Could gen V be one of the shortest gens of the series?

[MetroLSD]

I heard gen V is done after BW2 with only four main series games and four spin-offs it seems this gen will be the second shortest generation beaten only by gen II please tell me im wrong as we haven't even gotten a gen V Mystery Dungeon, Ranger or Stadium game yet.

 

[Rainami]

I disagree, I think this will actually be one of the longer generations. Recently there has been roughly a four year gap between generations, because making the generations too close to each other would be stupid, and would irritate a lot of the fanbase. For one, people need a decent amount of time to "catch them all", and with every new generation people need more time to capture the Pokemon.

Also, Game Freak really needs to prepare for the inevitable cease in the creation of new generations, which will probably be soon. They have to stop making new generations eventually, and Pokemon being the insanely popular franchise it is, they can't just let it die. They need ideas for what to do when they stop making new generations, and taking a break would likely give them more experience, ideas, etc.

There's plenty of games GF could make this generation. Ruby/Sappire remakes are most likely to happen, another Mystery Dungeon game, Snap 2, a new 3D battle game, Ranger, etc. And of course they could make new unique series that could greatly benefit Pokemon in the future.

 

[The Outrage]

What's with the expectation of a Mystery Dungeon or Ranger game? Yes, they've had sequels, but within the generation. There's nothing to suggest that it was going to be a continuing spin-off series. I don't know why people always want more of the same.

Either way, three years was the standard in earlier generations. I don't see how this would be the shortest.

@PkmnCrystal;

Your comments don't really seem to be derived from anything other than your own opinion. How would making it too close irritate the fanbase? The fanbase were fairly irritated with Gen IV being so long. It also wouldn't take more than a year to "catch them all" if they didn't hold certain Pokemon back from the games. You're also acting as if the gap would be smaller than normal, and this generation will likely last three years with BW2 coming out, making it standard.

Finally, you say that Game Freak needs to prepare "for the inevitable cease in the creation of new generations", but you don't actually explain why this is inevitable, especially since Game Freak controls when new generations are released, not some outside omnipotent force. Unless Nintendo counts. Finally, you say it will happen soon. These comments, along with your previous ones simply indicate that you yourself cannot fathom a larger number of Pokemon. It doesn't mean there won't be.

You also say RSEmakes are likely to happen, when the only evidence towards it being likely is a non-existent two-point pattern, and somehow a shred of hope that in a generation in which Game Freak has shown, quite marvelously, that they are willing to break precedents they set, that they will follow this same pattern of game release.

Finally, Game Freak clearly didn't want to split the generation between two systems as they could have easily released BW2 on the 3DS (they were one of the first to be given the 3DS development kits, which lead to the initial assumption that BW would be 3DS). The next game they have to release would probably be on the 3DS given that its become popular enough, and the DS is being phased out. Nintendo's going to want its second best franchise supporting its current handheld. It makes no sense for the first main series entry to be a remake.

 

[Rainami]

Nintendo's going to want its second best franchise supporting its current handheld. It makes no sense for the first main series entry to be a remake.

That seems like it's entirely opinion too, I see nothing wrong with the R/S remakes being the first Pokemon games on the console.

 

[The Outrage]

Nintendo's going to want its second best franchise supporting its current handheld. It makes no sense for the first main series entry to be a remake.

That seems like it's entirely opinion too, I see nothing wrong with the R/S remakes being the first Pokemon games on the console.

Entirely opinion that Nintendo wants its current system to be supported by its own franchises? Seems more like an intuitive assumption given that Nintendo is a business. The second part, perhaps. However, what sells a generation is the new Pokemon. Fans move to new systems because of a new generation. If any remake is to succeed, I would think it needs to be released on the same system as the current generation since that's where its base is at. Remakes sell less than new generation games. They certainly would not sell any better when they're forcing fans to buy a $170 system.

 

[Silktree]

I heard gen V is done after BW2 with only four main series games and four spin-offs it seems this gen will be the second shortest generation beaten only by gen II please tell me im wrong as we haven't even gotten a gen V Mystery Dungeon, Ranger or Stadium game yet.

Even if Generation VI is released next year, which is the most reasonable assumption, there will still be time for at least three releases by other companies. For one thing, I expect a new Wii game to be released around late September or early October (before the Wii U's release). There should also be time for two 3DS spin-off releases in the first half of 2013; the new generation may only be released in November or even December of that year.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Apparently you haven't heard about the gaps between Gen I and Gen II, where they were about the same number of gaps as Gen V.

 

[P0kelegend]

Finally, Game Freak clearly didn't want to split the generation between two systems as they could have easily released BW2 on the 3DS (they were one of the first to be given the 3DS development kits, which lead to the initial assumption that BW would be 3DS). The next game they have to release would probably be on the 3DS given that its become popular enough, and the DS is being phased out. Nintendo's going to want its second best franchise supporting its current handheld. It makes no sense for the first main series entry to be a remake.

How could they have "easily" released BW2 on the 3DS? They received the development kit in early 2010, and I assume that already started production on B2W2 since it makes sense that it was developed alongside BW so they knew what to include in B2W2, and what not to include in BW. I fail to see how they "easily" could have released BW2 on the 3DS. It would mean they would have to develop a new 3D engine for the game and re-do everything if they intended to use the 3DS to its full advantage.

I just don't think there is enough evidence for people to come to the conclusion that they will jump straight to Gen VI next year. They very well may, but there is hardly enough evidence to support it other than the "the next main game has to be for the 3DS because Nintendo wants it and it wont be a remake because Gen VI has to be the first on 3DS". It's nothing but an assumption.

 

[Silktree]

I just don't think there is enough evidence for people to come to the conclusion that they will jump straight to Gen VI next year. They very well may, but there is hardly enough evidence to support it other than the "the next main game has to be for the 3DS because Nintendo wants it and it wont be a remake because Gen VI has to be the first on 3DS". It's nothing but an assumption.

It's a more reasonable assumption to make than the assumption that there have to be remakes in every generation no matter the circumstances. It was fine when people assumed that most of the Generation V games would end up on the 3DS, but we know better than that now. Why would Game Freak develop "a new 3D engine and re-do everything" just for a remake that would be considered part of a DS-based generation? You said it yourself: It isn't easy, so the effort would be better spent on a new generation that would lure more people to buy a 3DS. Releasing remakes would be a waste in that they would be rendered obsolete by a new generation just a year later. That was acceptable with HGSS since they were sandwiched between DS games, but in your scenario the remakes would be Game Freak's first approach to a new system.

 

[P0kelegend]

I just don't think there is enough evidence for people to come to the conclusion that they will jump straight to Gen VI next year. They very well may, but there is hardly enough evidence to support it other than the "the next main game has to be for the 3DS because Nintendo wants it and it wont be a remake because Gen VI has to be the first on 3DS". It's nothing but an assumption.

It's a more reasonable assumption to make than the assumption that there have to be remakes in every generation no matter the circumstances. It was fine when people assumed that most of the Generation V games would end up on the 3DS, but we know better than that now. Why would Game Freak develop "a new 3D engine and re-do everything" just for a remake that would be considered part of a DS-based generation? You said it yourself: It isn't easy, so the effort would be better spent on a new generation that would lure more people to buy a 3DS. Releasing remakes would be a waste in that they would be rendered obsolete by a new generation just a year later. That was acceptable with HGSS since they were sandwiched between DS games, but in your scenario the remakes would be Game Freak's first approach to a new system.

I wasn't arguing in favor of the remakes though, nor did I mention that they would be their first approach to a new system as I disagree with that. I was just stating there is no evidence to completely believe Gen VI is coming next year. I don't think we'll be seeing remakes as the first game on the 3DS either, because it would be a bad business move considering like you yourself said. But its all just an assumption by us all.

But, my point was, that there is no evidence for both sides. GameFreak and Nintendo can do what they please, so no mater what people's opinions are on things they can pull out either move.. releasing Gen VI next year on the 3DS, or releasing the remakes first on the 3DS. There's no evidence for either so its a pointless argument really.

 

[Silktree]

But, my point was, that there is no evidence for both sides. GameFreak and Nintendo can do what they please, so no mater what people's opinions are on things they can pull out either move.. releasing Gen VI next year on the 3DS, or releasing the remakes first on the 3DS. There's no evidence for either so its a pointless argument really.

So we can only discuss things that have been confirmed now? Why should I think that a 3DS remake release is equally likely as ending Generation V "early" when the latter makes more sense?

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

There's plenty of games GF could make this generation. Ruby/Sappire remakes are most likely to happen, another Mystery Dungeon game, Snap 2, a new 3D battle game, Ranger, etc. And of course they could make new unique series that could greatly benefit Pokemon in the future.

You do realize that Game Freak did not make the Snap, PMD and Ranger games on their own right? They were largely developed by other developers.

If it's true that Gen VI will happen soon, then I will agree that V definitely feels like the shortest to me. I'll be a little disappointed if VI is announced so soon, as I still feel like V needs more time to age. But with the 3DS around now, it's only inevitable that Game Freak will make a generation for that platform. If V were 3DS-exclusive, then I'd definitely feel that V would last longer. That's my opinion, at least.

 

[Cybersai]

The fact that BW2 is being billed as a complete new game makes me think they want it to last at least 4 years. This game is very likely to satisfy fans with an *almost* new experience rather than a remake or third version.

 

[Silktree]

The fact that BW2 is being billed as a complete new game makes me think they want it to last at least 4 years. This game is very likely to satisfy fans with an *almost* new experience rather than a remake or third version.

Which is a logical move if they want this generation to consist only of four versions; going back to three versions would be a disappointment, but this isn't. That doesn't mean that they want this generation to last four years. I can't imagine not seeing any main series game next year when the 3DS will need that push by then. Besides, a December release would give B2W2 a year and a half of being in the limelight.

 

[Rainami]

Nintendo's going to want its second best franchise supporting its current handheld. It makes no sense for the first main series entry to be a remake.

That seems like it's entirely opinion too, I see nothing wrong with the R/S remakes being the first Pokemon games on the console.

Entirely opinion that Nintendo wants its current system to be supported by its own franchises? Seems more like an intuitive assumption given that Nintendo is a business. The second part, perhaps. However, what sells a generation is the new Pokemon. Fans move to new systems because of a new generation. If any remake is to succeed, I would think it needs to be released on the same system as the current generation since that's where its base is at. Remakes sell less than new generation games. They certainly would not sell any better when they're forcing fans to buy a $170 system.

I was referring only to the second part, for the record. But you have a point.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

So... I am going to say I think it might as well be the longest generation.

The reason BW2 are for DS is that right now, the DS is still much stronger than the 3DS, and it wouldn't have been viable to release the games on it at all.
But when the 3DS goes strong (something it is, right now, in the way of doing), nothing is really stopping them from having a cross-console generation, that would be extended similarly as Gen II did.

Basically, what I mean is that, in the case they DO decide to use BW2 as a "bridge" between DS and 3DS, there will be most likely another game of the main continuity shortly afterwards, that will be a 3DS exclusive.
And well, BW2 do seem to be promoting the 3DS to an extent, despite being DS games. And they are going to be promoting the 3DS more and more during the rest of the generation anyway (ex: all expected side games? 3DS and wiiU), so it'd make little sense to not have a main game exclusive for it that took direct correlation with all these.

 

[Silktree]

But when the 3DS goes strong (something it is, right now, in the way of doing), nothing is really stopping them from having a cross-console generation, that would be extended similarly as Gen II did.

Generation II was based on the Game Boy Color, hence the reason it wasn't launched in 1998 as originally planned. Gold and Silver could simply be used on the Game Boy much like every single GBC game of their time. They still looked very much like Crystal and other GBC-exclusive games.

Basically, what I mean is that, in the case they DO decide to use BW2 as a "bridge" between DS and 3DS, there will be most likely another game of the main continuity shortly afterwards, that will be a 3DS exclusive.
And well, BW2 do seem to be promoting the 3DS to an extent, despite being DS games. And they are going to be promoting the 3DS more and more during the rest of the generation anyway (ex: all expected side games? 3DS and wiiU), so it'd make little sense to not have a main game exclusive for it that took direct correlation with all these.

Sorry, but you didn't really explain your position. Why would it make little sense if Generation V didn't have a 3DS-exclusive game? How can B2W2 be called a bridge between the DS and 3DS when they are merely compatible with the AR Searcher? That relatively minor fact could be interpreted in all sorts of ways. One would think that Game Freak would do something to encourage people to buy a 3DS in preparation for next year regardless of which generation will be involved. But the fact remains that B2W2's actual gameplay is unaffected by the 3DS.

If this were the longest generation yet, I don't see why Meloetta would be distributed alongside Keldeo or why the anime would be going so fast.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Since there is no proof or evidence of a new generation coming next year, I have no reasons to believe that Gen V will be the shortest.
To be honest, it may be the longest, if you ask me.

I disagree, I think this will actually be one of the longer generations. Recently there has been roughly a four year gap between generations, because making the generations too close to each other would be stupid, and would irritate a lot of the fanbase. For one, people need a decent amount of time to "catch them all", and with every new generation people need more time to capture the Pokemon.

Also, Game Freak really needs to prepare for the inevitable cease in the creation of new generations, which will probably be soon. They have to stop making new generations eventually, and Pokemon being the insanely popular franchise it is, they can't just let it die. They need ideas for what to do when they stop making new generations, and taking a break would likely give them more experience, ideas, etc.

There's plenty of games GF could make this generation. Ruby/Sappire remakes are most likely to happen, another Mystery Dungeon game, Snap 2, a new 3D battle game, Ranger, etc. And of course they could make new unique series that could greatly benefit Pokemon in the future.

I completely agree with your position.
Specially with the bold parts.

 

[voicerocker]

I disagree, I think this will actually be one of the longer generations. Recently there has been roughly a four year gap between generations, because making the generations too close to each other would be stupid, and would irritate a lot of the fanbase. For one, people need a decent amount of time to "catch them all", and with every new generation people need more time to capture the Pokemon.

I don't think it would take 4 years to "catch them all". Besides, "Gotta catch 'em all" isn't even the slogan for the games anymore.

Also, Game Freak really needs to prepare for the inevitable cease in the creation of new generations, which will probably be soon. They have to stop making new generations eventually, and Pokemon being the insanely popular franchise it is, they can't just let it die. They need ideas for what to do when they stop making new generations, and taking a break would likely give them more experience, ideas, etc.

To me, this just seems like another way to say "There are too many Pokemon". There is nothing to suggest that Game Freak will or is planning to stop releasing new generations of Pokemon, regions and characters. How do you see it as being "inevitable"?

There's plenty of games GF could make this generation. Ruby/Sappire remakes are most likely to happen, another Mystery Dungeon game, Snap 2, a new 3D battle game, Ranger, etc. And of course they could make new unique series that could greatly benefit Pokemon in the future.

I do agree that we could see some spinoffs, specifically the next "Battle Revolution" style game after B2/W2, but that doesn't mean Gen 6 couldn't come next year too. And I personally think R/S/E remakes will be saved for when the GBA games aren't compatible with the current system, which will be the 3DS in Gen 6.

 

[sonic10158]

Besides, "Gotta catch 'em all" isn't even the slogan for the games anymore.

when did they drop it??