Confirmed DSi Enhanced Titles ~ What do you suppose will be there from DSi users?

[Apex]

Well, since Pokebeach noted that the game code on the side of the box reveals the games are DSi Enhanced titles, what do you think will be given if you're playing it on a DSi?

 

[alexjuuhh]

You can use the camera to make your own trainer card, yaaaaaaay! j/k

 

[The Outrage]

DSi enhanced? Better allow us to connect to wifi with WPA security settings. The only down side I see with that is that I didn't do any training due to lack of connectivity. They better have it -_-

I also see a DSiWare title that lets you store your Pokemon from DP for transfer, while those with an old DS would get a cartridge for the GBA slot.

Why do I have a horrible feeling the English version of the games won't have this :/

COnsidering these are DSi enhanced, it makes me think that Pokemon Grey will be DSi exclusive.

 

[Farfetched]

^^ same.
I think they won't make grey a dsi exclusive if B/W are going to be on the ds.

I think they'll wait for next generation (or remake maybe?) to do that to us.

As for the original question, i think i see more camera angles, or being able to play with at least. Well, maybe it will be the 3ds instead of the dsi

 

[alexjuuhh]

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COnsidering these are DSi enhanced, it makes me think that Pokemon Grey will be DSi exclusive.

Well, if it would be DSi exclusive, then what would be the difference?

 

[Silktree]

What sort of DSi-exclusive features have recent games had besides the camera?

If the third version is dsi exclusive I'm gonna hurt somebody because I'm not about to go out and spend my money for the games on a stupid dsi.

The third version is far more likely to be a 3DS title than a DSi-exclusive one.

 

[Jeff]

By the time Gray/Sepia/Clear/whatever comes out, the 3DS will be out and it will be playable on that too. Pretty much everyone should have a DSi or 3DS by then. Kinda like how the GBA was out when Crystal came out.

As for what we'll see, basically everything I've said in past threads on this subject. Here's an excerpt from an article I wrote for Legendary Pokemon (which should be getting posted soon).

So what’s left to talk about? Oh yeah, the system. Yeah, I know Black and White are already confirmed for the DS, but that doesn’t mean they can’t include special features that can only be accessed on a DSi and/or 3DS. Imagine being able to store extra boxes of Pokémon on an SD card, or being able to take your picture and put it on your trainer card. These little extra features are probably the best we’ll get out of the newer DS systems since Black and White have to be compatible with the DS. Then again, it’s possible that there might be an extra area like the Distortion World. Maybe that area would require a more powerful system such as the DSi or even 3DS to handle it, and that area could even have a legendary Pokémon that can only be caught there. If this sounds a bit Farfetch’d (sorry couldn’t help myself ), remember the color dungeon in The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening DX, and the tunics that were only available there.

Yeah, maybe it'll be the third version's box legendary that can only be caught in the DSi-exclusive area, a sort of foreshadowing to the DSi-exclusiveness of the third version if they go that route.

 

[Jeff]

I don't mind if it's 3ds exclusive since it's tecnically a different system then the ds. But making a game exclusive to the dsi is stupid because it's the same thing as a ds.

There are already retail DSi exclusives. Also, commercials for DS games nowadays mention that they are for "the Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSi", treating them as if they are separate systems, so no, they are not the "same thing".

 

[The Outrage]

For people asking "What's the difference?", really what made Crystal so different that it warranted itself to be GBC exclusive. I'm not saying I want it to be, I'm just making an observation.

Besides, the DSi has more memory and I've seen a DSiware game that creates a faux 3D effect using the camera. Then there's also the SD card slot.

Yes, the SD card slot, let's hope that if they have the Picture feature like HgSs that they allow us to save the pictures onto it.

By the time Gray/Sepia/Clear/whatever comes out, the 3DS will be out and it will be playable on that too. Pretty much everyone should have a DSi or 3DS by then. Kinda like how the GBA was out when Crystal came out.

Yeah, so marketed a "DSi" title, but its DSi features will also be accessed on the 3DS since it is a DS successor so it should be able to do everything its predecessors could. Honestly, I don't see why people would have such a hard time swallowing that it would be a DSi exclusive playable on a 3DS but are so accepting of buying a completely new system.

Yeah, maybe it'll be the third version's box legendary that can only be caught in the DSi-exclusive area, a sort of foreshadowing to the DSi-exclusiveness of the third version if they go that route.

THey also mention that there is a bigger difference between the two Black and White versions already, but honestly I'm just hoping they're just blowing it out of proportion.

 

[Mr. PBJ]

There are already retail DSi exclusives.

For example? Aside from that Japan-Only Face Training game?

Also, commercials for DS games nowadays mention that they are for "the Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSi", treating them as if they are separate systems, so no, they are not the "same thing".

It's called advertising. If they said "Only for Nintendo DS", it would obscure the DSi. If they said "Only for Nintendo DSi", it would confuse DSLite/Phat owners. The same thing happened when the Lite first came out. The ads would say "Only for Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSLite.".

 

[Jukain]

I don't see anything on the boxes that give any indication of DSi enhancements.

EDIT: Oh, TWR prefix. I wouldn't know the prefix for DSi stuff, if there is one.

 

[Captain Falcon]

My guess: Increased connectivity and the ability to install a DSiware utility on the system, similar to the Mario Kart Channel from Mario Kart Wii but with a different purpose than checking Wifi standings.

 

[The Outrage]

For example? Aside from that Japan-Only Face Training game?



It's called advertising. If they said "Only for Nintendo DS", it would obscure the DSi. If they said "Only for Nintendo DSi", it would confuse DSLite/Phat owners. The same thing happened when the Lite first came out. The ads would say "Only for Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSLite.".

Crappy camera games, and I never recalled them saying DS/DSLite. They only said DS and only showed DSLite pictures, much like how they only seem to show DSiXL but call it DSi.

Still didn't answer what makes Crystal so different that it warranted being a GBC exclusive, or why people are so accepting of a 3DS exclusive game but not a DSi exclusive that would be playable on the 3DS anyway.

Honestly, how much better do you think they can make it without just jumping to the next generation? I mean DP seemed like a beautiful GBA game with minimal touch screen capabilities. That's all I see a 3DS exclusive as, so why not make those minor 3DS features be 3DS enhanced, and make it DSi exclusive for the DS generation.

The DSi has higher specs than the DS and could probably handle bigger carts. If I recall, TM2 mentioned that even on the DSi, DS carts only have access to 4 MB of its memory, a DSi exclusive would allow it to access more of that memory.

 

[Lugiafanatic]

[O]r why people are so accepting of a 3DS exclusive game but not a DSi exclusive that would be playable on the 3DS anyway.

Because, the DSi is just a new version, and the 3DS is a completely new system. -_-

 

[Jeff]

The GBC was a new version of the Gameboy in the same way that the DSi is a new version of the DS, and it had exclusives. Plus, as has already been stated, the DSi has its own exclusives. They may not be the best games in the world, but they do exist.

 

[The Outrage]

Because, the DSi is just a new version, and the 3DS is a completely new system. -_-

And the difference between a DSi is the same as that of a GBC. The DSi is a new version with much better specs that I don't see them surpassing for the third version even if they put it on the 3DS. So do you get where I'm getting at yet? If the DSi can handle the "3DS-exclusive" third game, then why not let it be played on it?

As of now, all we know about the 3DS is optional 3D features, as well as better specs. The DSi has better specs than the DS already, something the Lite didn't have.

Technical specifications
A printed circuit board. A metal chassis and main electronic components dominate opposite ends of the PCB.
The DSi's main printed circuit board

The DSi has more RAM and a faster CPU than the DS Lite;[46] the CPU was also relocated, and the battery housing raised to fill the unused space. Due to the inclusion of Codec IC, which amplifies sound and converts digital signals to analog, the DSi's audio output is louder and higher quality than previous DS models.[7]

The console does not include the Game Boy Advance (GBA) cartridge slot present on earlier models; Nintendo explained that its removal improved portability without sacrificing durability.[23] Because of this, the DSi is not backward compatible with GBA Game Paks, or with accessories that require the GBA slot, such as the Nintendo DS Rumble Pak and the Guitar Hero: On Tour series guitar grip.[47]

* CPU: The DSi has two ARM architecture CPUs; ARM9 and ARM7.[cn 1] The ARM9 is clocked at 133 MHz (almost twice as fast as previous models).[46][48][49]
* RAM: 16 MB of RAM (four times as much as previous models)[31]
* Storage: 256 MB of internal flash memory[51] with a SD card (up to 2 GB) and SDHC card (up to 32 GB) expansion slot[52]
* Wireless: 802.11b/g internal wireless connectivity[32]

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So yeah, compared to the DSLite, it can handle way more, and I don't expect the third version to be so advanced compared to its counterparts that it would warrant being on the 3DS. Besides being DSi "exclusive" while being playable on the 3DS with the minor 3D enhancements we know that they would have given BW if it released there (and otherwise being just a DS game) means that people would still by the 3DS to play it. You also have the stupider people who would buy a DSi over the 3DS instead just to play that game only to wind up buying a 3DS a year later for the new games anyway.

Now here's the specifications for the GBC. If you'll note, the only thing that seemed to make it special was the fact that it was in colour and the Infrared. It probably had slightly better capabilities than the GB since it took less battery power to fuel it and the fact that they created exclusive carts for it.

The DSi has four times the memory which means it can handle bigger carts than the DS already, and it has a much faster CPU. The problem with using bigger DS carts is that it slows down gaming, even on the DSi because normal DS carts only have access to 4 MB of the memory apparently. Now they can create a larger cart, exclusively for the DSi, without much slowdown.

Now unless you think they're honestly going to make the game so massively different in the third version that they needed an entirely new system over a system upgrade that had x4 memory, then there's no reason this shouldn't be a DSi exclusive with 3DS capabilities.

Like I mentioned, I don't want a repeat of DP where it seemed like a pretty GBA game with minor touch screen capabilities.

So now that we've gotten the argument that Pokemon Grey Rainbow pony isn't going to be so amazingly advanced that it warrants a 3DS exclusivity, why on earth do people complain. If its on the DSi with 3DS enhancements, people without a DSi will buy the 3DS anyway. If its on the 3DS, people will have to buy the 3DS again.

Really, apart from the possibility that they'll need to use a better cart than what the DS uses, they aren't going to make the third version's specifications that much better, and since it won't be, a DSi should be able to handle it (minus 3D) and should be allowed to.

Again, I don't actually want it to be exclusive to anything, but at the same time I don't want the first 3DS exclusive Pokemon game to be from the DS generation.

 

[WallflowerCanyon]

So these games are supposed to have something "enhanced" when played on a DSi? Interesting.... I may not be able to do it, but if possible I'd probably buy a DSi out of shear curiosity. But if all it's gonna do is enhance the graphics, then I probably won't bother.

 

[delebreaub]

Maybe, Nintendo is not making these games have DSi exclusive features, maybe it is just to region lock the games. Or it could be to also give us something to light up fourms and message boards.

 

[V Faction]

Until we get some more information about the 3DS (as in, official information on its specs and capabilities), I want people to stop considering it a valid for any Pokemon game.

As for the perks of using a DSi? We had a thread on that some time ago.

- Faster gameplay (in transitioning from screen to screen)
- Camera pictures for your own Profile (just when you least expect it!)
- Exclusive downloadable items (Mystery Gift Store?)
- Past event Pokemon and event Items available (to download any time)
- Better sound quality and recording function (create your own Battle Entry saying!)
- PokemonWare (new apps for the Poketch! New games to play besides Voltorb Flip!)

 

[TM2-Megatron]

And the difference between a DSi is the same as that of a GBC. The DSi is a new version with much better specs that I don't see them surpassing for the third version even if they put it on the 3DS. So do you get where I'm getting at yet? If the DSi can handle the "3DS-exclusive" third game, then why not let it be played on it?

As of now, all we know about the 3DS is optional 3D features, as well as better specs. The DSi has better specs than the DS already, something the Lite didn't have.

Except the 3DS has been confirmed by Nintendo's own press release as being a "successor to the [entire] DS line". It's not just a redesign with moderately better specs. The DSi/XL is still a DS, and it's additional hardware (while superior to the DS Phat/Lite) is rarely used due to its significantly lower market presence than either of its predecessors. There've been a total of two DSi-exclusive cartridges released in all the time that it's been out, and both in different regions... and one of them (Hair Salon, released in Europe) was definitely pure crap . Cartridges which are merely DSi-enhanced are more common, and the enhancements which do use some of the DSi's new hardware are never an essential aspect of the gameply... 'cuz again, there are tons more Phats and Lites in the market than DSi's or XL's. And Nintendo doesn't want to alienate their biggest group of customers.

Now, will the 3rd version (or any potential R/S remakes) be for the 3DS exclusively, or will it retain DSi (or maybe even regular DS) compatibility... who's to say. However it's my belief, and my hope, that by the time either comes (let's face it, we probably won't get either a 3rd version or remakes until late 2011 or sometime in 2012 outside Japan) the DS will essentially have had its day. If GameFreak is still releasing main series Pokemon games that are compatible with the regular DS in 2012, then it's my belief the franchise will be in serious trouble.

B&W should be the last DS (regular or DSi) main series Pokemon games. Considering how far away the 3rd version still is, it should certainly be a 3DS title.