Brock...should he stay or should he go

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Ok, so I was talking to my brothers today about Brock. My brother(s) say they think Brock should leave next season because he is useless and hardly does anything. I personally think Brock is cool and a big brother figure to Ash and whoever is their current traveling friend.

What do you guys think?
 
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I think Brock has outlived his usefulness, especially as far as Ash is concerned.

It may be true that in the early days Ash needed all the help he could get from Brock and Misty. However, after the Johto League Silver Conference, when Misty and Brock left, everyone made all that noise about Ash finally being able to stand on his own. Then in the Hoenn region, he met May and immediately began to grow into the mentor role for her and Max. Then Brock came back, and Ash began periodically regressing back to his Season 1 persona, a trend that has continued to this day. I think as long as Brock sticks around, Ash will never be able to fully grow into himself as a trainer or as a mentor to whatever younger trainer tags along with him. Ash shouldn't need Brock anymore.

Plus, Brocks continued obsession with girls got old five seasons ago.
 
Maybe Brock should stay in the series. He's done a good job with keeping his traveling companions in line during arguments. He also gives good advice.

And yes, the fact that he repeatedly gets Poison Jabbed by Croagunk every time he falls in love is starting to get a bit old (but it's still hilarious).
 
If the oi taught us anything it's that people can survive without Brock. Anyway, I do think that Brock really isn't needed. Back in the early days ash was just starting out on his journey and the info that Brock gave was gold. Now it has been almost 4 regions and one half region and you are telling me that ash still does not know how to cook or take care of sick pokemon?
 
Darthbane2007 said:
If the oi taught us anything it's that people can survive without Brock. Anyway, I do think that Brock really isn't needed. Back in the early days ash was just starting out on his journey and the info that Brock gave was gold. Now it has been almost 4 regions and one half region and you are telling me that ash still does not know how to cook or take care of sick pokemon?
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Ash does know how to take care of his own Pokemon. I haven't seen him cook yet, but...

Anyway, what I'm saying is that Brock is one of the few people I know who can settle an argument involving Ash/Misty/May/Max/Dawn or whoever.
 
Another one of these threads? Really? What is with people's obsession to get rid of Brock? You know well enough that the writers feel that Brock is too important to leave... For one reason or another.

He's made himself too practical to leave. Simply put, he manages to make himself useful by being knowledgable about things that Ash and Dawn don't usually concern themselves with, leaving them free for honing their battling and contest skills.

He could leave, but then Ash and Dawn would have to concentrate on trying to live on their own (They are still 10 according to the show after all) Rather then to concentrate on training their Pokémon.

And don't you think that they'll promptly ignore it either. It's also, according to the show's logic, impolite to constantly mooch off Pokémon Centers all the time either.
 
Takeshi may not be active in many battles, but he's still a necessary character. He's the cook, obviously, but more than that, he's also the wisest member of the group. Satoshi knows a lot, definitely more than he did when he started out, but he still doesn't know everything. And Hikari is obviously still learning too. Takeshi has been around - he's a little older, and he looks out for his friends. He provides an important balance in the character dynamic on this show. When Satoshi or Hikari encounter a problem, Takeshi is there to help them solve it. He's like a mentor to both of them, in a way.

And I don't care what anyone says. No matter how many women Takeshi goes ga-ga for, and no matter how many times it earns him Gureggu's Poison Jab in the ribs, it'll still make me laugh.
 
Brock's okay, but he's not needed anymore. What we need is to have a mini-Ash or something come in... I don't know... I just think Brock just needs to leave. They replaced all the girls with no reason so they can do the same thing to Brock.
 
Well since Ash has been 10 for the past 10 years I don't put it past him that he hasn't learned to cook yet XP Or Brock's just better at it.
Not to mention Brock is the one of his travel companions who's been with him the longest (second to Pikachu) so they'd probably miss each other if he went away...like he missed Misty or all the Pokèmon he keeps leaving behind...never mind.
 
Jesse GS the II said:
And I don't care what anyone says. No matter how many women Takeshi goes ga-ga for, and no matter how many times it earns him Gureggu's Poison Jab in the ribs, it'll still make me laugh.
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Croagunk probably won't be around next region.
 
In an episode, ol' Brocko gets hardly any dialogue. We have 'Hi, COTD. My name is Brock', 'LOOK! Team Rocket!', and 'The next town is bla bla bla...'.
 
Scott85 said:
Croagunk probably won't be around next region.
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Brock generally brings one old Pokemon with him each region. In Hoenn he had Foretress, in Sinnoh it was Bonsly/Sudowudo. I wouldn't be surpised to see Croagunk again.

I know a lot of people want Brock gone, but personally I quite like him as a part of the group. All the writers need to do is manage him a bit better.
 
Matkin22 said:
I know a lot of people want Brock gone, but personally I quite like him as a part of the group. All the writers need to do is manage him a bit better.
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Haven't we been saying that for like 10 years, and it never happened?
 
Dunno if it's been quite that long, but the writers repeatedly learn as the series progresses. I wouldn't be surprised if Brock has a bit more importance next saga if they bring him back. Having a role in the Galactic finale is already a big step up from what it was before.
 
Brock should stay, he's a badass. It's dumbass Dawn who should take a hike.
 
If Brock stays for next gen - I totally see him keeping Croagunk
Croagunk is now for Brock what Pika and Pip are to Ash and Dawn
Even if Croagunk isn't his first Poké, he IS Brock's mascot and main Poké... I doubt Brock will ever leave Croagunk
Anyway, I do hope Brock leave at the end of this gen (or even at the end of Sinnoh itself)
Since AG started Ash is playing the role of a "big brother" to the beginners and he's already a mature experienced trainer himself so he doesn't need such "big brother" to himself anymore

New main characters + COTDs + Pokédex + Poké-gear/nav/tch-like item + Ash's knowledge by then -- all of that can be enough to fill the information role, it's not like Brock is the only one who can do this

Food-wise:
1. They survived in Orange without him, that proves he's NOT that necessary...
2. It could be nice to see Ash's character develope and mature even more by having him learn how to make some food to himself rather than rely on a a servant (seriously, Ash CAN make a simple sandwich or something if he won't be so lazy)
3. Dawn can make Poffin for Pokémon, she can also make pancakes (and actually, Pikachu seems to be able to make them too, or at least help to make them) and she knows how to mash berries for sick Pokémon... she might know more than that too
4. New sidekicks can know how to cook too, it's not something exclusive to Brock... and no, it won't be a "clone" of Brock... especially if he's not a "great chef" but simply can make decent food
5. The twerps can buy Pokémon food in stores (despite having Brock around, Ash asked Dawn in DP39 if they should buy a certain Poké food for the Poké)
6. The twerps can buy food for themselves as seen countless times
7. Both Poké food and human food is available for free at all Poké Centers
8. A lot of COTDs often let the twerps eat at their home (see Jenny in the Darkrai episode)

And about taking care of sick Poké, the Pachi ep proved Ash and Dawn did learn from Brock... not enough to solve that certain case but they did remember to search for Oran Berry... and Brock did explain them they should know that stuff and that they might not be with him one day when such things happen - Dawn proved she learned from her mistakes and all by herself helped her hurt Mamoswine... so Ash can do the same

So no, Brock is NOT needed
He's an entertaining character when the writers focus on him, otherwise he's pretty boring now
I'd like him to leave but I'm not sure if the writers would like to do that... anyway, as I said tons of times before, my ideal next gen group would be: Ash and Dawn as the stars and the next gen boy and girl player characters as sidekicks, the girl being a tomboy (opposite of Dawn) and the boy a cold one similar to Paul or a sensitive/nerd one (opposite of Ash)
 
PDL said:
Another one of these threads? Really? What is with people's obsession to get rid of Brock? You know well enough that the writers feel that Brock is too important to leave... For one reason or another.

He's made himself too practical to leave. Simply put, he manages to make himself useful by being knowledgable about things that Ash and Dawn don't usually concern themselves with, leaving them free for honing their battling and contest skills.

He could leave, but then Ash and Dawn would have to concentrate on trying to live on their own (They are still 10 according to the show after all) Rather then to concentrate on training their Pokémon.

And don't you think that they'll promptly ignore it either. It's also, according to the show's logic, impolite to constantly mooch off Pokémon Centers all the time either.
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If the OI can have them survive without Brock, they can have do the same in an entire series.

That reminds me, if anyone had to leave permanently after Johto in regards to gym duties, it should have been Brock. I mean, unlike Cerulean Gym, Pewter Gym would not have survived the PIA inspections even without the zero-tolerance policy, as

a. Brock's dad basically ditched Gym duties when his wife returned, and it led to far worse than what Cerulean had to endure in terms of what it could take for a gym to shut down.

b. Brock's mom ruined the gym in regards to the decorations (they were horrible), and when she decided to make a pool in what was the Rock Pokemon's pool, some of the rock pokemon nearly drowned. Those things alone would make the gym "unsafe" and "uncool", to use the statement about what needs to be passed to ensure that it stays in business according to Cerulean Blues. Not only that, but she ended up doing it twice, with the Paint job being in an even WORSE state than before. What's worse is that she accepted plane tickets from strangers (the painters, who were TR and actually planning to rob the Gym), and the same strangers then nearly tried to steal all of their pokemon.

c. Forrest also failed to see the best interests of the Gym. If I were him and Lola did that, I would have not only not allowed the painters to basically graffiti the gym, I'd also kick my mom out to prevent her from tarnishing the gym even further. Also, he didn't even bother fighting them (I mean, come on! Forrest, you're a gym leader, so you should accept their challenge, at least.)

The four things that shut down a Gym (according to Cerulean Blues) are:

1. The Gym is unclean

2. The Gym is unsafe

3. The Gym is uncool

4. The Gym Leader is not present, and doesn't have a substitue attending the Gym in the event that he/she is away.

It needs to pass all subjects (Cleanliness, Safety, Coolness, and attendance) in order to keep it in. I had experience with Driving Tests, and I got 1/3 right with the test (I failed Parallel Parking and Backing into a parking space), and evidentally, I don't have my license. The same would apply to Gym Evaluation, as you need to have high marks to even pass. Even 2/3rds isn't enough.

I mean, if you ask me, how Daisy, Lily, and Violet running Cerulean Gym was FAR better than how Lily and Forrest had run Pewter Gym.
 
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