Dawn won the Wallace Cup, but did she deserve it?

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My answer NO. Look at the coordiantors who participated there. Zoe, May. May came here as a skillfull coordinator already. And that's why she could manage to the final. We saw a great battle between Zoey and May. And Dawn who is a starting trainer only, who easily lost to Zoey back in the past could win galceon with this annoying brat Piplup. I JUST DON't GET IT. Why authors did that.

And that was also the same when Pachirisu (the weakest Dawn's pokemon) could beat Gabite. It is impossible guys. It's just impossible.

I don't understand.. What authors want to do.. Do they want make Dawn the winner of Grand Festival? It will be unfair.
 
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Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

1. Hikari won by just a fraction of a point against one of Haruka's weakest pokemon.

2. In regards to Pachirisu, Contest battles are about making the pokemon look good, not outright beating it. Obviously in a regular battle Pachirisu wouldn't win.

To answer the topic, I didn't have a problem with Hikari winning because she desperately needed a win at that point. I don't think any of her wins have been completely unrealistic, and she obviously isn't going to win the Grand Festival.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

First off, NO, Nando did not participate in the Wallace Cup period.

Secondly- You're being unfair to Dawn, Dawn may suck at appeals but she's a more competent contest battler than May who's forte was Pokemon Appeals (since she never lost one) and only lost in the Pokemon battles.

You're also denying Piplup's power. Piplup has basically beaten (contest battle wise) whenever it was there.

Remember who battled Zoey, it wasn't Piplup but who? Buneary. Buneary lost to Zoey's Glameow, not Piplup. Piplup beat Kenny's Prinplup, so the point? You're saying Dawn's strongest Pokemon (at that point, aside from possibly Ambipom) could not have beaten May's Glaceon.

May I remind you most of Glaceon's attacks can only be learned by Glaceon. So in other words, it's experience with its new moves, is less than Piplup in it's moves.

Besides that Dawn BARELY, not easily, BARELY, again not EASILY, BARELY beat May's Glaceon for the win when time ended. So it was not some horrible OMG moment. People need to realize that. Let's not forget Piplup is resistant to ice attacks, but Glaceon is not resistant to water moves.

As for Pachirisu and Gabite. Gabite did everything right until Dawn started to fight back. Basically Gabite's trainer just kept attacking without really defending itself with the attacks.

And like Rocket Girl said, Contests battles are not the same as regular battles. Pachirisu won the only way it could against Gabite. If this was a normal knock out battle, Dawn would not have won.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

OK, first, Dawn did deserve that win. She lost 2 whole times before this one. Remember, Contest Battles are different than regular battles. You dont have to knock out the opponent to win, just have more points. If you think that Dawn didn't deserve it, your just sad. Also, Pachirisu didn't knock out Gabite, it just showed more appeal to the judges. The same thing with the Wallace Cup. She didn't knock out Glaceon either, just appealed better.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

I think she deserved to win it, what if you were a noob at something but still won? How would that feel?
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

She deserved it.

Piplup Vs. Glaceon was one of the best DP contest battles, I have no idea why people complain about it. Everything from the action to the music, it was entirely well done.

Dawn only won by 1 point anyway, so its not a big deal.

Just be glad we didn't get something like Piplup beating Blaziken, the writers played it smart and had her use Glaceon.

It was a great battle.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

I thought this whole Dawn/Wallace Cup argument was resolved a long time ago. Seems that I was wrong.

First off, this is Generation IV. Dawn is the Generation IV girl, and May is Generation III. Ergo, Dawn will be the one who will be shown to be the better one in the contest.

Yes, she did deserve that win, especially to close that little plot concerning her self-esteem that was going on for two contests. If she had lost the Wallace Cup, that would have THREE contests in a row that she lost in. I don't think anyone would want to see that happen.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

dman_dustin said:
Secondly- You're being unfair to Dawn, Dawn may suck at appeals but she's a more competent contest battler than May who's forte was Pokemon Appeals (since she never lost one) and only lost in the Pokemon battles.
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More competent than May. No way. She didn't reach her level for now. And it is wrong to show that starting cootrdinator beats in the final May.

Remember Stand-up sit down series. After that it past just a little while. Remember what problems Dawn had. Of course you can say that it was aproblems with appeal and that's just it. But it's no true.

I'm not unfair to Dawn. Bu it is wrong to show that a starting trainer could win over skilful trainer just yet
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

This thread (and this guy/gal) should be controversial.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

I know that Dawn needed to win at that point, otherwise her character would have lost all motivation. Plot aside, though, I was shocked when I saw this arc. Dawn gets mad contest skills out of nowhere. She is doing things that I would expect more experienced coordinators like Zoey and May to do. I mean I know she practices her contest routines and she has good ideas, but here, it all just came together. I guess the shock is that she has never shown this much skill before. Only by the furthest stretch of my imagination can I justify that she had been working hard to find the right methods to raise Contest pokemon. This is just the first time we saw all that work put into practice. I still can't help but feel that this was Deus ex'd. So did she deserve to win? I have no idea, I'm so torn.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

swampertuska said:
I'm not unfair to Dawn. Bu it is wrong to show that a starting trainer could win over skilful trainer just yet
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Ash beats Gym leaders who are 20 years older than him. By that logic Ash shouldn't be able to beat trainers who are skilled and experienced.

We see beginning trainers beat skilled opponents all the time. This is nothing new. If not, then Ash wouldn't be able to beat a single Gym leader that's older than him.
 
Based on the events that occurred, she deserved it. However, the odds of them happening were pretty slim.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

Scott85 said:
Ash beats Gym leaders who are 20 years older than him. By that logic Ash shouldn't be able to beat trainers who are skilled and experienced.

We see beginning trainers beat skilled opponents all the time. This is nothing new. If not, then Ash wouldn't be able to beat a single Gym leader that's older than him.
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Well, it's not necessarily just being beaten by someone who's inexperienced that would be the problem, it's being beaten EASILY by someone who's inexperienced.

I mean, think of it this way. If Ash's rookie pokemon were battling a Gym Leader, if they were to win, it would be just barely. However, Ash's wins against most of the Hoenn Gym Leaders were disappointing, as the Rookie Pokemon were beating the Gym Leaders pokemon in such an easy and cheap way, in fact, in such a way that 3/4ths of the GL battles of that region seemed no different than how a Team Rocket Battle would conclude (like that Caterpie battle for instance. I mean, since they are supposed to be the comic relief, they at least have an excuse to be considered comically weak. But Ash's wins against Roxanne, Brawly, Wattson, Winona, Tate/Lisa, and even Norman was just cheap and unforgivable.).

Admittedly, Dawn's win against May wasn't easy (and from what I read in regards to review threads, her latest win against Gabite wasn't easy either. Plus, unlike Trainer Battles/Gym Battles, beating the pokemon in battle isn't even a requirement or a recommendation, it's brownie points. The only real way to win is to get your appeal bar higher than the others.). Now, if Dawn had beaten one of her more experienced pokemon (like Blaziken, Skitty, Beautifly, or even Wartortle or Venustoise) in that same match in such a easy and pathetic way, then, May hater or not, I would also call "foul" on that for the same reasons why I hated most of Hoenn's gym matches as well as most of May's wins (Especially the one where her Eevee just beat Marshtomp despite being virtually inexperienced, period, much less in comparison to Marshtomp).
 
yoshi12370 said:
Stop being biased. Dawn is a great coordinator.
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Dawn has had Pokémon for probably less than a year, in the anime's "time." You don't win worldwide renowned tournaments with a year of experience. Ever. She's not even a prodigy, which just makes it worse.
 
May I point out her victory was a plot device? To move the story along? Of course she's going to win, she is the current traveling companion.
 
I think the point was whether it was a deserving win or not.

Funny how she got the smarts all of a sudden.
 
Re: Dawn won Wallace Cup. Did she deserve it?

Weedle Mchairybug said:
Admittedly, Dawn's win against May wasn't easy (and from what I read in regards to review threads, her latest win against Gabite wasn't easy either. Plus, unlike Trainer Battles/Gym Battles, beating the pokemon in battle isn't even a requirement or a recommendation, it's brownie points. The only real way to win is to get your appeal bar higher than the others.). Now, if Dawn had beaten one of her more experienced pokemon (like Blaziken, Skitty, Beautifly, or even Wartortle or Venustoise) in that same match in such a easy and pathetic way, then, May hater or not, I would also call "foul" on that for the same reasons why I hated most of Hoenn's gym matches as well as most of May's wins (Especially the one where her Eevee just beat Marshtomp despite being virtually inexperienced, period, much less in comparison to Marshtomp).
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*Warning, I'm going to be mean to Brock but I'm joking and exaggerating.*

Dude all you need to do is use your Pokemon once and you have more experience than Brock's Marshtomp.

Joking aside

I didn't think that any of the wins used strategy out of nowhere. She lost two contests in a row, one would have to do considerable thinking after that. Ash's match near or in Celestic Town was enough for him to start thinking.

And if anyone says that she couldn't have used the strategies because we didn't see them, I think you're underestimating the power of "Off Screen"
 
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