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Boy, that was quick. Bye, Roe vs Wade!

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For those too worried about Roe vs. Wade...

Abortion will NOT be banned by federal law, even if the decision is rolled back. It'll affect some socially conservative states, like Texas and Utah, but the rest of the states won't ban abortion, right?
 
Maybe not an outright ban on abortion, but restrictions would come into play on a state level. Adolescent girls might be required to get their parents' permission before having an abortion, which is common in many states. Even if there's a law prohibiting abortion, it will still happen nationwide. Alcohol was banned in the 1920s yet people found ways to drink it.
 
See, there's an easy way out of this (I think I'll post this in most of the upcoming DOOM CONSERVATIVES GLOOM CHRISTIANOFASCISTS WOE BUSHNAZI threads) :

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And before anyone make a comment about "love it or leave it", note my location :-p

(Amusingly enough, here it's the conservatives who had to promise not to touch abortion last election campaign because it torpedoed any chance they had east of Manitoba).
 
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The problem becomes that it takes money and time to move to another country which not everyone has. Something that the "if you don't like it, leave" people tend to ignore.
 
And posting a "DOOM GLOOM WOE!" topic everytime something too conservative for you happens (or, more accurately in this case, might possibly perhaps happen) help this how, exactly?

Seriously people. If you have a problem with what's happening in the US - do something concrete about it. Whining about it on a pokémon message board won't change the day - all you're doing so far here is engaging in an exercise of mutual pitying, "Oh, woe is us, we are being oppressed by the evil conservatives!".

EVEN admitting we had a decent number of conservatives visiting (which we don't), none of the posts above will accomplish anything. You won't convince people that YOUR side is right by complaining ; you have to win them over with ARGUMENTS. That's what the conservatives are doing : oh, some of these arguments are questionable ("definition of marriage"), but you can't deny their effectiveness. The picture of a dead foetus after aborption is a POWERFUL argument ; it's what you have to find a way to beat (for aborption).

But are you doing any of that here? Doesn't look like it.

You don't win a by staring at your enemy and waiting for his move, shaking in your boots and cursing the "enemy" for decidign to actually try to beat you. You win a war by knowin the enemy, knowing his weaknesses, knowing your own weakness, exploiting his and shoring up yours.
 
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Meh. I need to bitch to someone. And it is nice to keep people informed. It's catharsis. At least a little. The truth is, politics really stresses me out. To the point where I have anxiety attacks over it. But if I don't follow the series of tragedies that continue to occur, I feel guilty for not keeping myself informed and for wilfully chosing to be ignorant of current events. It's just the way my twisted mind works.
 
*points at edits above*

I could (and was planning to be) have been MUCH harsher above. There's a lot I didn't say (sample : IMO, Mozz - a LONE conservatiev - is, at this point in time, able to out-debate all the liberals of BMG except Barb and I put together). But what I have said so far is a start you should pay attention to.
 
Do something concrete like what? I'm in the middle of a rual area with a population of about 500 that's fiercely republican. There's no activist groups, there's nothing that I could change around here. Worldwide, all I could do is bother politicians with emails - which would be aproximately as useful as bitching on a Pokemon messageboard. Even debating with conservatives online - even WINNING debates with them isn't going to change shit.

Sorry, I'd LIKE to do something concrete, but the fact is - there's really nothing a single, lone person can do. Even activist organizations are largely ineffective. We live in a Republic. The opinion of the people largely doesn't matter, because we don't think for ourselves. We hire other people to do our thinking for us.

Even then, the government isn't influenced by people who actually CARE about it. Not by people who keep informed or read issues. It's swayed by a populace who losely pays attention and generally votes based on A) what their family votes, or B) the last thing they heard on TV. Either way, it's not something you can readily influence. People don't pay attention to text anymore, at least not the voters in general. They only pay attention to television or what they hear in church.

Maybe if this were a true democracy, smaller groups of people could make a difference. But as it is, the only people who can do so are those who are directly involved in politics and those who have heavy influence in media or religion.

Damian, Mozz, you can dress up your little bitchfits with eachother however you like, but neither of you can affect the government at large, anywhere, really. So you two are pretty much accomplishing as much as I am. The difference being I don't pretend to be doing anything else.
 
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You can't sway your local community? Perhaps. But some here might be able to. And even in your local community - do you know EVERYONE in it? Are you SURE absolutely none of them can be swayed? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure no other liberals are there?

EVEN if you really are alone and without anyone to convert, you aren't really. You still have the world at your fingertips - the internet is MUCH more powerful than you seem to think. The internet allows you to make your voice heard to sway people over the world. It allow people over the world to help you.

No, the net isn't perfect. Many people don'T even go online. And many of the people online do not need convinced of your views, because the net tends to be very liberal - because it's a domain of the younger people first, and because of how strong liberalism is everywhere in the western world except the US. But there ARE Still people who tend toward conservatism, and they CAN still be won over. One person only, true.

But even convincing ONE person is better than convincing nobody. Sure, it won't stop the tide. In the short term, you WILL lose battles to the conservatives. Roe V Wade may well jumps the sharks within the year. There's nothign to do on things like that but count your losses, and fight the battles you have a chance to win. Ten, fifteen years from now, you'll have another chance at fightign Roe V Wade and winning it, that's what you have to prepare for, and what you have to sway people for.

(And yeah, I know Mozz and I aren't affecting a thing debatign here. We're not complainign about things much, though)
 
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I don't agree with abortion, however, I don't believe in banning it. 1.) It wouldn't prevent the rich from getting abortions in other countries. If one of the Bush twins began looking a little round, you can bet she'd soon be unround after a foreign trip. 2.) Those who couldn't afford to circumvent the laws and were desperate enough could damage themselves in "alleyway abortions".

The liberals are ready to fight this. They aren't out of touch with "Working Class America". The left is calling for a moderate and won't except anything less. I'd call this extrordinary circumstances. Wouldn't you?
 
I know this is off-topic, but you keep stating to come to Canada if someone doesn't like it in the US. I've got news for you D, it's not as easy as you think. My family's been trying to get in for the last few years, and we've been rejected repeatedly (often by not meeting the silly little points requirements). If it was up to my dad, we'd have been in Canada years ago, but it's not.

So until you find me someone who's gotten into Canada who's not filthy rich (it's possible to get in by investing something like $400,000 in a Canadian business or something) and/or has two people with college degrees in the family and both had job offers, I'd appreciate if you'd stop advertising Canada in the sense that people should 'just move there' because it's not that simple.

- Trip
 
Damian Silverblade said:
sample : IMO, Mozz - a LONE conservatiev - is, at this point in time, able to out-debate all the liberals of BMG except Barb and I put together
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I hate to say it, but you're right. And I seem to be agreeing more and more with Mozz. It scares me. He's not like Mew2Two, just spouting off falsified reports...he's actually putting forth good evidence and reasonable responses.

We've debated most issues to death (i.e. war in Iraq, although there's CONSTANTLY new stuff that I'm barely preventing myself from bringing up), and until we invade Mexico, I doubt there will be any other big ones until 2008. I think now it's just people wanting to keep this forum alive by debating any little thing. And since the liberals have the most to complain about now...we're the ones doing the bitching. And that's what it is mostly...bitching. I do it, too, so please don't think I'm considering myself innocent in this respect. Frankly, I don't know WHY I'm posting because I'm just one rung above rambling incoherently.

Now, as for the article linked to...it's crap. Until we actually start to get some REAL nominees from Bush, I don't see a reason to sound the alarms. Cry wolf too many times and, well...this happens.
 
Damian... I don't mean to be a jerk, but why would any of us want to come to Canada? I wouldn't. I'm staying right in my little crap town of Florence.

Besides, I don't care that you're Canadian. But you don't hear me talking about how people should move to the U.S. all the time.
 
I already explained that I was MAKING A POINT. Yes, I know not everyone can move to Canada. Yes, I know, some of you actually LIKE it in the US. And that'S well within your rights.

My point was, if all you're going to do is to go "WOE IS US! THE CONSERVATIVES ARE OPPRESSING US!", then get out from under the conservatives. If you won't, or can't, then don't complain about it. Try to do something about it instead.

No, whining on a pokémon forum is not doing something about it.
 
Thanks for the compliment, Damian ^_^'
 
A lot of people say that Abortion is the womens choice, that its their body and they should be able to choose what they do with it. In that case why dont more of those women CHOOSE to keep their pants on :P
Sorry if thats a little vulgar but its true lol
In any case, Im a 21 year old woman, Im not rich, and Im originally from a place not far from DC. I grew up having major liberal teachers, and yet somehow Im a republican. Ive always hated abortion because no matter how hard life gets, at least you had a chance to live it, and I believe its a crime to take that chance away from an unborn child. I dont think its right to destroy a life just because it 'wasnt supposed to happen' or, 'its an inconvinience for me at this moment'. More adults should be responsible and use preventive measures if they dont want a baby, or, if they get pregnant they should look into adoption. Plenty of couples in the US cant have children of their own and desperately want to raise a child. It makes me sad thinking about an unborn life destroyed and what good couldve come from that person who never got a chance to live.
I practice what I preach too, I live with my boyfriend and Im still a virgin because I know being unmarried Im not ready for the commitment of a child. When I bring a life into this world I want to be ready for it so itll have a chance to live a good life.

Oh yeah and a little off the subject: Mario GT, is that Florence KY your talking about? If so Im in Burlington lol
 
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