Damion/Barry/Pearl/Jun/Nameless rival

[Porygon]

This may be a bulbapedia issue, but I figure it's probably not an error so I'm just going to ask here.

At what point did these become the "official" names? What really makes me wonder is how the Lukas turned into Lucas reccently. How did anybody come to these conclusions? It's not cited at all, and I haven't seen any real evidence of it. Just curious, thanks.

edit: I'm an idiot, sorry. Lucas and Dawn are pre-named, aren't they? My question still stands for Damion though, especially since he's named after the alternate Pokemon version if you were to just leave his name blank in-game.

 

[paperfairy]

Nobody knows his offical name. People are still debating over it. I've simply named him Damion on Diamond, and Barry on Pearl.

 

[Porygon]

Nobody knows his offical name. People are still debating over it. I've simply named him Damion on Diamond, and Barry on Pearl.

What I'm wondering is where Damion came from in the first place, and where Lukas first came from also.

 

[paperfairy]

Damion is one of the options for the rival in the "choose a name!" list. If I recall correctly, playing as Dawn names the male protagonist automatically, who is named Lukas/Lucas.

 

[Porygon]

Damion is one of the options for the rival in the "choose a name!" list.

Alright, but I still don't know why Bulbapedia, etc has refered to him as this - especially much before we had the actual English releases. I assume there is a source of some sort, but I'm wondering what that is exactly.

If I recall correctly, playing as Dawn names the male protagonist automatically, who is named Lukas/Lucas.

Yeah, I did realise that eventually in an edit on the first post.

 

[Zhen Lin]

Hmm. That's odd. I was under the impression that the default name for him in both version in Japanese was Jun?

 

[Luna Tiger]

Hmm. That's odd. I was under the impression that the default name for him in both version in Japanese was Jun?

Nuh, one of my friends said Jun doesn't appear at all in the Japanese Pearl lists, so Jun is a Diamond name. But if Jun's name is the first of four on the default list names, his English default name overall should be Barry and not Damion.

 

[Zhen Lin]

Hmm, examining the text files, the lists are:
ジュン、シゲル、コウジ、トシノブ、ヒサシ、ソウスケ、アキト、ノゾム
Barry, Damion, Tyson, Markus, Clint, Ralph, Lewis, Tommy

Interesting on the last one in Japanese, Nozomu would be the male equivalent of Nozomi.

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

Hmm. That's odd. I was under the impression that the default name for him in both version in Japanese was Jun?

No, Jun was only in Diamond. In Pearl the default name was Hisashi.
But fans call him Jun, for some reason.

And I have no idea about the Damion thing. Damion is not even on top. I don't know why do we still refer to him as Damion in pedia. Barry has a higher value.

 

[taitofan]

Whoever edited it probably did because they use Damion in the official Nintendo DP guide.

Has anyone actually tried seeing if we get the same name each time someone goes to choose your own and presses start? If it's the same name on Diamond each time, that should be what we use. *has Pearl, sorry* I went straight to naming him Jun, so I dunno if that would work, but in theory I don't see why it wouldn't.

 

[Zeta]

Pressing start when naming your rival always names him after the title of the game you don't have.

They use Damion in the official Nintendo guide, but they also use "Gary" in the official Generation I, guides, so . . .

 

[Porygon]

Well, looks like I was right in calling suspicion on this.

The NP guide thing is rather interesting. Does the guide literally refer to him as Damion, or can you just tell by the screenshots that is the name for their guide?

I'd ask the same thing about Leaf (FRLG girl) and I did to Meowth346 back in the Pokefor days, he said that the in-game data refered to her as that, and that's where the name came from. Is there not anything like within the data of this game? Or is Leaf just first in the long list of possible names for her? (Her name is semi-random by default.)

 

[Zeta]

As for Leaf - there's dummy data of the trainers in the game. The boy is Red and the girl is Leaf. I'm not sure about this kid, though, since he's not playable. Most dummy data in DP refers to male characters as "Satoshi" (Ash) and girl characters as "Haruka" (May), so . . .

 

[Porygon]

If you were playing Blue/Silver version what would the rival names be by default? Would they be consistant with Red and Gold or would they just be the opposite of the version you have?

Because if the new rival is just mimicking what we've had in the past, I'm going to have to say his name is in fact Pearl unless we can get some better evidence against that. I don't think we've ever gone by a 'its the first name in the list' before, and - afterall, the game DOES stick with a name by default rather than randomizing it.

 

[Zeta]

If you were playing Blue/Silver version what would the rival names be by default? Would they be consistant with Red and Gold or would they just be the opposite of the version you have?

The rival and GSC doesn't have a default name.

As for Red/Blue - the default names for the rival in one are for the player character in the other and vice versa. The main character for Red is the same for the rival in Blue.

 

[Porygon]

As for Red/Blue - the default names for the rival in one are for the player character in the other and vice versa. The main character for Red is the same for the rival in Blue.

So essentially, following the logic used in RB, this guy's name should be Pearl - should it not? (Albeit the main character dosen't get the color name, but the pattern is half there.) Like I said earlier, we never (as far as I know) got a character's name simply because it was the first on that list of names. While I understand using it if there's NO other data to correspond to the character, we do have something much like situation as we did in RB. We use Blue's name because of this, and I don't see why Pearl should be an exception. (actually I do, a color name alongside real names is unnatural, but no need to go all fanon because of it.)
Again, I'm still open to being disproven here. :mallet:


...And uh, the GSC rival dosen't get a name? Does he stay ????? or something?

 

[BrainJames]

So essentially, following the logic used in RB, this guy's name should be Pearl - should it not? (Albeit the main character dosen't get the color name, but the pattern is half there.) Like I said earlier, we never (as far as I know) got a character's name simply because it was the first on that list of names. While I understand using it if there's NO other data to correspond to the character, we do have something much like situation as we did in RB. We use Blue's name because of this, and I don't see why Pearl should be an exception. (actually I do, a color name alongside real names is unnatural, but no need to go all fanon because of it.)
Again, I'm still open to being disproven here. :mallet:


...And uh, the GSC rival dosen't get a name? Does he stay ????? or something?

After you battle him first and do the police report you get to give him a name. I always kept him ????.

 

[Porygon]

So, erm, what do you guys think of my proposition? Calling him Pearl would be consistant with how we got Blue's name - and I really have yet to see how exactly Nintendo made use of Damion's name. So far it dosen't sound like anything in-game really refers to him as Damion...

I guess at this point it's a Bulbapedia issue mostly. If a mod wants to move it that's fine by me.

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

As for Leaf - there's dummy data of the trainers in the game. The boy is Red and the girl is Leaf. I'm not sure about this kid, though, since he's not playable. Most dummy data in DP refers to male characters as "Satoshi" (Ash) and girl characters as "Haruka" (May), so . . .

In Generation III the dummy data was referred as "Terry" (the Rival who was named mitei [unspecified] in Japanaese FR/LG and Psychic nanashi-2 [unnamed2], from Emeald).

Interesting thing: In the Japanese version data, rival is named PEARL.

 

[Porygon]

In Generation III the dummy data was referred as "Terry" (the Rival who was named mitei [unspecified] in Japanaese FR/LG and Psychic nanashi-2 [unnamed2], from Emeald).

Interesting thing: In the Japanese version data, rival is named PEARL.

I don't really get what you mean with mitei and nanashi, but it is interesting how you say the data refers to the rival as Pearl. Especially considering that's the name you'd get in the japanese version if you go default on Diamond. I'm guessing Jun was picked because it was at the top of the list and sounded nice.

I'm fairly convinced by now. I might start a new thread in the Bulbapedia forum because this isn't getting attention. Don't you guys think I won't edit the Bulbapedia, because I will.