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Ash's Best Team

Duckgon Z said:
just dump Charizard, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur at Oak's, then you have a bunch of pissed off nostalgiaphobes, the kids still hooked on Kanto which was all Pokemon had at the time, whining about how poor Charizard, Squirtle and Bulbasaur got cheated out of screentime and proper battles. And I guess the writers figured that having this "nobody" team be stronger than the originals would have been a giant slap to the face of the fans, so they made them as weak as possible.
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This is what I probably figure, the writers purposely sabotaged Ash's Johto team on purpose because they knew how popular his Kanto Pokemon were. They knew they had to replace them for advertising purposes, but it didn't mean the writers had to like it.

How else can Bulbasaur lasting on Ash's team for more than half of Johto be explained? Instead of Heracross being Oak'd, an actual Johto Pokemon, we really should have seen Bulbasaur Oak'd.

Charizard makes its epic return for Movie 3 to battle Entei, for no other reason than fanservice for the Kanto team. Charizard returns again for Gym 8 with Snorlax, and then Squirtle makes its return for the league.

The Johto starters were like the "Tracey" of Ash's Pokemon teams. They got the same kind of reaction from the fanbase for replacing the Kanto starters as Tracey did for replacing Brock.

Its only until Hoenn began that the writers managed to get people to move on from Ash's Kanto starters, most likely because the during the Johto league the Kanto team proved their worth and satisfied the fanbase. It also certainly helps matters that the later teams actually get good development again.
 
I don't get why in the hell people say the johto team is his weakest teams because they are not they were just as strong as his other teams,plus how in the hell did the writers purposely sabotaged ash's johto that's not true at all the fan base have to be god damn crazy to even think like that cyndaquil was really a strong battler totodile was also good in battles and not forgetting how strong he was,the hoenn team was strong but not that powerful people who say that are lying when it comes down to the johto team ,they were never weak they were strong like his other teams he have and bayleef is not weak at all but is show to be strong.
 
Well, if they're strong, why did Ash choose to use his Kanto team in the league? Although they're strong, but they're not strong enough to achieve anything for Ash in the league and it's a shame that he dumped heracross, the strongest in his team, to Oak.
 
Just because he use his kanto team in the johto league does not mean his johto team did not achieve anything are that they are not strong are any good, the fans always think tney know crap and they don't know a damn thing because they battle really well and who ever say they don't is a lying.
 
emanuellburnell said:
Just because he use his kanto team in the johto league does not mean his johto team did not achieve anything are that they are not strong are any good, the fans always think tney know crap and they don't know a damn thing because they battle really well and who ever say they don't is a lying.
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Is a lying?????lmao...wow.

Dude, no one is saying the johto team did not have their moments. Totodile took down Harrison's sneasal. Cyndiquil had wins in most of the gyms, and actually won him 2 badges of about 5 gym battles he was in. Bayleef took down Harrison's Houndour, and won him his 6th badge. Noctowl won him his 4th. They've had their moments, but not like the other teams. His Kanto team has the most experience, so they will always be his best. Then his Hoenn has as much if not more experience than his johto team, plus most of them are all evolved. Finally, his sinnoh team is building up to be just like the Hoenn team, if not better. Basically, johto was screwed out of better battles, and with the exception of Herracross and Donphan, not used to their full potential. In the end, compared to the rest of his pokemon, they are a little bit weaker.
 
My choices for Ash's best team:

Pikachu (obvious)
Charizard (another obvious)
Sceptile (see above)
Swellow (best flying type so far)
Donphan (a strong wild card pokemon with a unique and useful typing)
Buizel (like Charizard/Sceptile except a water type)

Great Reserves:
Snorlax (always handy when called on)
Glalie (killed the Hoenn League)
Heracross (another really strong pokemon)
 
my favorite team:

pikachu
charizard
sceptile
swellow or staraptor (if he comes someday)
snorlax / heracross (i don't know!)
buizel (but needs to practice more)
 
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ash_forever's team for Ash Ketchum

Pikachu
Sceptile
Charizard
Snorlax
Squirtle/ Buizel/ Bulbasaur/ Chimchar
Swellow/ Heracross/ Tauros


Well, the first four slots are definitely crystal clear choices and I'm sure that there's no need for big discussions about whether or not it is justified to consider them Ash's best and most powerful Pokemon. Without any doubt they make up his undisputed all-star Team!

When it comes to the fifth and sixth choice however, it's impossible for me to make the right decision. I'm aware that whatever Pokemon I choose from this range of possible candidates, I will always discriminate the remaining ones, because all of them are just awesome.

Slot 5: I'm slighty leaning towards Buizel because it has proven itself to be an incredible powerhouse during the last two gym battles. But of course, I'll also always remember Squirtel's and Bulbasaur's great performances and achievements.
And, folks, please don't forget Chimchar!! It may now seem a bit inconspicuous, but please always bear "Chim-Charred" in mind! As soon as "Chimmy" is able to unleash this impressive power which it was showing in the aforesaid episode, and if it perhaps envolves additionally, it'll be bound to be on the same level as Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile and Snorlax.

When it comes to my last choice, I'm really getting into serious trouble: I can't help thinking that Swellow's strength was a bit exaggerated and sometimes reminded me of a deus-ex plot device, especially in Ash's third BF batte against Swampert.
I really like Heracross and Tauros, the former because of his powerful attacks ,the latter because of its impressive appearance as well as its massive attacks.
All in all, I guess I would choose Heracross here, although I would feel sorry for Swellow and Tauros at the same time.
 
I respect what you are saying but i don't argee that they were weak, they have enough experience to hold they own in battle and they are not weak at all they just as good as the other teams,his hoenn might have been the most evovle and strong but that don't mean they are all that powerful compare to his kanto team.and the johto team was never screw to begin with they were strong.
 
I didn't say they're weak, I just said that they're not strong enough to led Ash to the final 8 on their own without the Kanto team.
 
For emmannuel, I'll just quote myself because even I get tired of typing the same thing over and over:

Scott85 said:
I think the funny thing is no matter which way you slice it, his Johto team will forever be Ash's weakest team and can't compete with the others.

For example:

Bulbasaur and Sceptile are stronger than Bayleef, and now that Grotle is in its second stage its bound to be stronger than Bayleef by the end of Sinnoh.

Charizard is powerful, Torkoal almost took out a legendary, and Chimchar has already IMO surpassed Cyndaquil. Also Chimchar is heavily hinted to evolve, so once Ash has Monferno then that means Cynda is even more screwed.

Squirtle and Corphish have a number of impressive victories under their belts, and Buizel is well on its way to becoming one of Ash's most powerful water types. Add that with Kingler who is still a strong back-up, and poor Totodile is bottom of the barrel.

In terms of flying Swellow is the strongest, Staravia is bound to be a really powerful Staraptor, so that leaves poor balloon-popping Noctowl to his own devices.


I don't know, did the writers do this purposely? If the Johto team didn't exist, we'd all be debating furiously over who Ash's weakest team was. But since the Johto roster was what it was, we can all safely agree on it. Its like the writers themselves purposely sabotaged that team in Johto.
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Its hard to argue with this, isn't it? Unless the Johto starters come back and the writers develop them more, they're going to forever be remembered as Ash's weakest team.
 
The way I see it, Ash's strongest team would be:

Pikachu
Charizard
Donphan
Tauros
Buizel
Sceptile

Pikachu was his starter, so obviously he's going to be in there. Since Pikachu's been with Ash from day one, it's one of the strongest (if not THE strongest)Pokemon Ash owns.

Charizard, as the only fully-evolved fire Starter Ash owns, it's there. If Chimchar evolves all the way, though, he may give Charizard a run for his money.

Donphan was clearly very strong, it knows Hyper Beam, a very devastating attack, for crying out loud. Isn't Donphan the only Pokemon Ash has that knows Hyper Beam? Anyway, it's got more than decent strength, so it fits.

Ash only uses one specific Tauros, and it's proved itself in both Johto and the Orange Islands, among other places, so it would make a staple member of a strong team.

Buizel's a powerhouse right now, I can only imagine how strong he'll be if he evolves. In my opinion, Buizel's far stronger than Squirtle at this point.

Sceptile's Ash's strongest (and as of right now, only fully evolved)Grass Type, so it deserves a spot on this strong team. It's powerful too, probably just as strong as Charizard.
 
Rhyperior said:
No, Kingler is the first to learn Hyper Beam, Snorlax the second, then it's Donphan.
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Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing that out. It's been so long since I've seen episodes with Kingler/Snorlax battling I'd forgotten.
 
I'd say....

Pikachu
Charizard
Snorlax
Sceptile
Squirtle
Muk/Heracross can't decide here....
 
I find this kind of funny how the fan base think they know it all when it comes down to the johto being his weakest team which is not true at all, they will never be remembered as ash's weakest team because they was never his weakest team, i admit they would have not gotten him in the top 8 in the johto league on they own with out the kanto team.
 
emanuellburnell said:
I find this kind of funny how the fan base think they know it all when it comes down to the johto being his weakest team which is not true at all, they will never be remembered as ash's weakest team because they was never his weakest team, i admit they would have not gotten him in the top 8 in the johto league on they own with out the kanto team.
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If they never was his weakest team, what was?
 
They did battle really well but i don't know what to say maybe they were a little weak but that's a tough one.
 
If Ash assembly an All-Star team it would likily be:

Pikachu (of course)

Charizard

Sceptile

Buizel

Swellow (Ash's best Flying-Type ever)

Snorlax (maybe the least used of the six, but it has proven to be a powerhouse in some of Ash's biggest battles)

Thinking about this line-up made me realize that I wouldn't mind seeing most (if not all) these Pokémon used against Paul in their upcoming Sinnoh League match. Paul doesn't think much of Ash or his Pokémon and using these Pokémon would be a shock for Paul because I'm sure that we'll see one-to-three Pokémon that Paul never was seen with until his Sinnoh League match with Ash.
 
Pikachu (strongest)
Sceptile (proven to be strong and fast)
Charizard (possibly second strongest Pokemon Ash owns)
Kingler (Swept its first ever opponent in a Pokemon League battle)
Primeape (Won the P1 Grand Prix)
Weezing (I wish.... If only he was given the one he used in The Ultimate Test...)
 
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