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So looking over some people's squads I noticed that some people have pokemon with absurd IVs. From my experience in the game catching or breeding pokemon and getting one with stats like those are just about impossible. So my question is: is there a breeding process you can go through that increases the probability of hatching a pokemon with several IVs in the high 20s to 31 range? If so, what is it?
I appreciate the help.
 
3 IVs from the parent Pokémon, chosen at random, will be handed on to the babies; so if you have two parents with IVs of 31/31/31/31/31/31 you can guarantee that your baby will have at least one 31. (It's possible the same stat will get chosen each of the three times, so you can't be certain of any more than that.) The IVs are chosen immediately after you take the egg, so you can save and reset the game a lot just before taking it to try and get better ones. Usually you can pass down one or two perfect IVs if you have a parent (say, Ditto) with perfect IVs in the stats you want and a fair amount of patience.

Alternatively, you can abuse the random number generator to try and obtain near perfect IVs, but it's a lot harder than the RNG abuse to get shinies/good natures as it involves changing the time/date and waiting for the correct time to start the game...
 
Haha, alright. I guess that makes sense. But I mean who has a pokemon with 31 across the board?
I think I get it though. So let's say you're breeding for an Alakazam and you want it to have 31 Special Attack and 31 Speed. The best chances of this happening is breeding two pokemon with 31 in Sp.Att column and 31 in the Speed column? Eventually you should get an offspring with 31 Sp.Att and 31 Speed. This might take a while haha.
On that note, how can you tell the hatchling's IVs at level 1? I mean after hatching there isn't as much variation in babies' stats.
 
To tell if they've got a perfect IV is easy enough by checking their Characteristic (the bit that says something like "Often dozes off" or what have you. There are six to watch out for, as they have the potential to be a 31:
HP Often dozes off
Att Likes to thrash about
Def Capable fo taking hits
Sp. Att Mischievous
Sp. Def Somewhat vain
Speed Alert to sounds

I think that's what it is, anyway... Those blurbs will mean that it has a stat of either 31, 26, 21, etc. in that category.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Characteristic

To further check, talk to the guy in the top right of the Battle Tower in platinum; he'll give a brief sum up of the total IVs, and tell you the best one (you need "it can't be better" for a 31.) If it has a tie for the top stat you might need to talk to him a few times to hear them all.

Or you can use rare candies and then reset or do a level 100 wifi battle to level them up and check.

There are a few useful things online; here's a calculator that works out the chance for a baby to have perfect IVs given the parents IVs:
http://users.smogon.com/X-Act/IVProbs.html

In your example of needing to pass on Speed and Sp. Att when one parent has each, it shows you'll need to breed 17 eggs on average to get it.
 
So that's what those characteristics are about. That's interesting. Thanks for answering my questions. Looks like I'll be spending a lot of time hatching eggs now.
 
also coming up in HG/SS you can supposedly guaruntee that the parents IV's in a particular stat will be passed down by giving one the EV doubling item for that stat for example the power bracer for attack.
 
To see the IVs of a level 1 Pokemon, use http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx.

Put in a Pokemon at level one and record its stats at every level after that. Use rare candies to level it without effort. Then reset. You should have a very very good idea of what your stats are by level 20.

Alternatively, use an auto-leveling battle, as was suggested before.
 
The IVs are chosen immediately after you take the egg,

Very weird...

I was under the impression a pokemon's stats (= IV's, nature, ability, gender, shiny value) were set when the egg was made, which is before you pick up the egg.

But I tested it just now, and I am confused. 4/4 times the gender, nature, ability, and shiny value were the same, but the characteristic (hints at IV's) were different each time.

So is it that just the IV's are set when the egg is picked up, or are all stats (nature, gender, etc) set when picking up the egg? I am trying to breed a female Modest Togepi, and I haven't gotten a female yet out of 15 or so.
 
If you're wanting shiny Pokemon from the egg, then I think this may help

Code:
•RNG Reporter Note to Mac Users: This software works under Windows and Linux. There is not a Macintosh version at this time.
•Your ID and SID for the game where you wish to hatch shinies. Your SID, or Secret ID, is not visible by normal means, but can be easily retrieved if you have a caught (non-chained) shiny and then by doing a bit of math or using the "IVs to PID" feature in RNG Reporter. Additionally, you can deduce your SID if you have between four and eight chained shinies by using the "Chain to SID" feature of RNG Reporter.
•The Happiness Checker (#6) Pokétch Application, which you recieve from a woman in the Eterna City PokéCenter.
•The Coin Flip (#15) Pokétch Application. You will find This application in the Valor Resort area, south of the woman who lost her key. Use Rock Climb, and go down to the house on the ledge. The man in the house will give you the application.
•Two compatible parents for breeding. An Everstone will NOT be helpful or necessary. Do not equip an Everstone.
Step by Step Instructions
Step 1
You will want to prepare by doing the following:

•Have a party of five Pokémon.
•Have compatible parents at the ready, but NOT in the daycare.
•Be standing near or on a place where Pokémon of level 50 or higher may be captured. It is important that there are no weather effects in the area where you plan to capture the Pokémon, as this will make it impossible to hatch a shiny Pokémon.
•Have the Pokétch application showing the app before the Happiness Checker application. This is important, as if you go through this with the Happiness Checker showing you will not get the expected results.
•Save your game.
Step 2
Reset your game, making a note of your DS date and time at the moment you hit A while on the "Continue" screen. You do NOT need to know this down to the second, only to the minute, so it should not be extremely difficult. The continue screen is shown above so there is no confusion.



Step 3
Catch a wild Pokémon of at least level 50.

Step 4
Using RNG Reporter, find your initial seed by clicking "DPPt Seed Finder".

Select the "Find Initial Seed by Stats" tab and then enter all of the required information.

Please note all fields in yellow on the following screens must be entered. Those not marked in yellow can be left blank, or at the default.

Fill in the date and time on your DS clock at the time you pressed "A" on the continue screen. Remember for the step above that "Hours" needs to be 0-23. That's a 24-hour clock. Make sure that you've done that part correctly or the results below will NOT be close to what you are looking for.

Enter in the stats, nature, species, and characteristic of the who Pokémon you captured in Step 3. When all of this information has been entered click the "Find" button.

Once you see an initial seed, and have clicked on it in the grid to select it, click 'OK' to populate the initial seed field in the main RNG Reporter window. Depending on how long you linger on the continue screen, you could have a higher value for the delay. This is OK. 

If no results are returned then you have not entered the correct nature, stats, or DS time.

Step 5
Now that you have a starting seed, select your method in RNG Reporter and select "DPPt Egg PID (Normal)" in the "Method" drop down box. 

NOTE: You may notice that there an option for "DPP Egg PID (International)" under the item that you are selecting. If you are breeding Pokémon of games that are in two different languages (such as a US Ditto with a Japanese Skitty) you should select this option. One foolproof way to test if two Pokémon are considered international is to attempt to breed them while the appropriate parent is holding an Everstone. If the Everstone does not work then you have international parents.

Enter your ID and SID and check the "Shiny Only" box.

Click "Generate" to display a list of shiny eggs.

You should reset and repeat the previous steps if you do not see a combination of nature, ability, and gender that you like, or if there are too many taps required. The ability and gender columns are explained in detail below.

Ability
Pokémon may have two possible abilities, one of which is often preferred. The "Ability" column is used to determine which ability your hatched Pokémon will have. As RNG Reporter does not know the Pokémon you are breeding, it simply lists them as "0" or "1". To convert these numbers to an actual ability, click the "Dex / IV Check" button in RNG Reporter and select the Pokémon you are breeding. Additionally, there is an online listing for Pokemon with multiple abilities in X-Act's article on PID Creation. 
Gender
There are four columns used to help you determine the gender of a Pokémon . This is necessary because gender is determined, in part, by the gender ratio of the Pokémon. Since RNG Reporter does not know the gender ratio of the Pokémon you are breeding, it lists what the gender will be for each of those four ratios.

Below is a listing of column headings in RNG Reporter and the specific genders that they apply to.

50%
50% female / 50% male
12.5%
12.5% female / 87.5% male
25%
25% female / 75% male
75%
75% female / 25% male
Step 6
Once you have decided on your spread, the number of times to exercise the Pokétch Applications will need to be determined. This is quite easy. Right click the nature in the listing and select "Calculate Pokétch Taps."

Make a note of the number of taps and coin flips before proceeding to the next step.

Step 7
At this point you should begin tapping both applications as many times as you were told to do so. A tap on the happiness checker is a double click that makes the Pokémon jump. It is recommended that you do the Happiness Checker Application taps first, as you will want to flip away from this Application when you are done to avoid automatically tripping it. Once you have completed this task advance to the next step.

It is important to remember to switch away from the Happiness Checker before proceeding to the next step!

Step 8
Proceed directly to the PC inside of the daycare. Don't worry if you have to fly to Solaceon, as this will not affect the IRNG. Gather the parents you are going to use, and finally place them into the daycare. Ride your bike until the daycare man is holding an egg.

Save the game, if you plan to soft reset for good IVs.

Collect and hatch to verify your shiny.

Troubleshooting
When first learning to hatch shiny Pokémon there are a number of common issues that many people encounter. This section deals with those common problems and the most likely solutions.

Problem
When attempting to find the initial seed, you are presented with this error message: "No reasonable initial seed found. Please check your DATE and TIME"
Cause
This problem is always caused when you enter a date and time into RNG Reporter which does not match the date and time on the Nintendo DS when the A button was pressed on the continue screen.
Solution
Verify that the date and time which you enter into RNG Reporter match the date and time on the Nintendo DS. Pay particular attention to the hour, which should be in 24 hour format. For more infomation you should read this article on the 24 hour clock.
Problem
Each time you collect an egg the Nature, Ability, and Gender are correct, but the Pokémon is not shiny.
Cause
This issue indicates that you have incorrectly entered the SID or ID into RNG Reporter.
Solution
Carefully verify your SID and ID and ensure that you have entered them correctly into RNG Reporter. It is important that they are both correct.
Problem
Each time you collect an egg the Nature, Ability, and Gender are incorrect.
Causes
There are a number of different issues which can lead to this issue. 
•One of the parent Pokémon is holding an everstone.
•You selected "DPPt Egg PID (International)" when the parents are not, in fact, of different languages. 
•You selected "DPPt Egg PID (Normal)" when the parents are, in fact, of different languages.
•You correctly selected "DPPt Egg PID (International)", but entered the SID or ID incorrectly.
•You made an error counting when using the Happiness application or Coin Flip application.
•The Happiness application was not closed immediately and you performed some other ingame action, such as flying or entering a building, while it was still open.
Solutions
•Remove the Everstone from the parent Pokémon.
•Be sure that the choice of international or normal is correct.
•Carefully verify your SID and ID and ensure that they are entered correctly into RNG Reporter. It is important that they are both correct.
•Be sure to carefully count the number of Happiness application taps and Coin Flip application taps.
•Be sure to only have the Happiness application open during the time when you are performing the taps.
Credit to Mingot for writing this.
 
Very weird...

I was under the impression a pokemon's stats (= IV's, nature, ability, gender, shiny value) were set when the egg was made, which is before you pick up the egg.

But I tested it just now, and I am confused. 4/4 times the gender, nature, ability, and shiny value were the same, but the characteristic (hints at IV's) were different each time.

So is it that just the IV's are set when the egg is picked up, or are all stats (nature, gender, etc) set when picking up the egg? I am trying to breed a female Modest Togepi, and I haven't gotten a female yet out of 15 or so.

The gender/nature/ability/shininess are all set when the egg is made; the IVs are set when it's picked up. So it's common to save just before picking the egg up, hatch it and see if it has the right gender/nature/etc; if it does, you can then start soft resetting for IVs, if not, you get another egg.

Or you can use the RNG; it's very easy to get exactly the gender, ability and nature you want this way.
 
also coming up in HG/SS you can supposedly guaruntee that the parents IV's in a particular stat will be passed down by giving one the EV doubling item for that stat for example the power bracer for attack.
I remember seeing that somewhere, but had no idea what that meant until just now. Breeding in HGSS must be much easier. Thing is, the only reason I made this thread is so that I can breed my party for HGSS ... fml.
 
The gender/nature/ability/shininess are all set when the egg is made; the IVs are set when it's picked up. So it's common to save just before picking the egg up, hatch it and see if it has the right gender/nature/etc; if it does, you can then start soft resetting for IVs, if not, you get another egg.

Or you can use the RNG; it's very easy to get exactly the gender, ability and nature you want this way.

Thanks, after testing it out it obviously appeared to be this way (IV and nature/ability/etc stuff). RNGing it is smart but this is just for in-game and all this wasted time prolongs the life of the game for me, so I'm fine with doing it like this.

Already solved my female Modest Togepi problem (fainted male Cute Charm Lopunny->chain Togepi until female Modest) so I'm good.
 
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