Ash Using His Old Pokémon In The Sinnoh League

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There is something that I don’t get?

Why is it assumed that Ash won’t use any of his old Pokémon in the Sinnoh League?

I mean, I know that Ash made a vow in Hoenn that he would only catch and use the Pokémon that he capture in Hoenn for the Hoenn League, but that was different?

Because when Gen III, started the GBA games of Ruby and Sapphire weren’t compatible with the older gen games for the original Game Boy, so it made sense that Ash would make a vow like that in the beginning of Hoenn.

Sinnoh is different because Diamond and Pearl are compatible with the old GBA games and Ash didn’t make any vow that he would only use his Sinnoh Pokémon for the Sinnoh League.

When the Sinnoh League comes around I wouldn’t be surprise that Ash use some of his old Pokémon like, Muk or Snorlax for a battle or two. I do believe that Ash will use mainly his Sinnoh Pokémon, but I still think that we’ll see his older Pokémon being used for the Sinnoh League, too.
 
I don't think it'll happen, since they're paralleling Ash's Sinnoh Pokes with Paul too much.

I think he'll only use his current team in the Sinnoh league, but then during the Elite 4 matches he'll use his older Pokemon.

I am dying to see Ash use his older Pokemon again, but I know it won't happen till after the Sinnoh league. I can't wait to see Ash whip out Charizard and Sceptile against Cynthia. :D
 
Dawn did ask Ash to call apon his older Pokemon before in ''O'er Rampardos We watched'' but Ash refused but he did bring Aipom with him.

But still I would like Heracross and Snorlax to return to fight Jun in the final round.
 
jinglejoe said:
Dawn did ask Ash to call apon his older Pokemon before in ''O'er Rampardos We watched'' but Ash refused but he did bring Aipom with him.
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Well, Aipom tagged along just so it could evolve. Also, Ash didn't technically bring it with - it followed him.

To the topic at hand, I really can't see Ash bringing back his old Pokémon for the Sinnoh tournament. However, if they do any sort of mini-arc like the Battle Frontier again, I can see Ash using his old Pokémon for that.
 
Wasn't the reason Ash used old Pokemon in the Johto league in the first place was because everyone wanted Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard back?

I was old enough to be in the fandom (in the form that it existed back then) while Johto was airing, and I remember Ash's Johto starters getting a terrible backlash from the fanbase.

Everyone was pissed that Charizard and Squirtle left (since at the time, we didn't know if they were released or not), and hated the fact that the Johto starters did not evolve. Why do you think Charizard came back for Movie 3 and Bulbasaur lasted on Johto for more than half of it?

Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard came back for the Johto league because at the time people loved Ash's original team and didn't want to move on to the Johto starters, hence the latter being done away with in the manner that they were. Ash's Kanto starters got all the glory because the writers knew it was what the fanbase wanted.

Since Ash's Sinnoh Pokemon are actually popular, why would that happen again? Like back in AG, Ash's Hoenn Pokemon dominated the league and then after in the BF arc Ash brought back his older Pokemon. So that way we got the best of both worlds.

We all want to see Ash's older Pokemon again, but I think the writers will give the Sinnoh Pokes their time to shine and then bring back the others in whatever arc comes after.
 
I think it would be cheap for Ash to use his other Pokemon in the Sinnoh League. Even if the Sinnoh Team wasn't popular (the writers can only assume so much since episodes don't take a week to make); It would still be cheap to use them.

I know that certain Pokemon (or their evolutions) haven't been in a league match, but still the Sinnoh League is brand new, Ash should only use his new Pokemon.

I think the flaw in thinking Aipom somehow broke the rule that Ash won't use his reserves is that Ash had to catch something during Battle Frontier. I mean come on he only had 5 Pokemon. If Aipom was caught at the beginning of the Battle Frontier then maybe you'd have a case. Not to mention Ash didn't want to bring Aipom even though it did absolutely nothing. I mean come on, what was that? Ash dropped Aipom because he caught it Kanto, and yet he did nothing with that. I mean sure it was kind of cool to see Aipom stowaway on the boat, but really that was mind boggling.

I kind of hope it doesn't happen again (if something is caught late like Aipom was, hopefully the writers will make sense of it and make Ash take it with him; because he didn't train it enough).

However, I do think filler saga's or old leagues, are perfect for reserves. But for the Sinnoh League? No, unless you want the Sinnoh Team to be cheated out of a real decent match.
 
dman_dustin said:
I mean come on, what was that? Ash dropped Aipom because he caught it Kanto, and yet he did nothing with that. I mean sure it was kind of cool to see Aipom stowaway on the boat, but really that was mind boggling.
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How was it mind-boggling? It was intended from day one to evolve into Ambipom, so naturally it would come with him.
 
I think a healthy mixture would be fine.
Ash is going to have multiple battles in the league. If I remember correctly, there are preliminaries with 2 to 3 battles, then the finals with top 64, 32, 16, 8, 4 and 2. So we're looking at between 7-9 battles. To tell me that a trainer with nearly 30 different pokemon is going to exclusively use only 6 of them seems rather farfetch'd.

I'd like to see some matches where ash uses a mixture of both. For instance, his premilimaries could consist of two Shinnoh, and four old ones.

Of course they only match I see all 6 of the Shinnoh ones battling together is against Paul. There has been WAAAAAAAAAAY to much forshadowing to even concieve it could be otherwise.

However, if (and when) they bring old pokemon back, I want them to give an explanation and some story as to why they choose them. A meeting between Bayleaf and Grotle for instance would justify using Bayleeef in a battle.
 
PAK Man said:
How was it mind-boggling? It was intended from day one to evolve into Ambipom, so naturally it would come with him.
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No, no, no, what's mind boggling is Aipom had to stowaway on the boat. Why didn't Ash just bring Aipom with him from the start?
 
The true reason that Bulbasaur,Squirtle and Charizard were brought back not because of the fanbase was because they were his first original team and plus Ash's Johto starters did not get any backlash at all that is the retarded fanbase making up stuff that is not true as allways.The johto team were really popular and they did great in the johto league they did just as good as the ag team did in the hoenn league,and the fanbase is crazy to say that the kanto starters got glory because the writers knew what they wanted is the biggest lie ever because is not true at all is the fanbase making this up.
 
dman_dustin said:
No, no, no, what's mind boggling is Aipom had to stowaway on the boat. Why didn't Ash just bring Aipom with him from the start?
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I'm guessing because he probably wanted to start anew again in Sinnoh, just like in Hoenn. However, when he realized Aipom wanted to travel with him, he couldn't say no. The same thing happened with Phanpy at the beginning of the Battle Frontier.
 
Its the writers way of giving the new pokemon their chance to shine. In Kanto Ash caught too many pokemon so his reserves(Kingler, Muk) took up most of the battles that he won on screen, Charizard, Pidgeoto and to a lesser extent, Pikachu, Squirtle and Bulbasaur were completely screwed.

In the Johto league they made up for their mistakes in Kanto by giving the Kanto team and Pikachu a ton of wins. The Johto team was completely jyped.

When it came to Hoeen the writers finally learned how to handle Ash's team. They have him leave his previous team with Oak rather than randomly releasing them all willy-nilly, catch a team of new pokemon and train them and use them exclusively until Ash is done with their respective region. They always have the filler arcs to give some lovin to the older pokemon.

To be honest. So far I think the Hoeen and Sinnoh teams were handled best no contest. Sinnoh even seems better than Hoeen so far. If Staraptor gets a win or two in the Battle Zone then all will be good
 
Sinnoh pokemons are weaker than in Houenn. No doubt.

We have only full evolved Gliscor for now. And that's all.

Lets compare..

1.Staravia even if it evolves is no match against Swellow.
2.Chimchar VS Torcole (maybe even)
3.Grotle VS Grovyle (Grotle has no chance)
4.Glaylie VS Buizel (even)
5.Corfish VS Gliscor (even)

So what we see... 2 wins and 2 ties for Houenn team.

And don't tell me that Staravia can do it.
 
As it is of now, swellow would win rather easily.
If it is a staraptor, I can see it going up against swellow and be even.
Remember, it TOOK A WHILE before it got so strong as it is now.

And Grotle would indeed lose, but it still needs some tactics advancement to battle slow and defensive, but after that it could be an even match.

Against galie..
Three words: ice aqua jet.

Buizel is close in strength to Grovyle, not in terms of a face-off because of type but overall strength.
And I think chimchar is stronger then torkoal, it is more versatile then only fire attacks and defending like torkoal does.

I think the Sinnoh team is close to the hoenn team, slightly weaker, but prone to change.
 
swampertuska said:
Sinnoh pokemons are weaker than in Houenn. No doubt.
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That is wholly not true. Buizel stands out. Gliscor and Grotle follow. Then Chimchar and Staravia.
 
I just hope Ash has a Monferno, Staraptor and possibly Floatzel by the league.
 
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