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Continuity Is For the Weak

Blackjack Gabbiani

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So we all know how consistant Pokémon at being inconsistant. Share your favorite examples here! Note, please try to bear in mind which are actual errors versus which are simply either dub errors, or errors concerning things that didn't exist yet (Ash confusing Articuno for Ho-Oh in the second episode), or differences between versions (the apparently nonexistance of Janine in the animeverse).
Maybe we can have fun trying to explain these things too.


-So the episode with Eusine aired early December 2001, followed a few weeks later with Legend of Thunder, in which he also appeared. Tell me, why does he act so dramatically different? Why is he a raging impulsive asshole in the Ho-Oh ep while in LoT he's a laid-back guy who warns Kenta "A time like this is when it's most important to be calm. If you rush in blindly, you won't accomplish anything!" (from a fan translation), something that seems to go against his very nature in the episode?
Does something about being around Morty just piss him off or something? Because if these had aired in the opposite order, I could have seen why he would have changed--seeing Raikou in danger would have brought out his hypervigilant, overprotective side. But in this order it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, especially in the span of a few weeks! And we know LoT happened given that Jackson, Marina, and the three Rockets appear elsewhere in the series. Unless they exist without the special having happened...


-Also in LoT, Eusine says that Raikou once lived in harmony with humans. But that *also* goes against the Ho-Oh episode, as well as any other time the legend of the Legendary Dogs is given (including other episodes and the games themselves). Every other time, they were created by Ho-Oh from creatures that had died in the blaze, and set off across the land immediately.


-So where the hell did James get Weepinbell anyway? Sure he has that flashback to catching it, but that was years later and we can never trust their memories or their presentations.


-Ash tries to stop everyone he can from capturing Legendaries...so then why does he try to *help* Nelson capture Entei? And why does he say absolutely nothing when Brandon shows up with not one, not two, but ALL THREE Regis?


-Ash and friends were presumed dead with the sinking of the St Anne. Yet not two episodes later, he runs into his mother on a jolly vacation with Professor Oak. She's surprised to see him, but not *that* surprised. Even if she'd found out he survived, wouldn't she want to grab him and hug him and all that? Look how she reacted to him *risking* his life in the second movie.


-For that matter, Mewtwo blows up the Rocket headquarters, ruining no doubt millions of dollars of irreplacable equipment, supplies, information, and structures...to say nothing of how many agents were in there at the time. Giovanni is the only person we see crawling out of the rubble, and yet the very next time we see him, he's lounging on the beach relaxing. Given his need for control and power over everything he commands, I honestly can't see him agreeing to take a day off in that situation unless he'd been heavily sedated.



More will no doubt come later. I look forward to seeing yours as well!
 
How about the special that spawned the title of this thread. Is that cannon, or is Pokemon Tech/Bike Gang cannon? And what about Musashi at the school for Luckys, or the recently revealed past where she was trying to be an idol but failed, or living on snow? Where does any of that fit in? There's also Nyasu having Persian replace him, to Persian being there before him.

At least the things we learn about Kojiro don't mess things up anymore than they are now.
 
Living on snow was before she would have met James in any of those timelines.

My *guess* is that they went to school together, had the bike gang together...and then had some sort of falling out, leading to their bitterness in Training Daze. Although that still wouldn't account for their revealing so much about themselves in that ep.
As for Meowth, he's also delusional, and if you notice he never sees Persian in that ep. On the other hand, he's mentioned being Top Cat in front of Giovanni before, and Gio never objected.
 
All right, what about that episode WAY back in the Kanto series when we were introduced to Jessibelle? Jessie, James, and Meowth are sneaking through the basement, and Meowth makes a comment about "funny gym equipment" -- in the Japanese version, I'm almost 99% sure it's a reference to bondage ^_~ gotta love 4kids censorship
 
OK, that's not a continuity error. And given that they didn't make move one to cover it up, I wouldn't call that censorship. If they really wanted to cover up bondage, they probably would have cut the entire episode. You know, since Jessibelle whips James constantly and all that.

Either way, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
Some strange things I've noticed:

Brock and Misty don't know who Gary is when they first meet him. But, wait, Gary was always ahead of Ash and we see his badges at one point. He has the Boulder Badge. Brock would have still been the Gym Leader when Gary had his battle.

You can argue that many trainers would go in and out and he wouldn't remember them all, but you would think Brock would have noticed his cheerleaders and even remembered them... how many trainers have a group of attractive female cheerleaders?

Also, Team Rocket is apparently psychic. After everyone returns to Kanto from the Orange Islands, Meowth comments that Brock must have embarassed himself in front of Professor Ivy.

... Okay, how did he know who Ivy was? Team Rocket never went to the lab, they were fixing the blimp the whole time. They notice Brock isn't there on the blimp ride, but Ash and Misty didn't explain why, so all Team Rocket really knew was that Brock had remained on Valencia Island for some reason.

I can't really see the twerps casually explaining to Team Rocket offscreen why their squinty friend stayed behind.
 
So we all know how consistant Pokémon at being inconsistant. Share your favorite examples here! Note, please try to bear in mind which are actual errors versus which are simply either dub errors, or errors concerning things that didn't exist (...)

I can answer those:

Eusine = Hypocrite
Ash is short sighted on his goals because he is 10-14
Giovanni = Evil Leader:p
Ash = adopted (no father question finally solved! Ash's mom doesn't know!)

See, pokemon makes no mistakes (GS ball never happened)
 
Brock and Misty don't know who Gary is when they first meet him. But, wait, Gary was always ahead of Ash and we see his badges at one point. He has the Boulder Badge. Brock would have still been the Gym Leader when Gary had his battle.

We don't know which order he got the bedges in. He could've gone somewhere else first, then gone to Nibi after Takeshi had left town.

-Ash and friends were presumed dead with the sinking of the St Anne. Yet not two episodes later, he runs into his mother on a jolly vacation with Professor Oak. She's surprised to see him, but not *that* surprised. Even if she'd found out he survived, wouldn't she want to grab him and hug him and all that? Look how she reacted to him *risking* his life in the second movie.

It's possible, though not very likely, that since they never actually bought the tickets, there was no records of their names anywhere, so they simply hadn't been identified yet when they reached Aopulco.

...or are their names actually mentioned in the seremony at the start of the episode where they escape the ship? I forgot.
 
It's possible, though not very likely, that since they never actually bought the tickets, there was no records of their names anywhere, so they simply hadn't been identified yet when they reached Aopulco.

...or are their names actually mentioned in the seremony at the start of the episode where they escape the ship? I forgot.


In the dub, atleast, I'm 99% sure they did mention them by name.

As for other inconsistencies, in the fight with Richie, I recall Squirtle being considered unable to battle because of Sleep Powder, but against Flannery Corphish was allowed to keep going for a long time after he fell asleep. Perhaps Gym rules and League rules are different?

As for the others already listed...

*There are TWO Euicine's who are also long lost twins, with the same Pokemon. Or he was just having a really bad day in the episode and is usually more calm.

*Meowth's top cat thing is probably just Giovanni not caring enough to correct him. Alternatively, maybe he DID become top cat for some time between the events? It was implied they were quite effective in their early career.

*Ash's seeming inconsistency on legendary Pokemon may be explainable; capturing the bird trio from the movie causes...problems. Also, aren't most people trying to capture legendary's going to do evil with them? Unless Brandon is hiding something big, him having Regi's isn't as much of a problem as Team Rocket somehow managing to get an Articuno or some Lugia's.
Also, the Legendary's people are trying to steal usually get portrayed as incredibly strong; Brandon's Regis were, in alot of ways, pretty lame for Legendary's. Regice put up, in all honesty, a pretty bad fight compared to lots of other opponenets and Registeel almost lost to Torkoal, Pokemon's answer to Yamcha.

*TR knowing about Ivy...here's a random theory: Maybe offscreen during "Bound For Trouble", Meowth asked out of curiosity where ol squinty went, and Pikachu told him, then Meowth later mentioned it to Jessie and James? Unlikely, but possible; I can easily see him casually asking during the long, boring times where there's nothing to do but keep walking.

*I assume they hadn't contacted Delia yet. Maybe she was already on vacation and they couldn't find her.

*Giovanni's inexplicible vacation is easy; he WAS heavily sedated. Mondo probably dropped something in his morning coffee.
 
As for other inconsistencies, in the fight with Richie, I recall Squirtle being considered unable to battle because of Sleep Powder, but against Flannery Corphish was allowed to keep going for a long time after he fell asleep. Perhaps Gym rules and League rules are different?

I think its mostly that Season 1 battle rules and the rest of the show are different. If you notice, most of Kanto's battles were seriously short and wins were determined by a lot of weird things that the writers never did again.

Pikachu was able to hurt Rhydon by aiming for his horn in Kanto, yet when Pikachu did that again in the seasons that came after it didn't work.

Charmander faints in Erika's Gym simply because of Stun Spore, and not because of an attacking move.

I think its for the same reason that Season 1 had real animals and other stuff, the writers were just starting the show out at the time and they weren't exactly sure how they wanted the show to be yet.
 
True, I don't consider most of Season 1's battles or the rules to be very good. But of course it was 1st Season and they didn't know how battles would go, I give them a break on that.
 
Ash = adopted (no father question finally solved! Ash's mom doesn't know!)
Am I misreading this, or are you trying to say that if Ash is adopted, Delia wouldn't give a shit about him seemingly coming back from the dead? XD

Hmm, how about Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden (the episode, not the website)? In it, Brock was all nervous about being around a pretty girl. And then Misty thought Brock having a crush on a girl was the funniest thing in the world and made fun of him. :p Kinda funny how that dynamic developed in the completely opposite way.

*goes off-topic* Gah, I hate Kanto battles. Ash vs. Richie was the lowest point of the entire series for me.
 
I always liked the Ash vs. Richie battle simply because Charizard is what caused Ash to lose, not so much TR or Richie.

Prof. Oak then lectures Ash that if he trained his Charizard properly he might have won that match. That was one of my favorite moments of Season 1, Ash did literally no training in the episodes between the Viridian Gym and the Pokemon league and that's why he lost. I also rather like it that Charizard turns into Ash's powerhouse after that, and we see how far he's come.
 
How about when Tracey actually meets Professor Oak in the second movie?

He meets him in person at the end of Pokemon The Movie: 2000 and seems to hardly even care, all nonchalant about it and all. Then later, he returns to Pallet Town with Ash and meets Professor Oak for the second time, he gets all nervous and goes complete fanboy on him, excited that he "finally gets to meet" his idol, Professor Oak!

The movie obviously took place before the episodes where Tracey came to Pallet Town for the first time, so what's up with that?
 
I think somebody said this before, but events in movies don't always carry over into the anime. Not everyone had/has seen the second movie when it came out to theaters, so having him NOT freak out would confuse the viewers who haven't seen the movie.
 
I think somebody said this before, but events in movies don't always carry over into the anime. Not everyone had/has seen the second movie when it came out to theaters, so having him NOT freak out would confuse the viewers who haven't seen the movie.

Yeah, but they have referenced the second movie in the anime. In one of the Johto episodes about the baby Lugia, Ash says that he saw a Lugia in the Orange Islands, which would have to be the one we saw in the second movie.

But yeah. This just further proves how inconsistent they can be. xD
 
In "For Ho-oh the Bells Toll" wasn't Ash surprised to see Suicune? Yet he had, in the fourth movie.

Or maybe I'm wrong. But he definitely 'Dexed it.
 
In the Lapras episode from Master Quest, Brock says that "we haven't seen Lapras since we were in the Orange Islands".
We don't know which order he got the bedges in. He could've gone somewhere else first, then gone to Nibi after Takeshi had left town.
It's pretty much implied repeatedly that Gary did the first half of Kanto in the same order as Ash. And we know Gary fought Samurai and vandalised the sign leading to Cerulean City before Ash got to those locations so he was definately ahead around episode 5. Brock seemed to already know Gary's Starter Pokémon when it was revealed too.

The bigger inconsistency here is Ash and Gary acting like they've never met each other in episode one despite supposedly being lifelong rivals. They definately seem to know each other in flashbacks.

*There are TWO Euicine's who are also long lost twins, with the same Pokemon.
One of them even has a different name!

See? The differences in the dub work out more than some people care to admit. :p
 
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