Cultural Marxism?

[Argy]

I somehow have ended up in a debate with a right-winger on my school paper's website. You can read about it more in detail at my LJ.

Anyway, he keeps writing about "Cultural Marxism," which I had never heard of before this debate. I've tried reading about it but I still am having a hard time narrowing it down to its essence. Does anyone know exactly what it is and if any unbiased sources give it credence? From what I can gather it's a theory that liberals are now taking rights away from white men instead of proletariat taking from the bourgeoisie.

EDIT: This article was helpful.

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

Never heard of the term, although I do say that White men have little to no respect anymore. I mean, white men are the only ones we can really make fun of. Although, most liberals I have met, are quite prejudice against blacks, so I really don't know what to say on this issue.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

I somehow have ended up in a debate with a right-winger on my school paper's website. You can read about it more in detail at my LJ.

Anyway, he keeps writing about "Cultural Marxism," which I had never heard of before this debate. I've tried reading about it but I still am having a hard time narrowing it down to its essence. Does anyone know exactly what it is and if any unbiased sources give it credence? From what I can gather it's a theory that liberals are now taking rights away from white men instead of proletariat taking from the bourgeoisie.

EDIT: This article was helpful.

Wikipedia has some nice, basic info. And "criticisms" of the argument.

Cultural Marxism is a form of Marxism that adds an analysis of the role of the media, art, theatre, film and other cultural institutions in a society, often with an added emphasis on race and gender in addition to class

Although, most liberals I have met, are quite prejudice against blacks, so I really don't know what to say on this issue.

Where in the world are you hanging out?

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

Wikipedia has some nice, basic info. And "criticisms" of the argument.





Where in the world are you hanging out?

Watching the tele. I've talked with Liberals who never voted Republican, who testified that they would if Barock gets on the ticket.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

Watching the tele. I've talked with Liberals who never voted Republican, who testified that they would if Barock gets on the ticket.

I don't doubt you, but I do genuinely wonder where this is that people are testifying that they'll vote Republican if a black man runs for president (and use that as their reasoning. Around here, it's only the Republicans doing that. And even then, only the backwards ones.

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

I don't doubt you, but I do genuinely wonder where this is that people are testifying that they'll vote Republican if a black man runs for president (and use that as their reasoning. Around here, it's only the Republicans doing that. And even then, only the backwards ones.

I haven't met a racist republican yet. I'd gladly vote for a black man, even a woman, if they're head is screwed on right, which Obama's and Hillary's are not.

 

[Roses Ablaze]

Maybe they object to Obama's lack of experience instead of his race. Did that ever occur to you?

 

[TTEchidna]

I haven't met a racist republican yet. I'd gladly vote for a black man, even a woman, if they're head is screwed on right, which Obama's and Hillary's are not.

How often do you meet politicians, anyway?

 

[Argy]

I think he meant Republicans in general, not politicians.

 

[Fig]

*Sighs* Apocalypse, here we come...

...I have to take Sawyer's side on the specific issue of the "White Men". Making a girl looks like an idiot is sexism ; making a jew looks like an idiot is anti-semitism, making an african look like an idiot is racism.

Making a white man looks like an idiot is comedy.

There IS a problem there, and keeping the situation as-is will NOT help tolerance, equality of the genders, or anything - if anything, it will set up the stage for backlash.

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

Maybe they object to Obama's lack of experience instead of his race. Did that ever occur to you?

No, they specifically said that they don't want to vote for him because he is a black man. I never said that, I won't vote for him cause I think liberals aren't fit to run a play group, let alone the country.

 

[ImJessieTR]

My entire maternal family is made up of bigoted republicans. Maybe you don't live in the bible belt. Liberals are racist when it comes to assuming minorities need to be spoon-fed, while conservatives are racist because God/GOP said so.

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

My entire maternal family is made up of bigoted republicans. Maybe you don't live in the bible belt. Liberals are racist when it comes to assuming minorities need to be spoon-fed, while conservatives are racist because God/GOP said so.

Conservatives are not in any way racist, some Republicans may be, but the party is not the party it used to be. Conservatives aren't racist like they are pictured to be, they just don't want minorities being catered to like the libs want to. We try to see actual equality, and that means that you don't get special treatment because you are black, or white.

 

[ImJessieTR]

Conservatives are not in any way racist, some Republicans may be, but the party is not the party it used to be. Conservatives aren't racist like they are pictured to be, they just don't want minorities being catered to like the libs want to. We try to see actual equality, and that means that you don't get special treatment because you are black, or white.

Well, like I said, we must know different people. Personally, I agree with you (and no, that wasn't hard to spit out) that people shouldn't get special treatment. That's why I'm a moderate -- I see BS from both sides equally.

 

[The_Real_Mr_Sawyer]

Well, like I said, we must know different people. Personally, I agree with you (and no, that wasn't hard to spit out) that people shouldn't get special treatment. That's why I'm a moderate -- I see BS from both sides equally.

I see BS out of both parties, but I am not affiliated with the Republicans. Can't stand some of em actually. I'm a conservative, with Christian values. Its the losing of those values that destroyed this country. I can garuntee that if everyone was a strong praying, moral, Christian, who actually followed the laws of the church, we wouldn't be in half the messes we are in now.

 

[Juputoru]

Its the losing of those values that destroyed this country. I can garuntee that if everyone was a strong praying, moral, Christian, who actually followed the laws of the church, we wouldn't be in half the messes we are in now.

Then would you care to explain why America, which holds religion in much more importance than other first world countries, has a higher crime rate than the first world countries that aren't devout Christians(or any other religion for that matter)?


And I too see BS out of both parties. Neither one seems to have much common sense. To put it very generally...
Republicans are idiots who care more about letting big business do whatever the hell they want(at the expense of the environment, consumers, and workers) and protecting their precious Christianity than they do about keeping up with the advances of the rest of the world.
Democrats are too PC, overcompensate for whatever social disadvantages non-whites have, and treat minimum wage as a magic cure to wage issues.
Both are too chicken to do anything about the pyramid scheme most commonly known as Social Security. Because increasing the age at which you recieve benefits, lowering benefits, privatizing it, or doing almost ANYTHING to make it more reasonable will instantly draw allegations that they don't care about the elderly. Actually, there are a few other things that neither party dares to touch, but I'm trying to keep this short.


And yes, I know not all Republicans/Democrats are like that. As I said, it's very general(read:stereotypical, but I've seen enough members of both parties in action to know that those stereotypes are coming from SOME grain of truth). Of course, people from those parties who go to internet debate forums are my biggest source of "so, they DO act like that" moments. Debate forums are funny like that.

And for the record, I too think that white men being the only group that's socially acceptable to hate is stupid. Okay guys, most people aren't calling blacks the n-word anymore(and those who do generally aren't viewed favorably) and nobody will refuse you employment for being female. Can we back off a bit now?

 

[Kjølen]

I would hardly consider the United States to be full of devout Christians. Going to church once a week and dropping money in the collection plate is not an example of a devout Christian. That's just a person following a habit, not living a Christian lifestyle.

 

[The Dude]

"Christian" is a much more fluid term than we are led to believe. My father considers himself a Christian, yet only goes to church on Christmas Eve, and doesn't own his own bible. There are a lot of people like that, which is why the term "Christian nation" isn't really accurate. I would estimate that only bout 50% of American Christians actually meet the commonly accepted definition of "Christian".

Its the losing of those values that destroyed this country. I can garuntee that if everyone was a strong praying, moral, Christian, who actually followed the laws of the church, we wouldn't be in half the messes we are in now.

Iraq was invaded because of George W. Bush, a highly religious man, who professes to be a moral Christian who prays often.
Care to explain that?

 

[Argy]

On top of that, Bush said God told him to attack Iraq.

 

[ImJessieTR]

Both are too chicken to do anything about the pyramid scheme most commonly known as Social Security. Because increasing the age at which you recieve benefits, lowering benefits, privatizing it, or doing almost ANYTHING to make it more reasonable will instantly draw allegations that they don't care about the elderly.

I just thought of a more manageable cure for social security: offer to pay up to 20 years and you can start at whatever point and if you do start and then you're able to work again later you can postpone the rest of the payments until later. Not everyone lives to a grand old age, so ratcheting up the age doesn't help people who die at 60. And if you know you're family usually lives up to 100, there's no reason short of extreme disability that you can't work until, say 70 or 80. The 20 year cutoff would keep people from retiring at what is now relatively young if possible. It's not like people I know who get social security is rich -- at most I've only seen a couple thousand a month or so -- but by making the concept more flexible it lets people take responsibility for their own finances.