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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/24/taking_liberties/entry5761180.shtml

A few days after leaked e-mail messages appeared on the Internet, the U.S. Congress may probe whether prominent scientists who are advocates of global warming theories misrepresented the truth about climate change.

Sen. James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, said on Monday the leaked correspondence suggested researchers "cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not," according to a transcript of a radio interview posted on his Web site. Aides for Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, are also looking into the disclosure.

The leaked documents (see our previous coverage) come from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in eastern England. In global warming circles, the CRU wields outsize influence: it claims the world's largest temperature data set, and its work and mathematical models were incorporated into the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's 2007 report. That report, in turn, is what the Environmental Protection Agency acknowledged it "relies on most heavily" when concluding that carbon dioxide emissions endanger public health and should be regulated.

Last week's leaked e-mails range from innocuous to embarrassing and, critics believe, scandalous. They show that some of the field's most prominent scientists were so wedded to theories of man-made global warming that they ridiculed dissenters who asked for copies of their data ("have to respond to more crap criticisms from the idiots"), cheered the deaths of skeptical journalists, and plotted how to keep researchers who reached different conclusions from publishing in peer-reviewed journals.

One e-mail message, apparently from CRU director Phil Jones, references the U.K.'s Freedom of Information Act when asking another researcher to delete correspondence that might be disclosed in response to public records law: "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise." Another, also apparently from Jones: global warming skeptics "have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone." (Jones was a contributing author to the chapter of the U.N.'s IPCC report titled "Detection of Climate Change and Attribution of Causes.")

In addition to e-mail messages, the roughly 3,600 leaked documents posted on sites including Wikileaks.org and EastAngliaEmails.com include computer code and a description of how an unfortunate programmer named "Harry" -- possibly the CRU's Ian "Harry" Harris -- was tasked with resuscitating and updating a key temperature database that proved to be problematic. Some excerpts from what appear to be his notes, emphasis added:

I am seriously worried that our flagship gridded data product is produced by Delaunay triangulation - apparently linear as well. As far as I can see, this renders the station counts totally meaningless. It also means that we cannot say exactly how the gridded data is arrived at from a statistical perspective - since we're using an off-the-shelf product that isn't documented sufficiently to say that. Why this wasn't coded up in Fortran I don't know - time pressures perhaps? Was too much effort expended on homogenisation, that there wasn't enough time to write a gridding procedure? Of course, it's too late for me to fix it too. Meh.

I am very sorry to report that the rest of the databases seem to be in nearly as poor a state as Australia was. There are hundreds if not thousands of pairs of dummy stations, one with no WMO and one with, usually overlapping and with the same station name and very similar coordinates. I know it could be old and new stations, but why such large overlaps if that's the case? Aarrggghhh! There truly is no end in sight... So, we can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!

One thing that's unsettling is that many of the assigned WMo codes for Canadian stations do not return any hits with a web search. Usually the country's met office, or at least the Weather Underground, show up – but for these stations, nothing at all. Makes me wonder if these are long-discontinued, or were even invented somewhere other than Canada!

Knowing how long it takes to debug this suite - the experiment endeth here. The option (like all the anomdtb options) is totally undocumented so we'll never know what we lost. 22. Right, time to stop pussyfooting around the niceties of Tim's labyrinthine software suites - let's have a go at producing CRU TS 3.0! since failing to do that will be the definitive failure of the entire project.

Ulp! I am seriously close to giving up, again. The history of this is so complex that I can't get far enough into it before by head hurts and I have to stop. Each parameter has a tortuous history of manual and semi-automated interventions that I simply cannot just go back to early versions and run the update prog. I could be throwing away all kinds of corrections - to lat/lons, to WMOs (yes!), and more. So what the hell can I do about all these duplicate stations?...


As the leaked messages, and especially the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file, found their way around technical circles, two things happened: first, programmers unaffiliated with East Anglia started taking a close look at the quality of the CRU's code, and second, they began to feel sympathetic for anyone who had to spend three years (including working weekends) trying to make sense of code that appeared to be undocumented and buggy, while representing the core of CRU's climate model.

One programmer highlighted the error of relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred. Another debugged the code by pointing out why the output of a calculation that should always generate a positive number was incorrectly generating a negative one. A third concluded: "I feel for this guy. He's obviously spent years trying to get data from undocumented and completely messy sources."

Programmer-written comments inserted into CRU's Fortran code have drawn fire as well. The file briffa_sep98_d.pro says: "Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!" and "APPLY ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION." Another, quantify_tsdcal.pro, says: "Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend - so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!"

It's not clear how the files were leaked. One theory says that a malicious hacker slipped into East Anglia's network and snatched thousands of documents. Another says that the files had already been assembled in response to a Freedom of Information request and, immediately after it was denied, a whistleblower decided to disclose them. (Lending credence to that theory is the fact that no personal e-mail messages unrelated to climate change appear to have been leaked.)

For its part, the University of East Anglia has posted a statement calling the disclosure "mischievous" and saying it is aiding the police in an investigation.

The statement also quotes Jones, CRU's director, explaining his November 1999 e-mail, which said: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." Jones said that the word trick was used "colloquially as in a clever thing to do" and that it "is ludicrous to suggest that it refers to anything untoward."

Also unclear is the ultimate impact of the leak, which came before next month's Copenhagen summit and Democratic plans for cap and trade legislation.

On one hand, over at RealClimate.org, Gavin Schmidt, a modeler for the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has been downplaying the leak. Schmidt wrote: "There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research ... no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no 'marching orders' from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords."

On the other, groups like the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute, the target of repeated derision in the leaked e-mails, have said: "We have argued for many years that much of the scientific case for global warming alarmism was weak and some of it was phony. It now looks like a lot of it may be phony."

ScienceMag.org published an article noting that deleting e-mail messages to hide them from a FOI request is a crime in the United Kingdom. George Monbiot, a U.K. activist and journalist who previously called for dramatic action to deal with global warming, wrote: "It's no use pretending that this isn't a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging."

Complicating matters for congressional Republicans who'd like to hold hearings is that East Anglia, of course, is a U.K. university. The GOP may intend to press the Obama administration for details on how the EPA came to rely on the CRU's predictions, and whether the recent disclosure will change the agency's position. Another approach lies in e-mail messages discussing grants from the U.S. Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to East Anglia; one says: "We need to show some left to cover the costs of the trip Roger didn't make and also the fees/equipment/computer money we haven't spent otherwise NOAA will be suspicious."

The irony of this situation is that most of us expect science to be conducted in the open, without unpublished secret data, hidden agendas, and computer programs of dubious reliability. East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit might have avoided this snafu by publicly disclosing as much as possible at every step of the way.
 
The combination of this thread title and your user name is, I feel, pretty accurate. This is one email taken out of context and blown altogether out of proportion. But I suppose that's how politics always work.

On second thought, I suppose it may :

1)keep them busy and out of mischief.
2)and 2)come to the aforesaid conclusion.
 
Sigh. Yet another reason to argue about whether global warming is real when most scientists agree it is real.

My take is based on: (1) The climate is changing. One just has to look at the diminishing ice pack and glaciers to see something is happening. (2) Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. (3) Mankind's activities produce CO2.

You can argue that global warming isn't caused by human activities, that it's caused by natural processes. But, even if that's true, do we need to help global warming by continuing to generate greenhouse gases?
 
My question is why, if global warming is indeed a "hoax", so many of the most eminent meteorologists on the globe went to so much trouble and effort over the decades in trying to make something up. Seems kinda pointless to me.

Oh, right, they were taking orders from "our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords."

Sheer idiocy.
 
But then you have to say this:


Why do people think a change in climate is a bad thing?


What bugs me is that we all think that the climate should be stationary. If you look over ONLY the last 10000 years we have been comming out of an ice age. ergo the planet has ben slowly heating up.

If the climate doesn't change then evolution stalls and stagnates.

There is no right or correct climate ... only the one we are used to.

And there is one more thing that royaly annoys me. STOP PICKING ON Carbon Dioxide. The only reason it keeps comming up is that the media latched on to the easy rethoric of CO2. There are much worse gasses that are pumped out than the gas needed for photosynthsis in plants and a natural by-product of respiration.

Maybe as a species we should all stop breathing ... that will really reduce the amount of CO2 being released.


Oh and Gadfly ... as much as i dare not risk cross you after last time ... most scientists don't agree dick, there is a large number of scientists who would agree with what i've been saying.
 
Why do people think a change in climate is a bad thing?

Because billions of people live very close to sea level, and climate change that carry a potential increase in sea level would be a global disaster.

As for your "large number", that's a pretty meaningless word. 100 scientists or 1000 scientists stop being a large number when there's 100 000 or 1 000 000 on the other side.
 
But then you have to say this:


Why do people think a change in climate is a bad thing?

Because nature can't adapt if it happens overnight. Not litterally meant.

If the climate doesn't change then evolution stalls and stagnates.

That is not entirely true. Evolution can occur when the global climate is still the same. It's two different things, local climate and global climate. But stressing evolution could very well be very dangerous, making the species extinct before they even manage to evolve to the new climate is very unfortunate.

There is no right or correct climate ... only the one we are used to.

And there is one more thing that royaly annoys me. STOP PICKING ON Carbon Dioxide. The only reason it keeps comming up is that the media latched on to the easy rethoric of CO2. There are much worse gasses that are pumped out than the gas needed for photosynthsis in plants and a natural by-product of respiration.

Again, CO2 is the gas created by any form of combustion in air with organic material. And what we burn is organic material that have been stored underground for millions of years. If you remove something slowly (like this carbon in question), things can adapt. If you pour it all out in a matter of hundred of years, which isn't a lot of time, you have yourself a problem.

Methane and nitrous oxide are all more powerful gases (especially methane is dangerous, since it's generated by swamps and cows for instance), but as we some day need to cut down on our use of fossil fuels anyways, CO2 is the easiest gas to release. CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 50 years, no? That means if we don't act now, we're screwed for years to come.

And besides, forests are cut down as we speak, meaning less trees to absorb CO2 and create oxygen. CO2 is of course needed, we could not live without it, but cutting down huge areas of forests and letting them rot/burn releases insane amounts of CO2 while in the meantime cutting down on biodiversity and causes erosion, which means there will be less food. Nobody wins.

Maybe as a species we should all stop breathing ... that will really reduce the amount of CO2 being released.

That's just childish. Animals and plants form a symbiote, and neither could live without the other.

Oh and Gadfly ... as much as i dare not risk cross you after last time ... most scientists don't agree dick, there is a large number of scientists who would agree with what i've been saying.

Mighty numbers you got there. I've heard that at least 90 % of the world climate-researchers agree with global warming. Should we listen to them or the vast minority? Does it really make sense? At all?
 
Our civilization is also based on what the climate is now. Do you have any idea how many products and services we enjoy are dependent on the climate? Climate change would put an end to Major League Baseball as we know it as the trees they make bats from would find themselves in a climate they're not accustomed to as just one example.

Climate does change naturally. However, we're causing it to change at a rate that greatly outpaces evolution and migration.
 
So private e-mails and the language used in them being used to attack the basic science. The line "have to respond to more crap criticisms from the idiots" is fairly tame compared to some of the things I've said in private about referees comments on my papers (which have nothing at all to do with climate change).

Whether you believe in man-made global warming or not CO2 is still a pollutant which affects people, and for this reason alone we should try to limit the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. And it's generally just the media that picks on carbon dioxide, most scientists think that decreasing all air-borne pollutants would generally be a good thing, CO2 is the most abundant and therefore easiest to tackle at this stage however.

The simple fact is that the energy flow to the earth is constant (mainly form the sun http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~moyer/GEOS24705/Earth_energy_flow.gif) the only thing that varies the temperature of the earth's ecosystem is the amount of heat radiated back to space. An increase in greenhouse gases does lead to less heat being radiated from the earth and hence the earth heating. There are two main reasons why this is important for the human species and the earth. Firstly for the human species as the human body can only survive in a limited temperature window, push the temperature up too much too fast and our bodies have no chance of adapting in time leading if not to the extinction of the species then to the demise of the majority of it.

Secondly, for the planet, heating will melt the polar ice caps, dumping a lot of fresh water into the oceans. This will have two main effects, firstly it will flood any low lying coastal towns and cities, these just happen to be where the majority of humans live. Secondly it will have a profound effect on the ocean currents over the whole planet, when you consider the fact that the ocean currents are largely responsible for the planets weather you can see how this could be a problem.

Oh and Gadfly ... as much as i dare not risk cross you after last time ... most scientists don't agree dick, there is a large number of scientists who would agree with what i've been saying.

Most generally means the majority, while there may be a large number of scientists that don't agree with man-made global warming they are probably outnumbered about 10 to 1 by those that do agree that man-made global warming exists, this is what people mean by most scientists.
 
There's the global warming debate thread, but this is somewhat a tangent of that.

What I see in it, though, is that the stupid whiners are pointing at the scientists who called them stupid whiners in private, saying "THEY'RE SO MEAN", when all that the stupid whiners do is call them liars in public.

Which is the problem. Don't focus on what the media says. The media aren't damned scientists. The media didn't give every calculation made to get us to the moon, they just gave us footage of us on it. Oh noes moon hoax. All the media does is report, especially in the modern day, what will get them viewers. That's the way the strategy goes, even though the same corporations own a news division as well as several profitable entertainment divisions.

Carbon dioxide is a large component of our emissions. If we can cut that by changing over from the fossil fuels which will run out sometime in the near future anyway (and which the Middle East has a stranglehold on, causing our entire wellbeing to depend on not pissing off their stupid religious leaders)... what's it matter if global warming is happening because of that or not? You want energy independence? It's not gonna happen by drilling for our own oil, which is nowhere near as plentiful and is no comparison to the loss of our beautiful wilderness compared with the harsh desert sands of the Middle East.

And Congress is an inefficient money hole anyway, considering the Senate's Republicans have an instruction manual to obstruct any sort of debate for any reason. They're failsacks with any sort of healthcare reform, what makes you think them probing these emails will get us anywhere within the next year or so, anyway?
 
I'm not going to do a line-by-line thing here. There's too much for me to do that.

These e-mails are bad. They show a lot of things that have gone on in the scientific community regarding GW. They have manipulated data and blocked dissent.

Then realize that government decisions are made around these choices. Things that could drastically affect us are based around this data. Things such as the IPCC's infamous report on carbon being dangerous or their stance on GW have been decided off of this data.

This scandal is less about GW as a whole as it is about man-made GW. The climate is constantly changing, and GW on it's own would be no cause for concern. A stagnant climate would be greater cause for concern. All of the action around GW comes from limiting man's supposed effect on the climate.

Climategate: Science Is Dying

Climategate: Follow the Money

Whether or not you believe in GW is besides the point. This is plainly corrupt and needs to be investigated. You can keep believing in GW if you want, but you can't and shouldn't stand to use data like the data that has been manipulated. If you want credibility, you shouldn't support data that are under question like this.
 
The last time I checked, Al Gore was a polititian and not a scientist, let alone a meteorologist.
 
Whether or not you believe in GW is besides the point. This is plainly corrupt and needs to be investigated. You can keep believing in GW if you want, but you can't and shouldn't stand to use data like the data that has been manipulated. If you want credibility, you shouldn't support data that are under question like this.

Again, one incident like this and suddenly all the theories on global warming crumble and fall together. Based on some blown-out-of-proportion emails? Isn't that like saying just because the oil companies have bribed some scientists to make up data, doesn't mean that suddenly all scientists that oppose global warming is in the pockets of those companies and all their research is worth nothing. Of course not, but it would seem that some believe just that, except the other way around.

As for money, who has the most to lose? The oil-companies? How much have they used on lobbying against global warming, I wonder... And besides, research costs money. If you want to cut down on use of oil, and that is hardly a bad thing at all, you need to fund research that promotes more sustainable resources. And there's really not too much work going on there right now.

Support questionable data? How does this emails suddenly question pretty much all the data on global warming? Honestly, I trust the scientists more than I trust anyone else in this matter. Why shouldn't I?
 
Again, one incident like this and suddenly all the theories on global warming crumble and fall together.

I never said that. Nobody here did.

Support questionable data? How does this emails suddenly question pretty much all the data on global warming? Honestly, I trust the scientists more than I trust anyone else in this matter. Why shouldn't I?

Data like this is questionable. When I talk about not supporting questionable data, I'm talking about some of the comments on this thread claiming that this scandel doesn't matter and that it doesn't disprove GW. That's not the point. The point is that this data is corrupt. We need to do what's right, not what's ideologically correct.
 
Then let's investigate everyone who's ever put out data with the intent of proving or disproving global climate change.
 
Why is investigating everyone a bad argument? They won't refuse it if they have something to hide, won't they? I certainly hope you don't mean that only scientists agreeing with global warming should be investigated. That would be ridiculous.

As for the article, see the other thread.
 
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