Changes to the freeze status condition?

[Matleo]

how about that? you have 8 votes.

If you want to add something to the poll then ask I will try to do it in my free time when Im on the computer.

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[DoctorWhy]

I'd be interested in a Freezing version of Hypnosis.

 

[Almonds]

I'd like it to cause damage BUT thawing out eventually. Like frostbite.

 

[Alolan Coconut]

I don't know the mechanics behind it, but I think it would be interesting if the likelihood of freezing increases and/or it extends the duration when Hail is active.

 

[Matleo]

I'd be interested in a Freezing version of Hypnosis.

i suggested it to be a sound move to not be too OP.
This way some more pokes then ice types could be immune.

 

[Sablaireau]

Freezing is pure hax. Increase the chances of it thawing out by a lot, and lower the chances of it happening?

 

[Team Gaara]

The only thing I dislike about Freeze is how there's no set time for you to thaw~ You can thaw next turn or 7 turns later, but it needs a limit because it seems like it can go on forever. If they want it to last long, fine, but give it a number. I know it has a small percentage to thaw every turn, but I think it should have that up until you reach a certain turn~

Also, make a move that just purely causes Freeze because I'm pretty sure it's the only status that is purely a secondary effect. And an Ability, on that note, like Static or Flame Body~

I'd like it to cause damage BUT thawing out eventually. Like frostbite.

This would be a cool idea for a new status~

Freezing is pure hax. Increase the chances of it thawing out by a lot, and lower the chances of it happening?

Every status is hax~ The chance to freeze due to any given move isn't more than 10%, besides Secret Power on the Ice (which will likely never happen) so it's already got the lowest chance of happening out of any status~ Can't see a reason to lower it further AND increase thaw chance.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Every status is hax~

Eh, not really. Burn and Poison don't keep you from attacking, Paralysis has only a chance to do so, and Sleep only lasts a few turns. "Hax" is when your opponent is prevented from using a turn, not just game mechanics.

The chance to freeze due to any given move isn't more than 10%, besides Secret Power on the Ice (which will likely never happen) so it's already got the lowest chance of happening out of any status~ Can't see a reason to lower it further AND increase thaw chance.

Definitely agree there. Freeze is low because of its chance to last so long-with a chance of thaw, there's no reason to lower a near-nonexistent chance.

 

[Sakuraa]

I think thawing faster in the sun and slower in hail would be cool. It makes sense so I'm surprised this isn't already a thing.

 

[ocelotlrama jaguar]

I remember being in a battle where a Pokemon that I had was frozen with Drought in effect and lasted the whole time. I couldn't believe it but them's the mechanics.

The only one I picked was thawing faster with the sun out and taking a long time to thaw when hail is in effect. As much as I hate the freeze status, it isn't all that broken. The only way to be frozen is through a damaging move that only has a 10% chance of cause freezing. It's not like Hypnosis where you can count on it to put the opponent to sleep. IF they ever made a move where it can be guaranteed to induce Freeze status like Hypnosis induces sleep, I would like to see it nerfed to being limited by a few turns and definitely allowing a Pokemon to be thawed out in no time with the sun. Until then, sun thaw and hail increase are the most realistic to choose from.

 

[Matleo]

Freezing is pure hax. Increase the chances of it thawing out by a lot, and lower the chances of it happening?

rather if we have more thawing out options(weather, moves and abilities) then the % of hapenning could be bigger.

Imagine in future a ice type version of:

-Banneful Buncker (with freezing)

-Purify (but this time re-freezing, or give Purify to some ice types or cfreate them their own version, becuse assimilatig ice back with health should be posibble)

-poison point/flame body

-Grass whistle/ Hipnosis

-Dream eater/Giga Drain/Drain Punch/Leech life

-Sand Tomb/Infestation/fire spin/whirlpool (trapping)

-Corrosion--> freezing ice types and fire types, and maybe some extra effect , maybe trapping the foe?

-Soak/forrest curse(giving ice type)

-Water absorb
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Brick Break should free from freeze , and maybe do x1,5 more damage when oponent is frozen?
just think of it.
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Question if a poke , a non fire type uses a fire type move during solid frozen, shouldnt it have a chance to get burned after wards? becuse its not a fire type and it uses a fire type move at close range, then it theoretically should change status conditions.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Question if a poke , a non fire type uses a fire type move during solid frozen, shouldnt it have a chance to get burned after wards? becuse its not a fire type and it uses a fire type move at close range, then it theoretically should change status conditions.

Why are they getting burned for using a move while frozen if they wouldn't get burned for using the move normally?

 

[Matleo]

Why are they getting burned for using a move while frozen if they wouldn't get burned for using the move normally?

because they are in a very small place and have contact with their own move? imagine that you burn something near your self and the fire will activate on you too.
Its like you cut the branch on what you are hanging.
The Chance of burning should be posibble, maybe less the damage becuse it can use it so that not fast.
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Outrage and Rage are potential candidates to free from solid frozen, becuse the pokemon is so angry that it is getting hot.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

because they are in a very small place and have contact with their own move? imagine that you burn something near your self and the fire will activate on you too.
Its like you cut the branch on what you are hanging.
The Chance of burning should be posibble, maybe less the damage becuse it can use it so that not fast.
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Outrage and Rage are potential candidates to free from solid frozen, becuse the pokemon is so angry that it is getting hot.

I think you're missing the point.
You mentioned the usual scenario, but why should the ability kick in ONLY when the user is frozen? Not in its normal state?

 

[TechSkylander1518]

^Exactly my point. Flame Charge literally says that user covers itself in fire-these Pokemon are already in contact with their own fire.

 

[Matleo]

ok TechSkylander1518 and PkmnTrainerV are right there, but flame charge is own energy in controled form.
I only divagete, I dont say it need to change but its interesting that we have moves that deal self damage like flare blitz but this kind of situations are left alone.

why do we have no "non-ice type" with ice body? think of it.
If it would also half ice type damage then a ghost, rock or ground, or grass or normal type with it would be very nice.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

ok TechSkylander1518 and PkmnTrainerV are right there, but flame charge is own energy in controled form.

Every fire move is the user's own controlled energy, by your definition. It applies to each and every fire move. Flame charge is no exception.
Fire type move users are naturally resistant to their own energy.

I only divagete, I dont say it need to change but its interesting that we have moves that deal self damage like flare blitz but this kind of situations are left alone.

You basically want something which makes no sense? We've fully explained how this thing makes no sense.

 

[Tea & Scones]

I dont say it need to change but its interesting that we have moves that deal self damage like flare blitz but this kind of situations are left alone.

The situations aren't comparable. Flare Blitz damages the user based on the impact force of which the user has slammed into the opponent, not the energy from the user's heat. Moves like Take Down, where there is no special energy involved, use the same principle. The situation or condition you have proposed is that the user is damaged by the energy due to the ice keeping them in. These are not the same situations.

 

[Matleo]

Fire type move users are naturally resistant to their own energy.

but "non" fire type users? lets say a normal type uses a fire type move at close range and gets hit by own move? should it be immune to effect of burn?

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

but "non" fire type users? lets say a normal type uses a fire type move at close range and gets hit by own move? should it be immune to effect of burn?

My statement said fire type move users. Any Pokemon who uses a fire move can obviously handle the effects, otherwise it wouldn't learn the move.