their backstory been retconned? The only thing I can really think of that I would count as a 100% retcon is Meowth being Top Cat (which he *had* mentioned in front of Giovanni before without being corrected/stomped flat). When J&J run into each other at the base, the dialogue could go either way.

And if you're thinking of things like all of Jesse's odd jobs, you have to remember that a--she's practically unemployable, and b--she makes shit up constantly.
 
Blackjack Palazzo said:
A lot of things were mentioned once and never referenced again, like how the Rockets were supposedly having massive trouble with The Law around the end of Johto.
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Well, I guess that mention of TR being in trouble in the law was probably the reason why Agatha was the Temporal GL of Viridian Gym.

How has their backstory been retconned? The only thing I can really think of that I would count as a 100% retcon is Meowth being Top Cat
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Which even then, it's unknown if he actually was the top cat to begin with or if he was deluding himself (That mention of becoming Top Cat again in Bye Bye Butterfree was dub added, so that doesn't count [the original line was just something along the lines of "When we tell the Boss..." before trailing off.].). Heck, for all we know, he might have lied to him, as well as JJ, so they might try to go with the plan, and, after they snag up all the pokemon, probably command his men to leave, and tell them to abandon them to their fates (Hey, Red was lying to Blue about redeeming him when telling him to fight Tao Pai Pai in Dragon Ball, so who says Giovanni wasn't doing the same.)

And if you're thinking of things like all of Jesse's odd jobs, you have to remember that a--she's practically unemployable, and b--she makes shit up constantly.
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Then again, considering her state of mind, she might actually think she has those outlandish things (meaning she might be completely insane.).
 
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