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Ash's mistakes.

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Which Pokemon do you think Ash misused, abused, let go, given away, or underused do you think was the worst mistake?
I personally think he should have used Kingler more often considering the first time he used it, it dominated and evolved. Especially considering it was a pokemon league match. He also just gave away his Primeape right when it started listening to him. Ash annoys me to no end. Red is so much cooler.
 
games=/=anime...

anyways, I feel his Sinnoh team is being treated well, but I have to wonder about Gliscor. All this work to evolve it and stuff... and it gets put on a bus.

I do think Ash has done well by most of his team.
 
Ryuutakesh! said:
I have to wonder about Gliscor. All this work to evolve it and stuff...
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What work??? "hold this claw I got two seconds ago from my old rival..." hardly qualifies as hard work... In terms of battling, Ash letting Gliscor go wasn't really a mistake since the pokemon wasn't all that useful in battles, but it did feel weird when Ash constantly berated Paul for releasing his weak pokemon instead of trusting and training them to become stronger... but I have to agree the Sinnoh team are being well treated by the writers, strong sotrylines have been established for all (except Gible but... he's been with Ash for exactly one episode, so give it time...)

Weird gym and league battle choices, even though they usually work to Ash's advantages by the writer's miraculous intervention have always felt weird to me...

Like in Snowpoint, Ash has a Buizel and a pikachu, neither has a weakness to ice type move, pikachu even know iron tail that's super effective against ice type, but he uses Grotle, Gliscor and Staraptor in that battle... I could fathom Gliscor and Staraptor being used cause they have mves that are effective against ice types but Grotle ??!? Or Chikorita against Falkner, Bayleaf against Houndoom... I know some of them have resulted in wins for Ash but just any battles where Ash just says "I think I'll choose a pokemon that's gonna have the hardest times with this opponnent" always made me go WHYYYYYYYYYYYY ?

Not leaving all of his Kanto pokemon behind when he left for Johto was also a mistake, he relied too much on the Kanto pokemon and didn't really progress as a trainer... The underusage of Ash's Johto pokemon is probably Ash's biggest mistake
 
Gliscor left to become stronger like Charizard, so even though its training with someone else, its not a mistake since it will return stronger for Ash to use.
 
Jolteon, you are really wrong, because Ash not leaving the Kanto Pokemon behind was never a mistake to begin with, another thing its that Ash did not relied on the Kanto team a whole lot and his Johto Pokemon was used a whole lot in Johto they were never underusage and your logic fails you really good.

Ash leaving his Pokemon behind when he enter a new region its one of the biggest mistakes of all and Scott you need to stop this crap about Gliscor coming back, she its gone deal with it and Gliscor was not seen in the DP opening which pretty much make it clear that she its gone forever.
 
He shouldn't have released any of his Pokemon honestly. I don't see what was the point in all of it, but it's not the only times writers have done weird things.

Also I don't think he ever abused his Pokemon, but putting his Pokemon up against other Pokemon who had a big type advantage or were too weak was also kinda dumb, another fault with the writers.

I really hate how the writers designed Ash as a trainer, but oh well I've disliked him since season 1 and I doubt that opinion will change.
 
ιиsσмиιαc said:
Also I don't think he ever abused his Pokemon, but putting his Pokemon up against other Pokemon who had a big type advantage or were too weak was also kinda dumb, another fault with the writers.
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Maybe Ash is hoping each battle will be similar to that one time where fire types could own water types.
 
In every episode I've seen Ash makes a mistake...it's not much of a problem back at the beginning of the series cause he was supposed to be a n00b trainer...but after some time....that was one of the reason I gave up on the anime...too much stupidity/mistakes from the main characters
 
If Ketchum kept his Kanto pokemon with him the whole time his team would be equally strong as Paul's team
 
emanuellburnell said:
Jolteon, you are really wrong, because Ash not leaving the Kanto Pokemon behind was never a mistake to begin with, another thing its that Ash did not relied on the Kanto team a whole lot and his Johto Pokemon was used a whole lot in Johto they were never underusage and your logic fails you really good.
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He used Charizard in Falkner's and Claire's gym battles... and kept Bulbasaur on his team for the majority of Johto, as opposed to use that heracross he capture as his sixth pokemon. Don't get me wrong, the Johto pokemon (except cyndaquil who was used in five gym battles) were used a lot in useless filler episode but for thebig fights, they really weren't... Noctowl, Totodile and Bayleaf were all used in only one gym battle each... That means Charizard starred in twice as many gym battles than half of Ash's Johto team while he was in Johto If that's not underusage, I don't know what is...

Ash leaving his Pokemon behind when he enter a new region its one of the biggest mistakes of all
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I disagre, I mean, when Ash left all of his pokemon before going to Hoenn, he actually had to capture new pokemon with new personnality and natures and had to adapt his strategies... fighting usins Sceptile, Bayleaf, Blbasaur and Torterra, even though they're all grass types requires different strategies. Ash winning with Sceptile means Ash used a more speedy approach, Ash using Torterra means relying on defense until Torterra sees an openning and counterattacks with physical attack, while Ash winning with Bulbasaur means using status attacks and ranged attacks... Ash's strenght (besides blind luck) has always (well not really always but since Hoenn) been the ability to understand how a pokemon fights and change his battle style accordingly. If Ash had just kept his original pokemon, he never would have progressed, he would have become predictable.

and Scott you need to stop this crap about Gliscor coming back, she its gone deal with it and Gliscor was not seen in the DP opening which pretty much make it clear that she its gone forever
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Again, I disagree with you here too emmanuel, my above comment wasn't meant to say that Gliscor was not coming back for the League or never coming back... It actually has about 50% chance of returning. Just because the openning doesn't show Gliscor doesn't mean it won't reappear... It might, it might not... my comment was more to say, let's stop saying Gliscor coming back is a fact when it's only a possibility...

If Ketchum kept his Kanto pokemon with him the whole time his team would be equally strong as Paul's team
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Actually given Monferno and torterra's evolutions, Ash's Sinnoh team will probably be equally strong as Paul's is and he won't have to rely on any of his old pokemon. Ash getting beaten by Paul has nothing to do with him not keeping his old Kanto pokemon...
 
I don't get off were you are saying that the Johto team was underusage because they wasn't, they were use in a lot of battles which most of them were big and even though Totodile, Bayleef, and Noctowl were in one Gym Battle match each, those battles they had still counts as being big.

While it was good that Ash left his old Pokemon behind before going to Hoenn, he still didn't progressed that much in Hoenn either and his Hoenn team did not have that much personality to begin with.
 
Leaving behind Primape, not returning for Pidgeot, and ignoring Kingler are just a few.
 
emanuellburnell said:
they were use in a lot of battles which most of them were big.
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Such as? I mean, you keep saying this all the time, but not once have you ever given an example. Time to deliver.
his Hoenn team did not have that much personality to begin with.
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Oh?
Corphish was gutsy and stubborn, often leading to comical situations. Treeko had a thirst for strength and constantly strived to get stronger, having to deal with a lot of disadvantages along the way. Torkoal was emotional and would cry at the slightest misfortune. Snorunt was a mischevious prankster who'd freeze people just to get a laugh, but knew when to be serious and stop goofing off.
So where, exactly, are you pulling this "Did not have that much personallity" rubbish from?
 
Bayleef was excellent in the battle against Chuck, almost singlehandedly defeated both Poliwrath and Machoke, helping Ash win the badge. Bayleef also defeated Harrison's Houndoom in the league despite a type disadvantage.

Cyndaquil defeated Bugsys Syther, Morty's Gastly, Jasmine's Steelix and Pryce's Dewgong. In two gyms, as with Bugsy and Jasmine, Cynda defeated the leaders very best pokemon.
 
His Pikachu. He should have given him a Light Ball since Gen III, so even his power level is reset again, at least it could kick some ass, even though he would probably short circuit when his power level returned back.

And his Charizard. That thing deserves to relax for rest of his life now after beating an Articuno(albeit not a special one) and make Charmender eggs with Charla.

And Kingler, it wasn't his strongest water type, but it wasn't the weakest either.

And of course Gliscor. It was one of his weakest Pokémon of all times, but it did have some personality.
 
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