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Canonity in games

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If this is the wrong board or there's already another topic, I'm sorry, this seemed like the right one for this topic and I searched and found no other topic like this that's alive.

This discussion has been debated several times. Which games are canon and which are not? We all know the main series games and side series games are canon, but what is not? Here's my opinion

RBYGSCRSEDPPt are all obviously canon.

FRLG Canonity debatable due to being remakes.

Colosseum and XD are in my opinion canon, albeit like other side-games not mentioning Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, or Sinnoh.

I believe Ranger is canon, and Mystery Dungeon is non-canon.

Trozei! is non canon.

Virtual pet games, Pikachu games, Pinball games, etc. are obviously non-canon.

So, what do you think?
 
Mystery Dungeon canon relative to the main series if its seen as an alternate universe

Things like Stadium and PBR I thought would be annual event tournaments or something.

Things like Pokemon muzzle games and pinball could just be videogames in the Pokemon world themselves.
 
Since all the games are self-contained, there's really no sense of coninutity. Plus it can follow differnet sets of Canon. Mystery Dungeon can't really be considered "Non-canon".

It's really up to the player to interpert which is "canon" and which "isn't".

Most people tend to use the anime as a guide to canon, but that's subject to change because the anime will include elements of a spin-off as a promotion of up-coming games. But never mention them again, even when it would be an excellent time to have them.

Pokémon Snap had it's protagonist interact with the anime's protagonist while the Ranger series had two specials and a movie, as well as tying in with Diamond and Pearl. Mystery Dungeon received it's own specials as well, but they didn't tie in with the main anime at all. Meanwhile, the GCN games, the Trading Card Game game and Trozei got nothing in the anime.
 
Gligar-Man said:
FRLG Canonity debatable due to being remakes.
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There is nothing debatable about it. FireRed and LeafGreen retained the original games' storyline while expanding upon it in such a way that was consistent with the sequel story of Generation II. They were also clearly established as contemporary with Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald.

If anything, it is Diamond, Pearl and Platinum which could use better clarification as to where exactly they fit within the main series. However, the cameo apperance of Jasmine and the reference to the red Gyarados strongly point towards the games' being contemporary with Gold, Silver and Crystal. Should there be Gold and Silver remakes, they will most likely address this point without any ambiguity.
 
To be honest, the introduction of a time line to a series doesn't help at all. Unless you actually play the exact same character in both games. Which in Pokémon games, you do not.

It doesn't really matter where Diamond and Pearl fits in since there's no "wrong" place. It could easily be contemporary to GSC or it can take place at the same time as RBY.
 
Fire Red and Leaf Green are along the same lines as Metroid: Zero Mission.

They are simply a retelling and retconning of the first games. This actually makes them more canon than the originals.
 
Yellow was never canon. :\

I've always believed what Captain Geno posted above.
 
Captain Geno said:
Fire Red and Leaf Green are along the same lines as Metroid: Zero Mission.

They are simply a retelling and retconning of the first games. This actually makes them more canon than the originals.
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What about translation errors like Koga's daughter "Charine"?
 
Outrage DD said:
What about translation errors like Koga's daughter "Charine"?
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It's situations like this that make many people consider only the Japanese version of the game/anime/mangna/whatever cannon, and the English translation some sort of edited rip off.
 
Why do people even need to over-complicate things?
 
So what happens when the original games rewrite stuff? Like the entire Galactic plot in Platinum.


(also, English isn't the only translation, you realize. And "errors" and "edits" are completely different things)
 
Blackjack Palazzo said:
So what happens when the original games rewrite stuff? Like the entire Galactic plot in Platinum.
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Well, that brings up an entire different view of cannon. I was making a comment on the translation, not the changing storylines in the 3rd versions of the generation.


Blackjack Palazzo said:
(also, English isn't the only translation, you realize. And "errors" and "edits" are completely different things)
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Do we know for sure that the "Charine" thing was an error? I could have been an edit (or the other way around). And of course I realize that English is not the only translation of the games, I have good friends in the E.U who play the German version.
 
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