Can Hoopa be considered a Villain? Light S/M spoilers may be present

[KrspaceT]

Recent Spacebattle conversations got me thinking.

Awesome quest speculation aside, I thought of a possible explanation for the UB world, provided it was the OG pokemon world.
You know that mega-Legendary hunt you could do in ORAS? You know how they were all from Hoopa portals, and used the original music from the game they premiered in?
That's because all those legendaries are from the OG timeline.
Gee, wonder what happens when you deprive a world of ALL of it's guardians, all the way to space and time?
Woops.

Now this has two possible avenues if one explores it

One: Hoopa accidentally took legendaries from a past timeline (or possibly two if we go by the Gen 1-2, Gen 3-5, and Gen 6--> world interpretation), making it more vulnerable to Ultra Beast attacks

Two: Hoopa deliberately took legendaries from a past timeline (or possibly two if we go by the Gen 1-2, Gen 3-5, and Gen 6--> world interpretation), making it more vulnerable to Ultra Beast attacks

How hard do you think it would be to imply that a Hoopa deliberately set about the apocalypse of at least a single universe? What possible motives might such a Hoopa have? What story opportunities might that cause?

 

[Instrutilus]

Alternately, it was an evacuation, as not even the Legendaries could hold back the Ultra Beasts. Consider that there's some missing: Mewtwo, the Legendary Birds, etc. Imagine if a Nihilego managed to latch onto Mewtwo in the Pre-VI timeline, giving it a Beast Boost on top of it's legendary Special Attack.

Well, with the strongest Legendary bar Arceus and fused-Kyurem under the control of the Ultra Beasts, also getting boosts to it's Special Attack, I think the general thought was "cut the losses and jump ship before they get other powerful Legendaries." Mewtwo was at least unable to control Time and Space, but imagine if they managed to latch onto Dialga or Palkia? Hell, you find those two in a Dimensional Rift, perhaps they're holding the door open for Hoopa's rings and only hop through themselves when they think the connection's strong enough to survive without them?

Really, we can't be sure of what's going on in the GBADS Timeline, Hoopa might have done it as a prank, Hoopa might have done it to prevent the situation getting far worse, the lesser of two evils. Either leave them to fight and risk the Gods of Time and Space becoming corrupted or send them to a timeline that could hold the Ultra Beasts off without interference from the Legendaries.

 

[CrystaI]

I think this thread suits better in the General Pokemon Discussion Section.

At the end of the day, I don't think the situation will be anything different.
If deliberately, then Hoopa will just be the Final Big Bad to be defeated at the end.
If accidentally, then Hoopa will be a redeemable character which helps the protagonist character willingly to rectify its mistake.

And for the speculation of a PokeWorld without the existence of any of the legendaries...... I don't think there is anything different. That is because many of the legendaries, especially the Creation Trio and Arceus, they were already living in an alternative dimension. Depends on the context and your interpretation of multiple-universe theory, Creation Trio and Arceus are in another sense already the kind of pokemons coming from another dimension. So even if Hoopa dragged them away from their respective world, IMO it shouldn't cause any much influence to the GenIV world.
Well, Cyrus already tried to dragged the Creation Trio from their respective dimension, and caused a havoc. But that is more because he forced to manipulate their power with the Red Chain. So it is the power of the Creation Trio causing problem, not their existence.

If Hoopa doesn't have any mind-controlling power, merely power to connect different dimensions, the havoc it may causes is very limited, as the damage scale will all just depends on the instincts and intelligence of each individual Legendary Pokemon, and Legendary Pokemon are all known to be quite pacific that will not attack any other just for the sake of it.
But if Hoopa does have mind-controlling power, and is deliberately evil, just like the Unbound one from M18...... Then prepare for trouble, and make it double!

 

[Enzap]

@KrspaceT I am moving this thread to General Pokémon Discussion since the ideas behind it fit well in that section. You're still free to get story ideas from it, but I thought it would be better to open it up to a wider range of viewers and conversations.

 

[Lufenium]

I don't know about Hoopa explicitly causing the interferences causing ultra wormholes to appear, but it accidentally causing them through its own mischief or it attempting to rescue those Pokemon by fetching them to the mega timeline is a more believable theory, though.

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It pulling Pokemon from the R/S/E timelines in a last ditch attempt to rescue them would certainly match along with Anabel's appearance and her identity as a Faller in Sun/Moon.

Although, another thought: what if Hoopa wasn't saving them from the Ultra Beast attacks, but from the impending meteor collision in the Delta Episode? The Mossdeep Center's plan was to warp the meteor to another dimension/timeline.

 

[Chidamari Sketch]

Given how the whole

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"Ultra Beasts destroyed GBA/DS timeline"

is actually merely a theory that went into Common Knowledge territory (i.e. A mere concept that people consider to be actual canon/lore when it's merely fabricated by fan speculation, etc.), I personally feel that Hoopa's apparent shtick in ORAS is pure coincidence towards the UB ordeal. The reason why the theory sprung up is that a moment during the post-game Looker mission notes that

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Anabel has vague memories of having to protect the Battle Tower before falling in the wormhole, and it was heavily implied that she was from the GBADS timeline

While the Ultra Beast were definitely threatening in terms of powers, their actions

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were caused by Nihilego's toxins and the shock of being in a foreign world, which compels them to attack/follow Fallers as they instinctively see them as the solution

and even disregarding this, the fact that

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they were slowed down by the Tapus

shows that they don't exactly qualify as extremely powerful. Heck, their base stat totals (570, which is shared by the Tapu group) are lower than even trio Legendaries (which tend to be at least 580 or higher). It is worth noting, however that in the postgame, you can enter Aether Paradise's underground labs where an employee will give you a few Key Items, two of them being the DNA Splicers and the Soul Dew, the other being the Prison Bottle itself. The employee then states that

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the then-brainwashed Lusamine was apparently going to use these as part of her plan for the Ultra Beasts

So while I find the theory to be somewhat unfounded, there's still some food for thought there.

 

[KrspaceT]

@KrspaceT I am moving this thread to General Pokémon Discussion since the ideas behind it fit well in that section. You're still free to get story ideas from it, but I thought it would be better to open it up to a wider range of viewers and conversations.

Thanks: I don't fanfic here and as this was a question for a possible idea in my fanfiction I thought it was more appropriate.

 

[Esserise]

Well, remember that the "heavy-hitters" are divided up by version. So, for instance, if you're playing Alpha Sapphire, then it can really only be said that Hoopa transplanted Lugia, Dialga, Zekrom, Thundurus, the Beasts, the Lake guardians, the Musketeers, and Heatran and Cresselia. I suppose there's also Giratina, Kyurem, and Landorus, but it's a bit hard to say how those should factor in story-wise since they require you to trade for Pokémon from the other version.

So, disregarding those three for now, the only ones that are moved by Hoopa that play any important maintenance roles in the world are Dialga OR Palkia, the Lake guardians, and Heatran (well, actually, I'm not even sure about that one - every time they talk about what Heatran does in the games, they go back and forth on it so much that I get vertigo), and we know that Arceus can remake the Sinnoh dragons (and presumably the Lake guardians as well). So that's probably not a huge issue. (Hell, who's to say that Arceus couldn't just pull the abducted Legendary right back into its native universe? As an aside, I want to stress how much I hate Sinnoh's "creation" Pokémon from a lore standpoint.)

Furthermore, we still don't know whether or not there are multiples of certain Legendary Pokémon - however much you may think one particular answer is "logical," I guarantee you there's somebody else who feels the other way, so it really is just a guess on our parts. But if there are multiples, then it's also less of an immediate issue.

And the whole "UBs destroyed the original timeline" thing is an exaggerative fan theory, so I'm not really sweating it.