Misty
I'm the TRASH MAN! I eat GAHBAGE!
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Editor's note: Significant edits have been made to this log, to clean it up and ensure that only the important information is shown, as there's a lot of it as is and it doesn't need to be overwhelmed by usual chatting BS. If you notice some part of the chatting that looks a little "off", sorry, I tried to keep it relatively normal but I'm not perfect. Obviously, if you were part of the chat, you'll see many of these edits, but I made sure to keep everything important. It's still a bit of a wall of text, but that can't be helped.
[06:24:37] * Joins: evkl ([email protected])
[06:25:21] (evkl) So would someone care to fill me in?
[06:25:53] (@Misty) Basically we've just been discussing the same ol', same ol', mainly because we've lacked an admin to really make any decisions go forward
[06:26:08] (evkl) Well, tell me about it.
[06:26:29] (@Misty) There's the board densification bit, you can read my revised topic in Assembly
[06:26:36] (@Misty) There's also the whole unification bit
[06:26:50] (evkl) well the board densification is a given, it's just what gets densified.
[06:27:03] (%Pie) Yeah really
[06:27:15] (%Pie) The Forums front page is way too long.
[06:27:20] (@Misty) Hee hee! Archaic's on
[06:27:24] (@Misty) Alright, now we can get somewhere
[06:27:30] (%Pie) Even for my tastes, and I can deal with long things.
[06:27:54] (evkl) Lemme read your topic, misty.
[06:28:11] * Joins: Archaic ([email protected])
[06:28:11] * Bulbagarden sets mode: +qo Archaic Archaic
[06:28:39] (@Misty) Alright, front page
[06:28:52] (@Misty) At the moment both JKaizer and Zhenlin have working ideas
[06:28:59] (@Misty) but neither is really skinned or in full usable format
[06:29:05] (%Pie) Format-wise, I actually like Zhen's. I think he needs to be more leniant about changing it.
[06:29:07] (@Misty) So we'll have to wait on that
[06:29:19] (+evkl) Zhen is never lenient.
[06:29:26] (%Pie) Because white doesn't look good on it at all.
[06:29:34] (%Pie) It looks... barren. Cold.
[06:29:40] (%Pie) Uninspired.
[06:29:44] (@Misty) I agree. I like white myself but it's not BMG.
[06:29:50] (@Misty) We need unity.
[06:29:56] (%Pie) It needs a border, at least, to give it a big hug. =(
[06:29:58] (+evkl) The blues are kind of grating.
[06:30:09] (%Pie) I think mellow greens might be a good way to go.
[06:30:12] (+evkl) I do agree with Zhen that the white is very pure and clean--but it does need more in the way of life and color.
[06:30:21] (%Pie) Maybe bluer ones than the Spring ones, but something green.
[06:30:30] (%Pie) After all, green = life
[06:30:34] (%Pie) And life = what we need
[06:30:36] (@Kasumi) I agree
[06:30:43] (+Swifty) But teh green fourm!
[06:30:45] (@Misty) Just remember that if we're TOO green we come off as an SPP clone
[06:30:49] (@Kasumi) White is too bland for my tastes
[06:30:49] (%Pie) Not Serebii green.
[06:30:55] (+evkl) please God not serebii green
[06:30:58] (%Pie) Hence why I'm advocating lighter green
[06:31:01] (%Pie) And no gray
[06:31:08] (@Misty) Blue/green works, I think.
[06:31:16] (%Pie) Olive green + dark gray = ???
[06:31:20] (@Kasumi) I'm emo because people ditched my colour schemes
[06:31:26] (@Misty) Maybe more green than the forums are
[06:31:37] (%Pie) I'm getting along a lot better with Serebii, but I can't say I like his taste in colors.
[06:31:46] (%Pie) And I love green. Especially olive green. o_o'
[06:31:47] (@Misty) But we should make sure to have a forum skin to reflect whatever the front page is like
[06:31:57] (%Pie) That shouldn't be too much of a problem.
[06:32:01] (@Misty) Indeed.
[06:32:10] (%Pie) The problem is getting a wiki skin to reflect it, since Zhen's like "No".
[06:32:21] (@Misty) Same with News.
[06:32:30] (%Pie) Even though his look is the wiki look, and we want our own identity.
[06:32:51] (+evkl) I think you have a few issues playing at once here.
[06:32:51] (@Misty) chaos is right in this instance - we need to not be another Wikipedia. Wikipedia exists for this purpose
[06:33:03] (@Misty) Wikipedia already has Pokemon articles, even
[06:33:06] (+evkl) On one hand, we can't be all-white.
[06:33:18] (+evkl) On the other, the current NeoClassic blues--I'm not thrilled with.
[06:33:28] (+evkl) They're okay, but I think the softer colors are easier on the eyes.
[06:33:29] (%Pie) I like them, but I prefer the Springs.
[06:33:33] (@Kasumi) NeoClassic is too dark
[06:33:48] * DoctorOak likes the bulba spring one
[06:33:49] (%Pie) I wanna redo the Spring banner, make it cleaner.
[06:33:56] (+JKaizer) neoclassic is the only bmg skin that dosn't burn my eyes
[06:33:56] (@Archaic) We need to decide on one overarching colour scheme that can be made as the default for the entire site.
[06:33:59] (%Pie) It's my favorite. (3
[06:34:13] (+evkl) I think we need to strike a compromise between the dark hues of neoclassic and the polished, medical look of Zhen.
[06:34:13] (@Misty) Of course, I have no objection to having multiple skins
[06:34:15] (@Kasumi) Pie: we can draw something special for that then.
[06:34:16] (+JKaizer) spring is just TOO light
[06:34:25] (@Misty) if the wiki has an optional skin to look like Wikipedia, that's fine
[06:34:29] (%Pie) I was hoping to do such
[06:34:30] (@Misty) but the default should be our own
[06:34:39] (%Pie) I have the skills of an arteest after all XD
[06:34:45] (@Kasumi) XD
[06:34:52] (@Kasumi) I don't have skeelz
[06:34:53] (%Pie) One big problem
[06:34:57] (@Misty) Kasumi )) Yes you do
[06:34:59] (@Misty) Shh.
[06:35:02] (+evkl) I think if we combine blues that lack contrast but have darkness, greens, and whites
[06:35:03] (+evkl) we'll be fine.
[06:35:04] (%Pie) When someone tried to make a skin that looked like the Neoclassic
[06:35:06] (@Kasumi) shuddup Misty
[06:35:07] * +JKaizer needs to skin my own two wikis
[06:35:07] (@Archaic) Did everyone see the old front page I linked to in the thread?
[06:35:12] (@Misty) Yeah
[06:35:20] (@Kasumi) nope
[06:35:20] (+JKaizer) the one that i worked on~?
[06:35:22] (@Kasumi) ^^;
[06:35:23] (@Archaic) How about that colour scheme, or something like it?
[06:35:24] (%Pie) Zhen said something about how it was too different and how they shouldn't have to change the tables to match it
[06:35:36] (@Misty) That's too... blah, I think. It's too white.
[06:35:52] (@Kasumi) because it's a placeholder, Misty
[06:35:54] (@Archaic) There's white for the main content area, but not for the rest. It's a lot more balanced.
[06:35:59] (@Misty) Eh.
[06:36:05] (%Pie) I would not miss any white being removed from Bulbagarden in its entirety.
[06:36:12] (%Pie) But I like pastels, so I'm biased.
[06:36:14] (%Pie) XD
[06:36:18] (+evkl) What's wrong with the white guy, huh?
[06:36:20] (+evkl) Huh?
[06:36:20] (+evkl) Huh?
[06:36:21] (+evkl)
[06:36:22] (@Misty) chaos looked at JKaizer's layout edit (with the color scheme in place) and thought it looked "eh"
[06:36:31] (%Pie) Every white could become a pastel
[06:36:32] (@Kasumi) white man can't jump
[06:36:35] (+evkl) Why don't we just get everyone artistically inclined
[06:36:39] (+evkl) and have them all do their own schemes
[06:36:40] (@Misty) Not that chaos's opinion is necessarily fact
[06:36:43] (@Archaic) I like white personally, but not when used for everything under the sun.
[06:36:49] (+evkl) and from there decide
[06:36:53] (+evkl) because speaking in generalities about color
[06:36:59] (%Pie) That's the only problem with Zhen's.
[06:36:59] (@Misty) ... I like evan's idea
[06:37:01] (+evkl) is not going to allow any progress to be made.
[06:37:04] (%Pie) It's *way too* white.
[06:37:15] (+JKaizer) (+evkl) and have them all do their own schemes (-- because if it isn't picked, that's a wasted effort for the others
[06:37:18] (%Pie) The format, I admit, I enjoy a lot.
[06:37:20] (DoctorOak) Zehns is also designed for people with large monitors
[06:37:22] (+evkl) like, it's great that we all agree bmg should have some form of green and blue and white and similar colors
[06:37:26] (DoctorOak) *zhen
[06:37:34] (%Pie) True. There needs to be a condensed version
[06:37:35] (DoctorOak) when the majority of net users still only have 800x600 screens
[06:37:36] (+evkl) but really now we can put words to action a little.
[06:37:40] (@Misty) JKaizer )) The other layouts aren't necessarily wasted
[06:37:45] (@Misty) we could use optional skins if possible
[06:37:48] (@Kasumi) I personally like JKaizer's main page proposal, with another banner of course
[06:37:48] (%Pie) I have a big monitor, and even I think it looks too stretched out
[06:38:02] (+evkl) fitting 800x600 is tough, many sights optimize with the 12x7
[06:38:05] (+evkl) *sites
[06:38:08] * Joins: Sakurabisu ([email protected])
[06:38:14] (@Archaic) I enjoy the format of Zhen's proposed front page as well. It does need to be altered to use percentages so it can be viewed on any monitor however.
[06:38:31] (%Pie) I think we could easily shrink those buttons.
[06:38:32] (@Kasumi) hi
[06:38:36] (Eevee04) yes, percentages are better then absoloutes
[06:38:44] (@Misty) I have a standard 1024x768 resolution with Firefox and it looks fine to me
[06:38:45] (+evkl) Okay, so now that we agree on the form of this in general, can we also agree that color schemes need drawn up by those who can do such things
[06:38:49] (+JKaizer) but i have toolbars on both sides
[06:38:53] (+evkl) and from there move on to the next topic?
[06:38:58] (+evkl) because like, if you want to make progress
[06:39:01] * @Archaic uses 1280x1024
[06:39:02] (+evkl) you cannot harp on the shade of blue you want to use
[06:39:06] (@Misty) lol
[06:39:07] * +evkl uses 1024x768
[06:39:08] (@Misty) Agreed with evan.
[06:39:26] (%nYoo) I use 1152x864 :O
[06:40:03] (@Misty) evan )) We should at least support 800x600.
[06:40:06] (+evkl) I know.
[06:40:34] (+evkl) Next order of business.
[06:40:37] (Eevee04) 800x600 should most definently be supported, i run that format, and only for the fact its the only drivers I can get.
[06:40:53] (@Archaic) Okay, so are we agreed on this? Zhen's general layout is the way to go, but it does need some slight modifications so it'll work with all resolution sizes down to 800x600, and a colour scheme with a little less white?
[06:41:01] (+evkl) Yes yes yes and yes.
[06:41:11] (%Pie) Yes.
[06:41:14] (@Misty) Sounds good.
[06:41:19] (%nYoo) min-width: 750px;
[06:41:21] (%Pie) And it needs a place for the affiliate buttons.
[06:41:37] (+evkl) Misty, in response to your proposal, a few things.
[06:42:10] (@Misty) evan )) Shoot.
[06:42:34] (+evkl) We do kill senate/assembly/etc and merge into one forum.
[06:42:43] (+evkl) We also let the 'Cast and 'pedia be subforums of that.
[06:43:03] (@Misty) I dislike subforums. I actually forgot there was a 'pedia forum.
[06:43:07] (+evkl) 'Cast announcements go up in a News which we keep. News becomes home to all news discussions.
[06:43:27] (@Archaic) Subforums are a good way to balance directed discussion with general discussion.
[06:43:30] (+evkl) Like, that entire idea of 'announcing in news then locking and having them fly to the respective forum to post' requires too much user effort.
[06:43:50] (+evkl) obviously a more indepth discussion may be spawned about a new AG episode in the anime forum
[06:44:00] (+evkl) but for cursory comments and such news should most certainly remain open.
[06:44:08] (+evkl) Merge world, agreed.
[06:44:14] (+evkl) Keep fanart and fic seperate.
[06:44:17] (%Pie) World has to be merged.
[06:44:19] (%Pie) That is a given.
[06:44:40] (%Pie) And I agree, fanart and fanfic are two very different things.
[06:44:43] (+evkl) I think you really just can't kill manga and TCG
[06:44:57] (+evkl) while they are small to the point of nonexistance--unless we did recreate general pkmn discussion
[06:44:57] (@Kasumi) Not really, imo.
[06:45:12] (+evkl) in which case we could let it slide, but they'd be awkward and out of place there, methinks.
[06:45:46] (@Archaic) I think we do need to recreate the general discussion.
[06:45:49] (+evkl) mind and roleplaying games get merged into one
[06:45:52] (+evkl) *and party
[06:45:57] (+evkl) even though rpgs are essentially dead
[06:46:03] (@Archaic) I've had several topics recently that I had no idea where to place them.
[06:46:06] (+Swifty) YES YES! General discussion!
[06:46:07] (@Kasumi) I agree. It would seem odd to have Manga and TCG discussions on General Pokemon.
[06:46:15] (+evkl) dg,pasbl,etc stay obviously.
[06:46:19] (@Kasumi) *discussuin
[06:46:20] (@Misty) Alright.
[06:46:23] (+evkl) tower of bulba -) misc
[06:46:25] (@Kasumi) *discussion
[06:46:39] (+evkl) creative corner splits to fanart and fanfic
[06:46:41] (+evkl) which become more inclusive
[06:46:44] (+evkl) as does multimedia
[06:46:51] (@Misty) Yes.
[06:46:55] (%Pie) Yeah.
[06:47:01] (+evkl) entertainment goes into the new tech forum
[06:47:06] (@Kasumi) so everything fanart goes into one forum?
[06:47:07] (%Pie) Much as I like Multimedia and running it solo
[06:47:08] (+evkl) which becomes a general recreation/tech/games/web forum
[06:47:19] (%Pie) It doesn't get much activity, and I'm not sure if it ever will.
[06:47:20] (+evkl) aka the geeky misc
[06:47:33] (@Kasumi) Geeky Misc. I like that name.
[06:47:43] (@Misty) Eh, we had a discussion about that. Entertainment and Technology are kind of baaaaarely related, and considering how much we're merging into them there's still the possibility that they can generate discussion on their own.
[06:47:45] (%Pie) Yay geekiness
[06:47:48] (+Swifty) I say General recreation/tech/games go into a general discussion forum.
[06:48:00] (+JKaizer) Please keep Tech and Ent seperate
[06:48:13] (@Misty) I think we should keep them seperate for now and see what develops
[06:48:19] (+JKaizer) Tech - computers, multimedia, websites, etc.
[06:48:21] (+evkl) well, at least all techs need merged
[06:48:23] (@Misty) Yes
[06:48:25] (+JKaizer) ent - books, music, tv, games, etvc
[06:48:25] (@Kasumi) tech/games and web merged are fin
[06:48:25] (@Misty) That I agree with
[06:48:26] (@Archaic) So were recreating the S.H.I.T forum from days gone past? (System of Highly Interactive Technologies)
[06:48:28] (@Kasumi) *fine
[06:48:35] (@Archaic) * we're
[06:48:38] (@Kasumi) SHIT? XD
[06:48:42] (@Misty) Archaic )) Nice acronym there
[06:48:43] (+evkl) comics corner needs to die
[06:48:45] (+evkl) perhaps merging with manga
[06:48:47] * Bulbagarden sets mode: +h Pie
[06:48:47] (+evkl) for an all-comics forum
[06:48:49] (%Pie) By the way I hate my connection.
[06:48:49] (@Archaic) It's not mine.
[06:48:51] (+evkl) which may get some modium of activity
[06:48:53] (%Pie) Whah?
[06:48:55] (%Pie) What about SHIT?
[06:48:55] (@Misty) ... Hey, merging comics and manga
[06:48:58] (@Misty) I never thought of that
[06:49:04] (GrnMarvl13) what's this about killing the comics?
[06:49:06] (+evkl) and then from there including non american comics
[06:49:07] (+evkl) aka manga
[06:49:11] (%Pie) XD
[06:49:19] (@Kasumi) Uh oh. I feel GrnMarvl13's rage rising
[06:49:21] (@Archaic) Comics isn't getting any real discussion ATM.
[06:49:32] (@Misty) I kind of agree. Ledian X was the one spearheading that forum
[06:49:32] (GrnMarvl13) it has its peaks, like any other forum
[06:49:34] (+evkl) i'm giving it discussion, Arcy--I think it's a valid point that we only have one CCC.
[06:49:36] (@Misty) And now he's gone
[06:50:02] (+evkl) and while it does get discussion and so many of our forums do have good days where they get one or two dozen posts--does that justify things?
[06:50:02] (GrnMarvl13) I'm spearheading, I'm posting, I'm spurring activity
[06:50:33] (@Archaic) But you're not getting the activity, which is the problem.
[06:50:56] (@Archaic) It should probably be merged back into Misc for now, and seperated into a sub-forum again if a lot of comics topics get posted.
[06:51:12] (GrnMarvl13) I'm not against it being remerged with misc.
[06:51:16] (%Pie) I think CCCs were a failed idea. They could've worked if we actually made it more clear people could request 'em and we didn't shoot down a lot of requests.
[06:51:16] (@Misty) Okay.
[06:51:17] (@Kasumi) Then it should be in entertaiment, not Misc
[06:51:18] (GrnMarvl13) but I'd prefer a trial subforum
[06:51:20] (+evkl) Well, then why not putting it with manga?
[06:51:25] (@Misty) Pie )) That's the problem
[06:51:28] (@Misty) We didn't make it clear
[06:51:29] (GrnMarvl13) if it continues to lack activity, then kill the subforum
[06:51:30] (+evkl) Alex has an even better point.
[06:51:31] (@Misty) We should make it clear
[06:51:43] (%Pie) (=(
[06:51:49] (@Misty) lol
[06:52:18] (+evkl) so my proposal leaves us with:
[06:52:44] (+Koroku) i think removing uppers as mods in forums would be good too
[06:52:55] (+Koroku) as it would shorten the staff page and make it less intimidating
[06:53:03] (@Misty) We do have too many staff.
[06:53:13] (@Misty) The forum cuts should lighten that
[06:53:33] (+Koroku) #PM should be taken off the staff list too
[06:53:42] (+Koroku) because they're listed as mods of the #PM forum
[06:53:50] (@Archaic) #pm are on the affiliate list.
[06:53:51] (+Koroku) no need to have the group listed there as well
[06:53:53] (%Pie) How many inactive mods do we have?
[06:53:55] (+evkl) site discussion, news, world, pkmn general, pkmn video games, pkmn anime, art, fic, (manga/tcg?), games, dgetc, entertainment, geekymisc, misc, debate
[06:53:59] (@Archaic) They're mnods withot being part of the mod usergroup.
[06:54:05] (@Archaic) * mods
[06:54:17] (+evkl) that's anywhere from 14 to 17 forums
[06:54:21] (+Koroku) they still show in the "Moderators" section of the staff page
[06:54:26] (@Misty) Sounds about like what I wanted
[06:54:29] (@Misty) Looks good
[06:54:35] (+Koroku) and then are shown again in the [HASHTAG]#PocketMonsters[/HASHTAG] group listing
[06:55:02] (+evkl) Any other serious orders of business? We'll hash out the difficult forum cuts over the next few days, but most are agreed-upon, no?
[06:55:12] (@Misty) I believe so
[06:55:16] * @Kasumi agrees with Evan's proposal
[06:55:26] (+Koroku) sure
Edit: Fixed the log. <evkl> is not an HTML tag, stupid browsers.
[06:24:37] * Joins: evkl ([email protected])
[06:25:21] (evkl) So would someone care to fill me in?
[06:25:53] (@Misty) Basically we've just been discussing the same ol', same ol', mainly because we've lacked an admin to really make any decisions go forward
[06:26:08] (evkl) Well, tell me about it.
[06:26:29] (@Misty) There's the board densification bit, you can read my revised topic in Assembly
[06:26:36] (@Misty) There's also the whole unification bit
[06:26:50] (evkl) well the board densification is a given, it's just what gets densified.
[06:27:03] (%Pie) Yeah really
[06:27:15] (%Pie) The Forums front page is way too long.
[06:27:20] (@Misty) Hee hee! Archaic's on
[06:27:24] (@Misty) Alright, now we can get somewhere
[06:27:30] (%Pie) Even for my tastes, and I can deal with long things.
[06:27:54] (evkl) Lemme read your topic, misty.
[06:28:11] * Joins: Archaic ([email protected])
[06:28:11] * Bulbagarden sets mode: +qo Archaic Archaic
[06:28:39] (@Misty) Alright, front page
[06:28:52] (@Misty) At the moment both JKaizer and Zhenlin have working ideas
[06:28:59] (@Misty) but neither is really skinned or in full usable format
[06:29:05] (%Pie) Format-wise, I actually like Zhen's. I think he needs to be more leniant about changing it.
[06:29:07] (@Misty) So we'll have to wait on that
[06:29:19] (+evkl) Zhen is never lenient.
[06:29:26] (%Pie) Because white doesn't look good on it at all.
[06:29:34] (%Pie) It looks... barren. Cold.
[06:29:40] (%Pie) Uninspired.
[06:29:44] (@Misty) I agree. I like white myself but it's not BMG.
[06:29:50] (@Misty) We need unity.
[06:29:56] (%Pie) It needs a border, at least, to give it a big hug. =(
[06:29:58] (+evkl) The blues are kind of grating.
[06:30:09] (%Pie) I think mellow greens might be a good way to go.
[06:30:12] (+evkl) I do agree with Zhen that the white is very pure and clean--but it does need more in the way of life and color.
[06:30:21] (%Pie) Maybe bluer ones than the Spring ones, but something green.
[06:30:30] (%Pie) After all, green = life
[06:30:34] (%Pie) And life = what we need
[06:30:36] (@Kasumi) I agree
[06:30:43] (+Swifty) But teh green fourm!
[06:30:45] (@Misty) Just remember that if we're TOO green we come off as an SPP clone
[06:30:49] (@Kasumi) White is too bland for my tastes
[06:30:49] (%Pie) Not Serebii green.
[06:30:55] (+evkl) please God not serebii green
[06:30:58] (%Pie) Hence why I'm advocating lighter green
[06:31:01] (%Pie) And no gray
[06:31:08] (@Misty) Blue/green works, I think.
[06:31:16] (%Pie) Olive green + dark gray = ???
[06:31:20] (@Kasumi) I'm emo because people ditched my colour schemes
[06:31:26] (@Misty) Maybe more green than the forums are
[06:31:37] (%Pie) I'm getting along a lot better with Serebii, but I can't say I like his taste in colors.
[06:31:46] (%Pie) And I love green. Especially olive green. o_o'
[06:31:47] (@Misty) But we should make sure to have a forum skin to reflect whatever the front page is like
[06:31:57] (%Pie) That shouldn't be too much of a problem.
[06:32:01] (@Misty) Indeed.
[06:32:10] (%Pie) The problem is getting a wiki skin to reflect it, since Zhen's like "No".
[06:32:21] (@Misty) Same with News.
[06:32:30] (%Pie) Even though his look is the wiki look, and we want our own identity.
[06:32:51] (+evkl) I think you have a few issues playing at once here.
[06:32:51] (@Misty) chaos is right in this instance - we need to not be another Wikipedia. Wikipedia exists for this purpose
[06:33:03] (@Misty) Wikipedia already has Pokemon articles, even
[06:33:06] (+evkl) On one hand, we can't be all-white.
[06:33:18] (+evkl) On the other, the current NeoClassic blues--I'm not thrilled with.
[06:33:28] (+evkl) They're okay, but I think the softer colors are easier on the eyes.
[06:33:29] (%Pie) I like them, but I prefer the Springs.
[06:33:33] (@Kasumi) NeoClassic is too dark
[06:33:48] * DoctorOak likes the bulba spring one
[06:33:49] (%Pie) I wanna redo the Spring banner, make it cleaner.
[06:33:56] (+JKaizer) neoclassic is the only bmg skin that dosn't burn my eyes
[06:33:56] (@Archaic) We need to decide on one overarching colour scheme that can be made as the default for the entire site.
[06:33:59] (%Pie) It's my favorite. (3
[06:34:13] (+evkl) I think we need to strike a compromise between the dark hues of neoclassic and the polished, medical look of Zhen.
[06:34:13] (@Misty) Of course, I have no objection to having multiple skins
[06:34:15] (@Kasumi) Pie: we can draw something special for that then.
[06:34:16] (+JKaizer) spring is just TOO light
[06:34:25] (@Misty) if the wiki has an optional skin to look like Wikipedia, that's fine
[06:34:29] (%Pie) I was hoping to do such
[06:34:30] (@Misty) but the default should be our own
[06:34:39] (%Pie) I have the skills of an arteest after all XD
[06:34:45] (@Kasumi) XD
[06:34:52] (@Kasumi) I don't have skeelz
[06:34:53] (%Pie) One big problem
[06:34:57] (@Misty) Kasumi )) Yes you do
[06:34:59] (@Misty) Shh.
[06:35:02] (+evkl) I think if we combine blues that lack contrast but have darkness, greens, and whites
[06:35:03] (+evkl) we'll be fine.
[06:35:04] (%Pie) When someone tried to make a skin that looked like the Neoclassic
[06:35:06] (@Kasumi) shuddup Misty
[06:35:07] * +JKaizer needs to skin my own two wikis
[06:35:07] (@Archaic) Did everyone see the old front page I linked to in the thread?
[06:35:12] (@Misty) Yeah
[06:35:20] (@Kasumi) nope
[06:35:20] (+JKaizer) the one that i worked on~?
[06:35:22] (@Kasumi) ^^;
[06:35:23] (@Archaic) How about that colour scheme, or something like it?
[06:35:24] (%Pie) Zhen said something about how it was too different and how they shouldn't have to change the tables to match it
[06:35:36] (@Misty) That's too... blah, I think. It's too white.
[06:35:52] (@Kasumi) because it's a placeholder, Misty
[06:35:54] (@Archaic) There's white for the main content area, but not for the rest. It's a lot more balanced.
[06:35:59] (@Misty) Eh.
[06:36:05] (%Pie) I would not miss any white being removed from Bulbagarden in its entirety.
[06:36:12] (%Pie) But I like pastels, so I'm biased.
[06:36:14] (%Pie) XD
[06:36:18] (+evkl) What's wrong with the white guy, huh?
[06:36:20] (+evkl) Huh?
[06:36:20] (+evkl) Huh?
[06:36:21] (+evkl)
[06:36:22] (@Misty) chaos looked at JKaizer's layout edit (with the color scheme in place) and thought it looked "eh"
[06:36:31] (%Pie) Every white could become a pastel
[06:36:32] (@Kasumi) white man can't jump
[06:36:35] (+evkl) Why don't we just get everyone artistically inclined
[06:36:39] (+evkl) and have them all do their own schemes
[06:36:40] (@Misty) Not that chaos's opinion is necessarily fact
[06:36:43] (@Archaic) I like white personally, but not when used for everything under the sun.
[06:36:49] (+evkl) and from there decide
[06:36:53] (+evkl) because speaking in generalities about color
[06:36:59] (%Pie) That's the only problem with Zhen's.
[06:36:59] (@Misty) ... I like evan's idea
[06:37:01] (+evkl) is not going to allow any progress to be made.
[06:37:04] (%Pie) It's *way too* white.
[06:37:15] (+JKaizer) (+evkl) and have them all do their own schemes (-- because if it isn't picked, that's a wasted effort for the others
[06:37:18] (%Pie) The format, I admit, I enjoy a lot.
[06:37:20] (DoctorOak) Zehns is also designed for people with large monitors
[06:37:22] (+evkl) like, it's great that we all agree bmg should have some form of green and blue and white and similar colors
[06:37:26] (DoctorOak) *zhen
[06:37:34] (%Pie) True. There needs to be a condensed version
[06:37:35] (DoctorOak) when the majority of net users still only have 800x600 screens
[06:37:36] (+evkl) but really now we can put words to action a little.
[06:37:40] (@Misty) JKaizer )) The other layouts aren't necessarily wasted
[06:37:45] (@Misty) we could use optional skins if possible
[06:37:48] (@Kasumi) I personally like JKaizer's main page proposal, with another banner of course
[06:37:48] (%Pie) I have a big monitor, and even I think it looks too stretched out
[06:38:02] (+evkl) fitting 800x600 is tough, many sights optimize with the 12x7
[06:38:05] (+evkl) *sites
[06:38:08] * Joins: Sakurabisu ([email protected])
[06:38:14] (@Archaic) I enjoy the format of Zhen's proposed front page as well. It does need to be altered to use percentages so it can be viewed on any monitor however.
[06:38:31] (%Pie) I think we could easily shrink those buttons.
[06:38:32] (@Kasumi) hi
[06:38:36] (Eevee04) yes, percentages are better then absoloutes
[06:38:44] (@Misty) I have a standard 1024x768 resolution with Firefox and it looks fine to me
[06:38:45] (+evkl) Okay, so now that we agree on the form of this in general, can we also agree that color schemes need drawn up by those who can do such things
[06:38:49] (+JKaizer) but i have toolbars on both sides
[06:38:53] (+evkl) and from there move on to the next topic?
[06:38:58] (+evkl) because like, if you want to make progress
[06:39:01] * @Archaic uses 1280x1024
[06:39:02] (+evkl) you cannot harp on the shade of blue you want to use
[06:39:06] (@Misty) lol
[06:39:07] * +evkl uses 1024x768
[06:39:08] (@Misty) Agreed with evan.
[06:39:26] (%nYoo) I use 1152x864 :O
[06:40:03] (@Misty) evan )) We should at least support 800x600.
[06:40:06] (+evkl) I know.
[06:40:34] (+evkl) Next order of business.
[06:40:37] (Eevee04) 800x600 should most definently be supported, i run that format, and only for the fact its the only drivers I can get.
[06:40:53] (@Archaic) Okay, so are we agreed on this? Zhen's general layout is the way to go, but it does need some slight modifications so it'll work with all resolution sizes down to 800x600, and a colour scheme with a little less white?
[06:41:01] (+evkl) Yes yes yes and yes.
[06:41:11] (%Pie) Yes.
[06:41:14] (@Misty) Sounds good.
[06:41:19] (%nYoo) min-width: 750px;
[06:41:21] (%Pie) And it needs a place for the affiliate buttons.
[06:41:37] (+evkl) Misty, in response to your proposal, a few things.
[06:42:10] (@Misty) evan )) Shoot.
[06:42:34] (+evkl) We do kill senate/assembly/etc and merge into one forum.
[06:42:43] (+evkl) We also let the 'Cast and 'pedia be subforums of that.
[06:43:03] (@Misty) I dislike subforums. I actually forgot there was a 'pedia forum.
[06:43:07] (+evkl) 'Cast announcements go up in a News which we keep. News becomes home to all news discussions.
[06:43:27] (@Archaic) Subforums are a good way to balance directed discussion with general discussion.
[06:43:30] (+evkl) Like, that entire idea of 'announcing in news then locking and having them fly to the respective forum to post' requires too much user effort.
[06:43:50] (+evkl) obviously a more indepth discussion may be spawned about a new AG episode in the anime forum
[06:44:00] (+evkl) but for cursory comments and such news should most certainly remain open.
[06:44:08] (+evkl) Merge world, agreed.
[06:44:14] (+evkl) Keep fanart and fic seperate.
[06:44:17] (%Pie) World has to be merged.
[06:44:19] (%Pie) That is a given.
[06:44:40] (%Pie) And I agree, fanart and fanfic are two very different things.
[06:44:43] (+evkl) I think you really just can't kill manga and TCG
[06:44:57] (+evkl) while they are small to the point of nonexistance--unless we did recreate general pkmn discussion
[06:44:57] (@Kasumi) Not really, imo.
[06:45:12] (+evkl) in which case we could let it slide, but they'd be awkward and out of place there, methinks.
[06:45:46] (@Archaic) I think we do need to recreate the general discussion.
[06:45:49] (+evkl) mind and roleplaying games get merged into one
[06:45:52] (+evkl) *and party
[06:45:57] (+evkl) even though rpgs are essentially dead
[06:46:03] (@Archaic) I've had several topics recently that I had no idea where to place them.
[06:46:06] (+Swifty) YES YES! General discussion!
[06:46:07] (@Kasumi) I agree. It would seem odd to have Manga and TCG discussions on General Pokemon.
[06:46:15] (+evkl) dg,pasbl,etc stay obviously.
[06:46:19] (@Kasumi) *discussuin
[06:46:20] (@Misty) Alright.
[06:46:23] (+evkl) tower of bulba -) misc
[06:46:25] (@Kasumi) *discussion
[06:46:39] (+evkl) creative corner splits to fanart and fanfic
[06:46:41] (+evkl) which become more inclusive
[06:46:44] (+evkl) as does multimedia
[06:46:51] (@Misty) Yes.
[06:46:55] (%Pie) Yeah.
[06:47:01] (+evkl) entertainment goes into the new tech forum
[06:47:06] (@Kasumi) so everything fanart goes into one forum?
[06:47:07] (%Pie) Much as I like Multimedia and running it solo
[06:47:08] (+evkl) which becomes a general recreation/tech/games/web forum
[06:47:19] (%Pie) It doesn't get much activity, and I'm not sure if it ever will.
[06:47:20] (+evkl) aka the geeky misc
[06:47:33] (@Kasumi) Geeky Misc. I like that name.
[06:47:43] (@Misty) Eh, we had a discussion about that. Entertainment and Technology are kind of baaaaarely related, and considering how much we're merging into them there's still the possibility that they can generate discussion on their own.
[06:47:45] (%Pie) Yay geekiness
[06:47:48] (+Swifty) I say General recreation/tech/games go into a general discussion forum.
[06:48:00] (+JKaizer) Please keep Tech and Ent seperate
[06:48:13] (@Misty) I think we should keep them seperate for now and see what develops
[06:48:19] (+JKaizer) Tech - computers, multimedia, websites, etc.
[06:48:21] (+evkl) well, at least all techs need merged
[06:48:23] (@Misty) Yes
[06:48:25] (+JKaizer) ent - books, music, tv, games, etvc
[06:48:25] (@Kasumi) tech/games and web merged are fin
[06:48:25] (@Misty) That I agree with
[06:48:26] (@Archaic) So were recreating the S.H.I.T forum from days gone past? (System of Highly Interactive Technologies)
[06:48:28] (@Kasumi) *fine
[06:48:35] (@Archaic) * we're
[06:48:38] (@Kasumi) SHIT? XD
[06:48:42] (@Misty) Archaic )) Nice acronym there
[06:48:43] (+evkl) comics corner needs to die
[06:48:45] (+evkl) perhaps merging with manga
[06:48:47] * Bulbagarden sets mode: +h Pie
[06:48:47] (+evkl) for an all-comics forum
[06:48:49] (%Pie) By the way I hate my connection.
[06:48:49] (@Archaic) It's not mine.
[06:48:51] (+evkl) which may get some modium of activity
[06:48:53] (%Pie) Whah?
[06:48:55] (%Pie) What about SHIT?
[06:48:55] (@Misty) ... Hey, merging comics and manga
[06:48:58] (@Misty) I never thought of that
[06:49:04] (GrnMarvl13) what's this about killing the comics?
[06:49:06] (+evkl) and then from there including non american comics
[06:49:07] (+evkl) aka manga
[06:49:11] (%Pie) XD
[06:49:19] (@Kasumi) Uh oh. I feel GrnMarvl13's rage rising
[06:49:21] (@Archaic) Comics isn't getting any real discussion ATM.
[06:49:32] (@Misty) I kind of agree. Ledian X was the one spearheading that forum
[06:49:32] (GrnMarvl13) it has its peaks, like any other forum
[06:49:34] (+evkl) i'm giving it discussion, Arcy--I think it's a valid point that we only have one CCC.
[06:49:36] (@Misty) And now he's gone
[06:50:02] (+evkl) and while it does get discussion and so many of our forums do have good days where they get one or two dozen posts--does that justify things?
[06:50:02] (GrnMarvl13) I'm spearheading, I'm posting, I'm spurring activity
[06:50:33] (@Archaic) But you're not getting the activity, which is the problem.
[06:50:56] (@Archaic) It should probably be merged back into Misc for now, and seperated into a sub-forum again if a lot of comics topics get posted.
[06:51:12] (GrnMarvl13) I'm not against it being remerged with misc.
[06:51:16] (%Pie) I think CCCs were a failed idea. They could've worked if we actually made it more clear people could request 'em and we didn't shoot down a lot of requests.
[06:51:16] (@Misty) Okay.
[06:51:17] (@Kasumi) Then it should be in entertaiment, not Misc
[06:51:18] (GrnMarvl13) but I'd prefer a trial subforum
[06:51:20] (+evkl) Well, then why not putting it with manga?
[06:51:25] (@Misty) Pie )) That's the problem
[06:51:28] (@Misty) We didn't make it clear
[06:51:29] (GrnMarvl13) if it continues to lack activity, then kill the subforum
[06:51:30] (+evkl) Alex has an even better point.
[06:51:31] (@Misty) We should make it clear
[06:51:43] (%Pie) (=(
[06:51:49] (@Misty) lol
[06:52:18] (+evkl) so my proposal leaves us with:
[06:52:44] (+Koroku) i think removing uppers as mods in forums would be good too
[06:52:55] (+Koroku) as it would shorten the staff page and make it less intimidating
[06:53:03] (@Misty) We do have too many staff.
[06:53:13] (@Misty) The forum cuts should lighten that
[06:53:33] (+Koroku) #PM should be taken off the staff list too
[06:53:42] (+Koroku) because they're listed as mods of the #PM forum
[06:53:50] (@Archaic) #pm are on the affiliate list.
[06:53:51] (+Koroku) no need to have the group listed there as well
[06:53:53] (%Pie) How many inactive mods do we have?
[06:53:55] (+evkl) site discussion, news, world, pkmn general, pkmn video games, pkmn anime, art, fic, (manga/tcg?), games, dgetc, entertainment, geekymisc, misc, debate
[06:53:59] (@Archaic) They're mnods withot being part of the mod usergroup.
[06:54:05] (@Archaic) * mods
[06:54:17] (+evkl) that's anywhere from 14 to 17 forums
[06:54:21] (+Koroku) they still show in the "Moderators" section of the staff page
[06:54:26] (@Misty) Sounds about like what I wanted
[06:54:29] (@Misty) Looks good
[06:54:35] (+Koroku) and then are shown again in the [HASHTAG]#PocketMonsters[/HASHTAG] group listing
[06:55:02] (+evkl) Any other serious orders of business? We'll hash out the difficult forum cuts over the next few days, but most are agreed-upon, no?
[06:55:12] (@Misty) I believe so
[06:55:16] * @Kasumi agrees with Evan's proposal
[06:55:26] (+Koroku) sure
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