Clash of HG SS with the Anime

[renzo1800]

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Palmer mentioned in the anime that he came from Sinnoh's Battle Frontier.Or the translator got it wrong.

We already know what Dawn will do in Johto. So what will Ash do when he comes back to Johto, the Pokethlon?
News from HG SS that there is a similar Battle Frontier in Johto from Platinum w/ no known Frotier Brains. Could they be the same?
Now that that will be overtime for Palmer & the others in the game and the anime.

Kotone AKA Soul in fandom, the new girl's anime scan in a mag shows her infront of a somewhat pokethlon juice stand, is she goin to enter the pokethlon or become Dawn's rival in Contests? Some say that she will be a main character to present the new games, but I find that hardly. But Bulbapedia says that she will appear in DP143, theres a Pokethlon in Sinnoh?.Is Jimmy goin to appear in his HG SS outfit? And how come Leaf from FR & LG didnt appear in Kanto Battle Frontier Saga.

 

[Naya Rivera]

Wow, so many questions... To answer them, most of what you said are is part speculation and all. To the Kotone question, yes Kotone will appear in DP143. Maybe Dawn will go to Johto for the Battle Frontier but it depends as the episodes come and go. No one knows if Jimmy will appear in the anime in his HGSS outfit once again, it all depends on the writers/workers of the anime. But no one knows why Leaf did not appear once again it is the work of the writers of the anime why they choose to show Kotone and no Leaf. And the other question is yet all speculation about Dawn and Kotone being rivals in contests/Pokéthlon. But in conclusion, it all depends what the anime people have in mind and what will come in the future.

 

[absol_trainer]

Wow thats a lot of questions. Of course, this is all speculation, but...

As of now we dont know that Ash will be heading back to Johto. Unlike previous regions, we have met a half of the Elite Four and the Champion. And, considering Flint's role in the games, I have a feeling we will be seeing him in Sunnyshore City in the near future. This could possibly be the anime actually acknowledging the Elite Four for once, OR they could be setting up a Ash VS E4 plot after the Sinnoh League (which was what I though would happen before Platinum and the Battle Frontier). Remember, there is a whole island in Sinnoh that houses the Battle Frontier, or could house the battles of the Elite Four.

And the Johto Frontier could be the same... Or maybe not. Assuming we do end up in Johto, we might be watching Ash battle the Johto Brains, and not see the Sinnoh Brains until 10 years from now when Ash goes back to Sinnoh.

As for Kotone... Theres no telling where the producers will take her character. However, if you take a close look quite a few of the past movies have been all about promoting games... Movie 9 was all about Pokemon Ranger, Movie 11 was all about Platinum upgrades (Shaymin and Giratina), and Movie 12 has the Johto Starters, Notch-Eared Pichu and Pikachu colored Pichu. Kotone may very well be an anime promotion. Or, she could be like Jimmy and never appear outside of her DP 146 appearance.

And about Leaf, she has fallen the way of many game characters. Brendan, Silver, Lucas, and Blue (Leaf in her original Blue outfit) have never shown up outside of cameo appearances.

 

[Sketch]

This has nothing to do with Bulbapedia...I'm moving this to the anime section.

And her name is officially Kotone.

 

[Cybersai]

There is no clash. They'll feature the Brains eventually and they're putting Soul and Johto pokes in eps for the time being.

 

[Shinx3000]

Palmer mentioned in the anime that he came from Sinnoh's Battle Frontier.Or the translator got it wrong.

Yes thats true, and Ash could simply Challenge Sinnohs BF since its identical to Johtos, no need for him to go to Johto for that.

We already know what Dawn will do in Johto. So what will Ash do when he comes back to Johto, the Pokethlon?

Has it been confirmed that Dawn is going to Johto?

But Bulbapedia says that she will appear in DP143, theres a Pokethlon in Sinnoh?.Is Jimmy goin to appear in his HG SS outfit? And how come Leaf from FR & LG didnt appear in Kanto Battle Frontier Saga.

The way I see it is that they are putting stuff from HGSS into anime now as the games are coming next week and it would be too late to do it in a possiblr BF saga since we have not got Badge 8 yet so it seems that a BF will be a bit away.

And I am thinking the reason Leaf was not in Kanto BF is that she started her journey around the same time as Ash (a.k.a what red was in FR/LG0 and she came from Pallet town too. It would have seemd odd that Ash never met her before hand right? I mean they did come from same town, take on Indigo league too and it would have been weird, seen her now and not knowing about her then in Indigo league days.

So the way I see things, not only are they putting things in now to advertise the games because the games are coming soon, they can simply have Ash do a Sinnoh BF instead of going to Johto for it, since, its the same BF as in Johto and why visit a location in Johto Ash has been to, just to do a BF? Remember in Fr/LG there was no BF, it was in Emerald, and Ash did not go to a Hoenn BF, but a Kanto one and since none in FR/LG they could have put the BF in an anime only location and its fine, but since its in HGSS and we know where it is, they couldn't really have a Johto based anime only location for it, could they? Sinnoh has BF and Battle Zone and even Stark Mountain. People did not belive me that that could be used, just a Johto based anime only location, but its looking less and less likley Ash will be going to Johto for BF now when Sinnoh seems a better location now. But only time will tell.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Yes thats true, and Ash could simply Challenge Sinnohs BF since its identical to Johtos, no need for him to go to Johto for that.

Identical in terms of structure, maybe, but does it even have the same Frontier Brains?

Has it been confirmed that Dawn is going to Johto?

If they are staying in Sinnoh, she's definitely gonna have to leave, since what's the point of her staying in Sinnoh for Ash to do his Battle Frontier when she's already completed her Sinnoh Contests?

The way I see it is that they are putting stuff from HGSS into anime now as the games are coming next week and it would be too late to do it in a possiblr BF saga since we have not got Badge 8 yet so it seems that a BF will be a bit away.

Going by the episodes, they're already on their way to the 8th badge.

And I am thinking the reason Leaf was not in Kanto BF is that she started her journey around the same time as Ash (a.k.a what red was in FR/LG0 and she came from Pallet town too. It would have seemd odd that Ash never met her before hand right? I mean they did come from same town, take on Indigo league too and it would have been weird, seen her now and not knowing about her then in Indigo league days.

Hey, Barry didn't seem to recognize Dawn at all (acted like he never even knew her), despite his living in the exact same town as her.

Still, that's not an excuse to not have her appear. They could have easily given her a special. I mean, they did it with Marina, and it's implied that she was well beyond a beginner by the time Legend of Thunder happened, so why not Leaf. It's at least better than having her not appear at all (I mean, at least Lucas and Brendan got cameoes, she didn't even get that.)

So the way I see things, not only are they putting things in now to advertise the games because the games are coming soon, they can simply have Ash do a Sinnoh BF instead of going to Johto for it, since, its the same BF as in Johto and why visit a location in Johto Ash has been to, just to do a BF? Remember in Fr/LG there was no BF, it was in Emerald, and Ash did not go to a Hoenn BF, but a Kanto one and since none in FR/LG they could have put the BF in an anime only location and its fine, but since its in HGSS and we know where it is, they couldn't really have a Johto based anime only location for it, could they? Sinnoh has BF and Battle Zone and even Stark Mountain. People did not belive me that that could be used, just a Johto based anime only location, but its looking less and less likley Ash will be going to Johto for BF now when Sinnoh seems a better location now. But only time will tell.

The BF IS the Battle Zone, though. And besides which, if they are going to do a Battle Frontier in Sinnoh, assuming that Johto has very different brains, they'll need to find a way to insert all of the brains in there, and keep it in one spot.

 

[Falconwing]

You know, Ash could just do the Sinnoh BF and then the Johto BF. It's not like it's going to be an issue. The show reuse's the same plot all the time.

 

[Ampharos King]

I really have no clue what they are doing. Will they take the route of having the Sinnoh BF, will it be Johto BF (which, as of now, we have NO information about), or will it be some combination of the two? It's too early to speculate. The whole Sinnoh arc has not ended yet. BTW since the series IS called "Diamond and Pearl," it makes no sense to have an arc based on Johto/HGSS unless they are planning on making an ENTIRELY new series for it.

 

[D558]

We know what dawn is doing after Sinnoh now?

 

[Piplup]

BF on one little island can't happen
Well, it can... but then they'll finish in 30 eps at most and Dawn won't have anything to do
And what's then? we need to fill about 2 years = about 104 episodes
I still think Johto BF is very likely

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

BF on one little island can't happen
Well, it can... but then they'll finish in 30 eps at most and Dawn won't have anything to do

I agree. While I admit that the Battle Zone is implied to be in a different region, it's still technically Sinnoh, and there won't be a way to have Dawn participate in Contests since by the time Ash competes in the Sinnoh Battle Frontier, she would have already gotten through the Sinnoh Grand Festival. If it does end up having to come to Sinnoh Battle Frontier, I'd prefer it to have Dawn leave at least until they do the Johto Battle Frontier next (It's either that or have her not do contests while in Ash's Group.)

And what's then? we need to fill about 2 years = about 104 episodes
I still think Johto BF is very likely

That's assuming that the Frontier Brains in Johto are even different brains from the ones in the Sinnoh Battle Frontier (going by the layout of the Johto Battle Frontier, I've got a bad feeling that they may end up reusing the Sinnoh Battle Frontier.). Also, it may need to be more like four years (if it were two years, they would have already showcased at least a sihlouette of a Generation V Pokemon by now, since that's exactly how long apart from the current saga to the next generation that they start showcasing the next generation.).

 

[Piplup]

We should wait for the games to get released to really understand what they did with the HGSS BF

And Weedle, they have no rules to when they "need" to reveal the new gen... they first revealed new gen Poké in each movie that had the last revealed Poké of current gen (movie 1 with Mew - Donphan and others in short, movie 4 with Celebi - Keckleon and more in short, movie 7 with Desoxys - Munchlax)

This time, since the wait will be longer - I find it logical to assume they chose to have the first new gen Poké in the next movie
In the time we're waiting though, note how we got 3 "secret" Poké (Darkrai/Shaymin/Arceus) which is more than the previous one (Gen 1: Mew, Gen 2: Celebi) or 2 (Gen 3: Jirachi/Deoxys) and we also got new forms which kind of give us some kind of "new Pokémon" in this time (new form for Giratina, new form for Shaymin, 5 new forms for Rotom) and while it's not a major change or "different form" we did get the Notched Ear Pichu as well

It's obvious they know the wait will be longer than the usual and try to make up for it as much as possible without actually revealing the next gen yet

 

[Shinx3000]

If they are staying in Sinnoh, she's definitely gonna have to leave, since what's the point of her staying in Sinnoh for Ash to do his Battle Frontier when she's already completed her Sinnoh Contests?

Well there is a resort area and Ribbon syndicate, she could just go there for a while, then go home or something.

Plus they could extend the Galactic plot with Chevoron or whatever his name was and have him try and steal Heatran like in Platinum.

Going by the episodes, they're already on their way to the 8th badge.

Yes, but it might still take a few episodes to get there maybe and a few to complete the Sunnyshore section of anime.

Hey, Barry didn't seem to recognize Dawn at all (acted like he never even knew her), despite his living in the exact same town as her.

Still, that's not an excuse to not have her appear. They could have easily given her a special. I mean, they did it with Marina, and it's implied that she was well beyond a beginner by the time Legend of Thunder happened, so why not Leaf. It's at least better than having her not appear at all (I mean, at least Lucas and Brendan got cameoes, she didn't even get that.)

Also since Red is basically what Ash is, didn't leaf live in the same house if you play as her and not Red? So how would that work? Also I wouldn't consider Lucas few seconds before the movie much, but at least it was a cameo and besides, unlike leaf and Ash, Lucas comes from a different town than Dawn, Sandgem.

BF on one little island can't happen
Well, it can... but then they'll finish in 30 eps at most and Dawn won't have anything to do
And what's then? we need to fill about 2 years = about 104 episodes
I still think Johto BF is very likely

Why can't it happen? They could do whatever they wanted in the Island, even make it look bigger than it is in games. And since we know where the BF is in Johto, it wouldn't be in an anime only location in Johto most likley and we know there could be more to do on the Battle Island than just revisitng Johto to do a BF.

Ash could train and battle trainers. Go to survival area, find out about Heatran, go to Stark Mountain, bump into Barry who is training there, go inside and get challanged by a few trainers, see something go on with Team Galactic chevron in there and stop him, even Handsome (looker) could come back.

Plus we could have Ash rebattling gym leaders who come to that house that is in Platinum.

We could have something in ribbon syndicate and resort area. Ash and co could even visit the flower paradise

and finally challende the BF

and why 2 years? Just because that was how long the last one lasted, does not mean it has to be the same now and Ash and gang could do all this and even make a track back to Johto for a while.

 

[Piplup]

Why can't it happen? They could do whatever they wanted in the Island, even make it look bigger than it is in games.

One island = Ash can go immediately from brain to brain, that's extremel;y ridiculous

And since we know where the BF is in Johto, it wouldn't be in an anime only location in Johto most likley

What? The BF would be spread out like Gyms - as happened before... there's a reason they chose to spread it out like Gyms and not stick it in one little island - to let the group travel and be able to make a lot of eps... one little island - no matter what they'll add - can't provide that

Ash could train and battle trainers.

He's constantly doing this all the time

Go to survival area, find out about Heatran, go to Stark Mountain, bump into Barry who is training there, go inside and get challanged by a few trainers, see something go on with Team Galactic chevron in there and stop him, even Handsome (looker) could come back.

That's all 10 eps at most

Plus we could have Ash rebattling gym leaders who come to that house that is in Platinum.

Ash doesn't seem interested at all in rebattling Gym Leaders, why would he do that?

We could have something in ribbon syndicate and resort area.

So Dawn will get a about 3 eps in that place and... the whole saga she'll just be there? no

and why 2 years?

It makes sense we'll have to wait about 2 years for next gen... it's obvious we'll have to wait longer than before

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

What? The BF would be spread out like Gyms - as happened before... there's a reason they chose to spread it out like Gyms and not stick it in one little island - to let the group travel and be able to make a lot of eps... one little island - no matter what they'll add - can't provide that

You know, while you do have a point, they should really try to make the BF brains much more than just the typical Gym Leaders this time around. I mean, you know, showcase the stuff you need to do and the unique strategies one must do before you actually face them. I mean, it's implied that they may actually exceed the Elite 4 and/or the Champion by a significant amount, so it would be a good way to live up to their reputation.

Ash doesn't seem interested at all in rebattling Gym Leaders, why would he do that?

Didn't he try to rechallenge the Viridian Gym shortly after returning from Hoenn, though?

So Dawn will get a about 3 eps in that place and... the whole saga she'll just be there? no

The only way it would make sense is if Dawn was not present at all, or if the Ribbon Society was basically the Contest version of the Elite 4 Challenge that's rumored to be happening. if we end up doing that area in Sinnoh for the BF, those two scenarioes would inevitably be chosen.

It makes sense we'll have to wait about 2 years for next gen... it's obvious we'll have to wait longer than before

We had to wait two years for Gens 2, 3, and even 4, as well (Gen II was pretty much confirmed since Episode 1 (Ho-Oh, remember?), Two years later, Gen II happened, and as soon as The Kecleon Caper aired, we waited around two years for Gen III to appear. After the Deoxys Movie, we waited yet another two years for Gen IV to appear). In order for it to be longer than before, it needs to be more like four years than two.

 

[Piplup]

they should really try to make the BF brains much more than just the typical Gym Leaders this time around.

I also want them to keep the special rules of each brain but I guess it's unlikely
Anyway, that doesn't matter for wether it'd be spread out like Gyms or not

Didn't he try to rechallenge the Viridian Gym shortly after returning from Hoenn, though?

I think that was more of Scott wanting him too
If not for that, Ash would just pass by the Gym and not even try to go there

The only way it would make sense is if Dawn was not present at all,

Dawn will stay
Kotone is apparently only a "guest character" as her VA said so she won't join (and if she does join now, it'll be in addition to the current group since Dawn isn't going anywhere when we're still in Sinnoh)
It's also likely the series will stay DP so Ash/Dawn are safe to stay and Brock is likely to stay too... I wouldn't expect any major changes... though I really want Kotone to join but I know it's unlikely

In order for it to be longer than before, it needs to be more like four years than two.

I meant like two years from now or from Sinnoh's end... and I meant until the next gen games release, not until a first Poké is revealed (this I expect to see in the next movie)

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

I also want them to keep the special rules of each brain but I guess it's unlikely
Anyway, that doesn't matter for wether it'd be spread out like Gyms or not

Maybe, but they really should just stick with it. After all, the Battle Frontier was meant to be a unique experience from Pokemon Gyms, anyways. I mean, if the Writers can make unique challenges for the Orange Crew, they can certainly adapt the special rules.

I think that was more of Scott wanting him too
If not for that, Ash would just pass by the Gym and not even try to go there

Strange, I thought that Ash just challenged it for fun, and only met Scott AFTER the fight.

Dawn will stay
Kotone is apparently only a "guest character" as her VA said so she won't join (and if she does join now, it'll be in addition to the current group since Dawn isn't going anywhere when we're still in Sinnoh)
It's also likely the series will stay DP so Ash/Dawn are safe to stay and Brock is likely to stay too... I wouldn't expect any major changes... though I really want Kotone to join but I know it's unlikely

Actually, I was referring to if they did end up doing the Battle Frontier in Sinnoh (in which case, Kotone being a guest character or a main character or even appearing next, Dawn will still have to leave, as there will be absolutely no point in trying to have her stay for the Sinnoh Battle Frontier as she would have done the Grand Festival by then.). Like you said, she'll basically do nothing otherwise if it was in Sinnoh. Sure, I want it to be in Johto, but I'm only positing it to be in Sinnoh, since low chances or not, it's still very much a chance that it will end up happening, regardless of whether I wanted or not. Heck, if Dawn actually won the Grand Festival on the first try (not likely, but it might happen, nonetheless), then she may end up leaving Ash's group anyways, since why would she still travel with Ash if she's already defeated a Grand Festival? Let's just hope that this time around, when she leaves, she does act grateful to Ash, and NOT have her act like May when she left (IE, basically snub Ash.)

I meant like two years from now or from Sinnoh's end... and I meant until the next gen games release, not until a first Poké is revealed (this I expect to see in the next movie)

That's exactly what I mean by that. In order for it to be longer than expected, it would need to be more like three years or four.

 

[Cybersai]

Well there is only one set of Brains, so now there is no problem there.

 

[Piplup]

I still can't see how a BF on ONE little island in Sinnoh will fill about two years
It's impossible
But they did say Palmer is from the Sinnoh BF... and there's no new brains in HGSS... I really don't know what they'll do
I guess we'll have to wait and see