Dammit, I lost. Now you have to RMT.

[Dawn~]

'Kay. Been working on this for a while and the amount of times I've lost with this team I can count on my left hand. But I've lost with it. Don't give a damn if it's because of hax, a loss is a loss. And when you lose, that means there's something to fix. Gonna be rather short on the descriptions also, btw. Basically, it relies on paralysis and confusion from Machamp. So here's my team.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/8 Atk/216 Def/32 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Body Slam
- Wish

Pretty straightforward. Body Slam to get a paralysis in. Iron Head to flinch once Paralysis is in. Stealth Rock is pretty obvious too.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/32 Spd/6 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Recover
- Thunder Wave

Again, just as obvious as Jirachi. Grass Knot and HP Ice to kill stuff and Breloom. Recover to heal and Thunder Wave to get some more paralysis going.

Big Momma (Tyranitar) (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Standard CBTar. Nothing really to say here except that it helps with some weakness/kills stuff. Also, I do quite love Sandstorm. :3

Banana (Gyarados) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/176 Atk/60 Def/22 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall

Love. This. Gyara. Pretty bulky and powerful. RestTalking for obvious survivability and DD for added power. Waterfall for my stab move.

Dat Ass (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/82 SAtk/176 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave
- Grass Knot

Calm nature and all the SpD EVs to act as a sponge, and Softboiled to ring her out. Flamethrower to kill Scizor (after paralysis) and Forretress and other steel/grass types, Grass Knot for bulky waters who expect to set up/whatever against me, Thunder Wave to paralyze.

Greg (Machamp) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/220 Atk/36 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dynamicpunch
- Ice Punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Hah. This guy kill stuff. KILLS. STUFF. BIG. TIME. DynamicPunch for Confusion and ending teams, pretty much. Ice Punch for Flygon, Salamence, and Celebi.



Anyway... there's my team. Rate however you like it. Chances are I probably won't change much unless it's something HUGE that needs to change... I'm probably just going to be making a new team.

 

[giratinaoriginforme]

Dat Ass (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/82 SAtk/176 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave
- Grass Knot

Calm nature and all the SpD EVs to act as a sponge, and Softboiled to ring her out. Flamethrower to kill Scizor (after paralysis) and Forretress and other steel/grass types, Grass Knot for bulky waters who expect to set up/whatever against me, Thunder Wave to paralyze.

The only real problem I see is the 252 defense IVs on blissey, If that isn't a typo I would suggest changing that to 252 Hp. Otherwise the team looks very good.

 

[RavenKingSage]

A common problem with most teams using Tyranitar is the damage from the sandstorm it summons. I'd use Tyranitar late in the game for that reason, as the only other Pokemon do benefit from the sandstorm is Jirachi.

Speaking of Jirachi, I wouldn't put Wish on a lead if I were you, because it's the lead, and no other Pokemon have taken damage yet. If you want something for immediate recovery, use a different recovery move. Just make sure it's not Rest.

Machamp has a lot going for it: putting an inaccurate move like DynamicPunch on a No Guard Machamp is good, but because the foe's attacks always land as well, Rest + Sleep Talk may not be the best thing to go for.

Speaking of Rest + Sleep Talk, that combo is not the best one. There's a chance that you'll just end up using Rest again because Sleep Talk decides randomly what move you'll use, and that can be a huge, huge disadvantage on your part.

As for Celebi, Grass Knot and HP Ice simply aren't enough to create good damage, especially considering you have no Special Attack EV investment on it.

Blissey's only serious flaw is it's EV investment. 252 Def on a Pokemon that can easily be murdered by any physical attack doesn't make sense. Invest where strongest, which would be HP or SpD.

Your type coverage is pretty mediocre. I see a pretty wide Electric weakness, as well as a fairly big Fire weakness. And you're going to have a lot of trouble against Special walls, considering that Celebi is your only SpA attacking Pokemon, and it has no SpA EV investment.

EDIT: OK, never mind. Blissey is an SpA attacker, though I'd balance out the physical and special attackers a little more.

A big, big problem with your team is the EVs. You're attempting to invest in some offensive and some defensive on Pokemon that are completely offense-oriented (such as Machamp and Gyarados), which is NEVER a good idea. Invest solely on offense for Pokemon like these.

 

[Dawn~]

The only real problem I see is the 252 defense IVs on blissey, If that isn't a typo I would suggest changing that to 252 Hp. Otherwise the team looks very good.

No, it's not a typo. I had that on purpose. But, maybe you're right. I'll test 252 HP.

A common problem with most teams using Tyranitar is the damage from the sandstorm it summons. I'd use Tyranitar late in the game for that reason, as the only other Pokemon do benefit from the sandstorm is Jirachi.

Speaking of Jirachi, I wouldn't put Wish on a lead if I were you, because it's the lead, and no other Pokemon have taken damage yet. If you want something for immediate recovery, use a different recovery move. Just make sure it's not Rest.

Machamp has a lot going for it: putting an inaccurate move like DynamicPunch on a No Guard Machamp is good, but because the foe's attacks always land as well, Rest + Sleep Talk may not be the best thing to go for.

Speaking of Rest + Sleep Talk, that combo is not the best one. There's a chance that you'll just end up using Rest again because Sleep Talk decides randomly what move you'll use, and that can be a huge, huge disadvantage on your part.

As for Celebi, Grass Knot and HP Ice simply aren't enough to create good damage, especially considering you have no Special Attack EV investment on it.

Blissey's only serious flaw is it's EV investment. 252 Def on a Pokemon that can easily be murdered by any physical attack doesn't make sense. Invest where strongest, which would be HP or SpD.

Your type coverage is pretty mediocre. I see a pretty wide Electric weakness, as well as a fairly big Fire weakness. And you're going to have a lot of trouble against Special walls, considering that Celebi is your only SpA attacking Pokemon, and it has no SpA EV investment.

A big, big problem with your team is the EVs. You're attempting to invest in some offensive and some defensive on Pokemon that are completely offense-oriented (such as Machamp and Gyarados), which is NEVER a good idea. Invest solely on offense for Pokemon like these.

The sad thing about RMTs is the fact that it's all theorymoning. You can't tell anything about a team for SURE unless you test it. Basically, everything you're saying, is stuff that was brought up MONTHS ago, but has since been shot down because of testing. Celebi's purpose isn't attacking. It's to destroy Breloom and paralyze people.

Blissey's EV investment is the only valid point I see that you have, in all honesty. I've been debating on switching it to HP, but I haven't decided yet. Now, let's starting my replies from the beginning:

A common problem with most teams using Tyranitar is the damage from the sandstorm it summons. I'd use Tyranitar late in the game for that reason, as the only other Pokemon do benefit from the sandstorm is Jirachi.

I use Tyranitar late game, mostly, unless I need him in early. And even then, you have to remember that Sandstorm hurts them too. Plus I have leftovers on 5 of my Pokemon. It's doesn't do that much to me at all. I like Sandstorm.

Speaking of Jirachi, I wouldn't put Wish on a lead if I were you, because it's the lead, and no other Pokemon have taken damage yet. If you want something for immediate recovery, use a different recovery move. Just make sure it's not Rest.

What would you recommend in place of Wish? Nothing. That's because Wish is good. You don't need to use wish right off the bat. It's good for when I come in later in the game. Wish helps and that's something I WON'T get rid of; there's no other better move to put in its place. Jirachi would be fine with 3 moves in this purpose. Therefore Wish is the best.

Machamp has a lot going for it: putting an inaccurate move like DynamicPunch on a No Guard Machamp is good, but because the foe's attacks always land as well, Rest + Sleep Talk may not be the best thing to go for.

By the time Machamp is sent out, mostly everything is paralyzed from Jirachi, Blissey, and Celebi. That's when I proceed to sweep with Dynamicpunch and Ice Punch, Resting to recover any damage/burns/paralysis I may receive, and using Sleep Talk for more possible damage for those two turns. 33.3% chance for Rest? I couldn't ask for better odds. I'm fine with it. Sure, Rest happens from time to time, but if it attacked every time that would be broken. I'm not complaining.

Speaking of Rest + Sleep Talk, that combo is not the best one. There's a chance that you'll just end up using Rest again because Sleep Talk decides randomly what move you'll use, and that can be a huge, huge disadvantage on your part.

It's a good combo on Gyarados and Machamp. That also makes them status absorbers. Yay!

As for Celebi, Grass Knot and HP Ice simply aren't enough to create good damage, especially considering you have no Special Attack EV investment on it.

Celebi isn't an attacker. o.o No idea where you saw that. It's main purpose is to paralyze and kill Breloom, which is a pain in the effing ass, and it does that job very nicely.

Blissey's only serious flaw is it's EV investment. 252 Def on a Pokemon that can easily be murdered by any physical attack doesn't make sense. Invest where strongest, which would be HP or SpD.

Can't decide if I want the def or not. If it takes a hit, from say, Bullet Punch. At least it has a better chance for survival if it's a full HP. I dunno. Maybe I'll take it out and put it in HP. We'll see.

Your type coverage is pretty mediocre. I see a pretty wide Electric weakness, as well as a fairly big Fire weakness. And you're going to have a lot of trouble against Special walls, considering that Celebi is your only SpA attacking Pokemon, and it has no SpA EV investment.

Type coverage doesn't have to be top of the line, that's the point of the team. The synergy between the Pokemon is phenomenal. Add in the mass paralysis and then Machamp hitting everything for a LOT and confusing most everything... I have almost nothing to worry about.

And I'm not as weak to electric and fire as you think I am.

A big, big problem with your team is the EVs. You're attempting to invest in some offensive and some defensive on Pokemon that are completely offense-oriented (such as Machamp and Gyarados), which is NEVER a good idea. Invest solely on offense for Pokemon like these.

I'm sorry, but this part annoyed me a little bit. x.o;;

Invest solely on offense on "offensively oriented Pokemon?" Gyarados is bulky as hell! Why not take advantage of that and give it DD to give it the extra power boost? It creates survivability and power. That's what you want. The same goes for Machamp. Bulky EVs and moveset make for survivability which means he can rip apart teams for a lot longer... that's the whole point.

This team is NOT all out attack. This team is NOT stall. This team is paralyzing people and then proceeding to rip their apart with Gyarados and Machamp. Jirachi can do a nice job with Iron Head as well.

 

[RavenKingSage]

OK then.

What exactly do you keep losing to? What presents the biggest problems for your team?

 

[Megaman]

well, since your type coverage sucks (Im not going to even try to be nice about this) I geuss a how you fight would matter a lot. A hitmonchan with an expert belt and a good speed would totally destroy you. also, I have to agree with whoever said that you should focus on ofense with your pokemon. the only other thing i would think of adding to that is that some speed can never hurt. you also dont have anything that can steal health. as far as I can see, if you are a good trainer and are smart in battle, you could win, but anyone with a well balanced team would uterly destroy you.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Blissey's only serious flaw is it's EV investment. 252 Def on a Pokemon that can easily be murdered by any physical attack doesn't make sense. Invest where strongest, which would be HP or SpD.

IMO, Blissey investing in Defense actually helps a bit (it softens the blow of weaker physical attacks more easily than if it invested in HP). Its Special Defense is already huge, so it doesn't need much investment there.

 

[Ino-Chan]

well, since your type coverage sucks (Im not going to even try to be nice about this) I geuss a how you fight would matter a lot. A hitmonchan with an expert belt and a good speed would totally destroy you. also, I have to agree with whoever said that you should focus on ofense with your pokemon. the only other thing i would think of adding to that is that some speed can never hurt. you also dont have anything that can steal health. as far as I can see, if you are a good trainer and are smart in battle, you could win, but anyone with a well balanced team would uterly destroy you.

Hitmonchan? In an OU battle? That I would love to see.

Imo, it seems pretty good. Except for Blissey, which I would add some HP EV's from Def and SpDef.

 

[Dawn~]

well, since your type coverage sucks (Im not going to even try to be nice about this) I geuss a how you fight would matter a lot. A hitmonchan with an expert belt and a good speed would totally destroy you. also, I have to agree with whoever said that you should focus on ofense with your pokemon. the only other thing i would think of adding to that is that some speed can never hurt. you also dont have anything that can steal health. as far as I can see, if you are a good trainer and are smart in battle, you could win, but anyone with a well balanced team would uterly destroy you.

You seem to forget the point of my team is to take speed away from THEM. If I can get a paralysis in, even at the cost of my Jirachi AND Celebi, I will win.

What I lost to was a scarfchamp. I lost because I didn't play correctly/underestimated. I don't lose to "anything" on average. Heatran can be annoying, which is why I was debating on removing Grass Knot on Blissey and putting on HP Ground. But other than that, no problems.

I will test the HP on Blissey (I REUFSE to take anything out of SpD, if anything I'll put MORE in!), since I can't really remember how often I take physical attacks.

Btw @ Hitmonchan. It would get destroyed by both Jirachi AND Celebi. Paralysis, so then it's slow and the Spe investment won't even matter, and then everything on my team will take it out, or just go for the flinchax with Jirachi...

That's the point of the team.

You guys see that, right? o_o; I don't need speed or power when I can do that.

Guys, you need to battle me. lol. Get PM me and let's get on Shoddy.

 

[Megaman]

You seem to forget the point of my team is to take speed away from THEM. If I can get a paralysis in, even at the cost of my Jirachi AND Celebi, I will win.

What I lost to was a scarfchamp. I lost because I didn't play correctly/underestimated. I don't lose to "anything" on average. Heatran can be annoying, which is why I was debating on removing Grass Knot on Blissey and putting on HP Ground. But other than that, no problems.

I will test the HP on Blissey (I REUFSE to take anything out of SpD, if anything I'll put MORE in!), since I can't really remember how often I take physical attacks.

Btw @ Hitmonchan. It would get destroyed by both Jirachi AND Celebi. Paralysis, so then it's slow and the Spe investment won't even matter, and then everything on my team will take it out, or just go for the flinchax with Jirachi...

That's the point of the team.

You guys see that, right? o_o; I don't need speed or power when I can do that.

Guys, you need to battle me. lol. Get PM me and let's get on Shoddy.

Paralysys is why i am training up an ursaring. You also forget that if the hitmonchan can take care of everything else on your team, the other five pokemon can demolish the two remaining pokes. plus, safegaurd totals your stategy.

 

[Troggy]

No, it's not a typo. I had that on purpose. But, maybe you're right. I'll test 252 HP.

No, you're right. You get WAY more benefit percentage wise out of investing in Def than HP. You can move some EVs from those other stats into HP if you want to hit a leftovers number or increase the physical def a bit more, but I wouldn't get carried away.

Just to illustrate briefly. With no investment, Calm Blissey has 56 Def, with 252 EVs you get 119. That is a 113% increase in your Def stat. With no investment Blissey has 651 HP, and with 252 EVs you get 714. That is only about a 10% increase.

As a general comment, dismantling a team because you lost one match is pretty stupid. No matter what team you use, there will always be potential bad matchups. If you think that your one team can defeat ANY other team out there, you aren't playing the same game the rest of us are playing. The goal is just to minimize the amount of Pokemon that give your team trouble and have a plan for most combinations.

 

[Dawn~]

Paralysys is why i am training up an ursaring. You also forget that if the hitmonchan can take care of everything else on your team, the other five pokemon can demolish the two remaining pokes. plus, safegaurd totals your stategy.

Safeguard doesn't last forever.

Who the heck is gonna use Hitmonchan in OU anyway? That doesn't matter though. Hitmonchan won't do anything to my team and you know it.





Enough theorymoning pleaseeee. I've tested this team for MONTHS. I know it works. If you have an ACTUAL suggestion for something that you can ACTUALLLLLLLY imagine that isn't something that I MYSELF haven't come up with already (which, after MONTHS of testing, you'd think I'd have come up with a lot!) then please share.

Otherwise... you're wrong.

No, you're right. You get WAY more benefit percentage wise out of investing in Def than HP. You can move some EVs from those other stats into HP if you want to hit a leftovers number or increase the physical def a bit more, but I wouldn't get carried away.

Just to illustrate briefly. With no investment, Calm Blissey has 56 Def, with 252 EVs you get 119. That is a 113% increase in your Def stat. With no investment Blissey has 651 HP, and with 252 EVs you get 714. That is only about a 10% increase.

As a general comment, dismantling a team because you lost one match is pretty stupid. No matter what team you use, there will always be potential bad matchups. If you think that your one team can defeat ANY other team out there, you aren't playing the same game the rest of us are playing. The goal is just to minimize the amount of Pokemon that give your team trouble and have a plan for most combinations.

Mhm, I know I'm right with the defense. But that's not my Blissey's purpose, which is why I'm debating on testing it to take SPECIAL hits even better. I can't remember the last time Blissey took a physical hit... *Thinks*

Anyway, I do believe there's a team out there SOMEWHERE that will win 99.9999999% of the time, and only lose to PURE HAX. It's just yet to have been found. Kinda like the divine move in Go lol.

Anyway, when I lose a battle like this, I post a RMT and get advice with fixing it. I don't like to lose. Granted, it doesn't bother me when I do. :3 I just want a perfect team.

 

[Troggy]

How high have you gotten this team on the Smogon Shoddy ladder?

 

[Dawn~]

How high have you gotten this team on the Smogon Shoddy ladder?

That's the problem. )= I don't battle ladder as much. I've been using it on and off for a year, and out of maybe 300 matches I've lost 4.

I do NOT lose often. I lose when I get unlucky or just play stupidly. I don't usually have time to play hours and hours a day on Shoddy. =s

I will say one thing: It's getting harder to use this team effectively today. It was a lot better maybe 3 months ago? Which is another reason I'm debating on fixing it up/switching crap out/making an entirely new team.

 

[Troggy]

There is no perfect team, the metagame is too fluid. I fail to see the point of a RMT thread for something with that kind of record, though.

If you really think it is getting out of date please provide what kinds of teams / threats that have come about lately are troubling you.

And the Def explanation was for the edification of the other people who are suggesting to add lots of HP EVs to your Blissey, not so much for you.

 

[Dawn~]

There is no perfect team, the metagame is too fluid. I fail to see the point of a RMT thread for something with that kind of record, though.

If you really think it is getting out of date please provide what kinds of teams / threats that have come about lately are troubling you.

And the Def explanation was for the edification of the other people who are suggesting to add lots of HP EVs to your Blissey, not so much for you.

That's just the problem--I'm not sure. I would be able to come up with something myself otherwise. Heh. I just wanted another set of eyes to look at it to see something that was just "WTF IS THAT DOIN' THERE?" or something.

Well. Guess not. Bah. Back to the drawing board.

 

[Megaman]

if your machamp is at level 100, teach it seismic toss. thats all i got that isnt a theory.

 

[Troggy]

Guess we're done here then.

 

[Dawn~]

Guess we're done here then.

Unless someone else sees something... mhm.

 

[RavenKingSage]

Just wait until F-22 comes along. She's better at analyzing teams that the rest of us combined.