Ash`s new rival/successor

[Aladar]

What are your ideas about a character that could fill the role and eventually even have his/her spin-off?
P.S. I`m sorry if there is already a thread like that.

 

[Musashi]

There's no way this would ever happen. What would the spin off even be about? Unless they based it off of the Ranger or Mystery Dungeon games, or did a manga series, I don't know what another show would even be about. And none of those plots really fit the kind of character you're talking about.

 

[Aladar]

I know that all things and persons that want to remove Ash from the show are doomed to fail. It`s just that that thing that I don`t like in the series is that Ash never wins a conference, most of his pokemon are always "I don`t need to evolve! I have a strong spirit" type. I always wished for a character that has major powerhouses in his team and even makes strategies for most battles (not like Conway or Max (possibly)but on the moment like combining moves and using his opponent`s power). And they could still make new games/seasons-the boy/girl will just lose to the E4 or the champ.
I think it will be also interesting if they make a spin-off like Naruto Shipuuden.

 

[Lethal Carnivine]

Sceptile isn't a powerhouse?
Swellow isn't a powerhouse?
Pikachu isn't a powerhouse?
Fucking CHARZARID isn't a powerhouse?

Ash so doesn't use strategy that's why he wins. Through brute force.

 

[Aladar]

Sceptile isn't a powerhouse?
Swellow isn't a powerhouse?
Pikachu isn't a powerhouse?
Fucking CHARZARID isn't a powerhouse?

Ash so doesn't use strategy that's why he wins. Through brute force.

They are one of my favourites and they ARE powerhouses-but they are 4 and Ash has at least 25-30 pokemon (I`m not in mood for counting).About the strategy-yeah,my mistake sry. It`s just that Ash doesn`t seem to be the most brightest guy (compared to his rivals).

 

[Mooites]

true, his rivals are usually a bit sharper than him. But Ash has a good heart, and that makes up for it. Jun's... not like most rivals we've seen, so I think he'll be sticking around. Paul too, since he's so interesting.

 

[Cybersai]

From the looks of things most of his Sinnoh Pokemon are going to end up evolving, so there's no big deal.

The only season that didn't have a lot of evo's was Johto, since we only got Chikorita. Noctowl was already caught evolved.

 

[Evil Raichu]

I don't think that there would ever be a spinoff of one of Ash's rivals. I do think that there will never be another rival as great as Gary Oak, though. It's too bad that he wants to be a researcher now; I wish we got to see more of him in the anime.

 

[CyrusTG]

A successor for Ash? The show is based on him; they're not going to replace him any time soon. Even if they do though, they would probably introduce someone new (5th gen character?) and have him as the main character, as it might seem like a spinoff series (like Chronicles) if there were to use a character like Paul.

 

[The Outrage]

It`s just that that thing that I don`t like in the series is that Ash never wins a conference

So apart from ignoring his feat at the Battle Frontier and the Orange Islands, what's so bad about Ash losing? Do we really want to watch a series with the perfect trainer who has absolutely no flaws?

Ash has one two of the six leagues he has entered which is a pretty good track record. He's also placed fairly high in recent leagues and the lowest being the top sixteen in Kanto (which isn't bad especially considering the fact that he was new at this)

They are one of my favourites and they ARE powerhouses-but they are 4 and Ash has at least 25-30 pokemon (I`m not in mood for counting).About the strategy-yeah,my mistake sry. It`s just that Ash doesn`t seem to be the most brightest guy (compared to his rivals).

I know anime=/= games, but out of all the Pokemon you catch, how many of them are power houses? And Ash does not have the luxury of beating the Elite 4 x amount of times for a quick level up and you know, has to spend real time with his Pokemon to train them.

 

[Aladar]

I know he doesn`t have a "terminator" team but...Ash only wins one season tournaments-compared to the conferences. If I try to think realisticly-yeah, it`s nearly imposible to have a "mega" team and win, but they could at least got him to the semi-finals.

 

[Rhyperior]

So apart from ignoring his feat at the Battle Frontier and the Orange Islands, what's so bad about Ash losing? Do we really want to watch a series with the perfect trainer who has absolutely no flaws?

Ash doesn't necessarily have to have no flaws! He can still have some flaws while at the same time he can still win the league!

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

Of his 13 original Pokemon, Charmander, Caterpie, Pidgeotto, and Krabby all underwent evolution to their final stages. Primeape, Muk, Haunter (if he counts), and Raticate (he counts, it was an official trade, no matter how short), were all Pokemon that already evolved by the time he gained ownership. Of them, only Haunter had one more obtainable stage, but he gave it away quickly after it tagged along. Then of course, Tauros, Lapras, and Snorlax were already set.

So that leaves, what, Pikachu, Bulbasaur, and his Squirtle as his only unevolved Pokemon, and they were all well beyond their first stage in terms of experience and power.

Kanto was apparently stacked with Powerhouses.
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In Johto he only had 6 individual Pokemon captured from that region at that time (7 if his Bug-Contest Beedrill count). And of those, Chikorita evolved, Noctowl was already evolved, and Heracross was set. That left only Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Phanphy. So out of the 6 at the time, there were 3 that weren't evolved, one of which, Phanphy, got his later. So 4/6 were at least evolved. And then realistically speaking, Cyndaquil, Donphan (later), Bayleef and Heracross were the strong ones from the region. Cyndaquil fought and won in at least 4 gym battles despite it's base stage.
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Both Sceptile and Swellow came from AG. Glalie was set, and Corphish had great wins to validate it as strong.
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DP's already produced Grotle and Staravia. He'll likely get AT LEAST Monferno by League, if not Infernape. Staraptor's a great potential. Buizel's a powerhouse either way.
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So I'm not understanding the lack of powerhouse idea. By the way, anime logic doesn't equal game logic. A pokemon doesn't need to be fully evolved to be powerful. They've had pretty of cliche base stage vs greater stage matches to prove thus. Ash has a team that's plenty strong.

I do sometimes want him to use some of his older Pokemon, especially since it appears that Paul's cocky ass has done so - but realistically he'd sweep the conference in that case. There's nothing wrong with him starting anew. I don't hold much weight in the OI conference, but Ash did win BF, and his showings in Leagues have been strong. You need to understand though, that as a character he needs room to develop. He/it can't just be flat line and one dimensional. Characters need room for development, and Ash needs room for improvement, experience growth, etc...

So what exactly is the complaint? Ash and Pikachu are the international stars of the anime franchise. Even non-Pokemon fans know of them. They aren't going to replace him for an entirely new character. It wouldn't do well.

 

[Aladar]

I don`t complain, I just think that compared to his rivals he`s always behind in terms of evolutions. The writers can at least give him 2 or 3 fully evolved (with 3 evo stages) pokemon every generation.
P.S. I`m not talking about D/P I like his Shinnoh team. His Hoenn team was also good.

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

I don`t complain, I just think that compared to his rivals he`s always behind in terms of evolutions. The writers can at least give him 2 or 3 fully evolved (with 3 evo stages) pokemon every generation.
P.S. I`m not talking about D/P I like his Shinnoh team. His Hoenn team was also good.

Um okay, Kanto gave us Charizard, Pidgeot, and Butterfree. So that leaves Johto and AG that haven't. AG however, had one in Sceptile, and Swellow had 2, but was fully evolved and a strong competitor. But you aren't complaining about AG anyway, so that again leaves us with Johto.

For someone "behind" with Pokemon Evolution rates, he sure does deliver.

 

[Aladar]

OK,Maybe I`m wrong, yes. But I don`t see Ash winning if he has a battle with a guy with Empoleon, Tyranitar, Flygon, Blaziken, Dragonite and Metagross (for example)

 

[Trainer'sInsomnia]

OK,Maybe I`m wrong, yes. But I don`t see Ash winning if he has a battle with a guy with Empoleon, Tyranitar, Flygon, Blaziken, Dragonite and Metagross (for example)

Yeah but none of his rivals are gonna be that overhauled either. Unlike the games, a given trainer can't just go and find the same trainers waiting in the same spots ready to rechallenge him, or go to the Elite 4 and rape them 100x for experience. Battles and training are tougher in the anime. No one's "overleveled" or "overhauled", or even as eager to catch a team full of "the strongest Pokemon". The characters tend to base their teams usually on the Pokemon that appeal to them.

Besides, two of those listed are starters from two different regions, a rarity like the Dratini/Dragonite line, and a beast-to-train Tyranitar. Definitely wouldn't happen in a show. You might be right though, but then again, that's the very reason why they won't let Ash bring together certain members of his team (see the "Assemble Ash's Team" thread).

 

[Rhyperior]

I think Paul would have an overhauled team by the time of the league. They will need to evolve Eletabuzz and Marmar to showcase Electivire and Magmortar. His other Pokémon are all fully-evolved. Fully-evolved Pokémon seem appeal to Paul.

 

[The Outrage]

Ash doesn't necessarily have to have no flaws! He can still have some flaws while at the same time he can still win the league!

Why thankyou for assuming the complete opposite of what I said, either that or you just like quoting text and restating it in your own words.

 

[Cybersai]

I do like seeing most of Ash's Pokemon evolve, with only a few exceptions. Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Corphish were all fine staying in their base forms, its all the others that should have evolved at least once.

Likewise being fully evolved doesn't make you strong, case in point, Noctowl. The only thing it was good for was battling ghosts, otherwise it was useless.