Dawn's role in future movies (or lack thereof)

[monkeyjb1988]

Let me put it this way: Misty appeared in five movies and May appeared in four, the last one in 2006 (using Japan dates). The trend seems to point that the girl after May (Dawn) will appear in only three movies. Well, fast forward to 2009 and Dawn is about to make her third theatrical appearance. My question is: By the time the 2010 movie rolls around, do you think Dawn will be replaced?

I don't think she'll be replaced yet, but I once thought that Ash will always have Charizard, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur with him, so the anime has been know to surprise. What do you guys think?

 

[Scarlet Devil]

I don't think dawn will be replaced so soon..........but I did notice the pattern so far....maybe she'll be in only 3 movies and thats it.

 

[Piplup]

Stupid fan made patters that makes no sense at all
Dawn will stay AT LEAST until we get to the next generation and it's obvious that movie 13 will still be the current generation

 

[Jesse GS the II]

Apologies for screaming (well, Internet screaming, anyway), but PEOPLE NEED TO STOP MAKING UP THESE STUPID PATTERNS.

I mean...seriously, this is easily among the top five dumbest theories I've ever read on a Pokémon forum. Think about this for a second: "Kasumi appeared in five movies, and Haruka appeared in four, so clearly the pattern must be every female companion gets one fewer movie than the previous one! Ergo, Hikari will be gone after the third DP movie, and whoever the fifth generation girl is will only get two movies, and sixth-gen-girl only gets one, and then...wait..."

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Because things don't just happen in the Pokémon universe; there's always some sort of pattern to absolutely everything. Because of course, the entire franchise was planned out right from the beginning. It's not like they were originally going to just do one generation and then move on, oh no, that wouldn't be complicated enough! Somebody surely must have sat down in 1995 when Red and Blue were in development and said "Okay, so these video games will be popular enough to spawn an anime series that lasts twelve years or more, and they'll also produce one movie per year, and the obligatory female character that everyone argues over will have to be cycled out after five years, thus creating a pattern wherein her replacement gets one year fewer than her predecessor, until finally, the fifth girl only gets one year, and that's where we'll end the franchise!"

THINK.

 

[DXFrost]

people thought turtwig wouldn't evolve because bulbasaur didn't evolve at all bayleaf evolved once and sceptile evolved twice so they thought there was a pattern but turtwig evolved

 

[Cybersai]

Considering the 5th gen is still a ways off, Dawn might last longer in the series than May did.

May stayed until the end of her generation, just like Dawn will, but the gap between the 4th and 5th gen looks longer than the 3rd and 4th.

 

[Mitch]

I agree I think Dawn might stick longer than May.

 

[Mooites]

If DP's done by then...

 

[monkeyjb1988]

Stupid fan made patters that makes no sense at all
Dawn will stay AT LEAST until we get to the next generation and it's obvious that movie 13 will still be the current generation

Apologies for screaming (well, Internet screaming, anyway), but PEOPLE NEED TO STOP MAKING UP THESE STUPID PATTERNS.

I mean...seriously, this is easily among the top five dumbest theories I've ever read on a Pokémon forum. Think about this for a second: "Kasumi appeared in five movies, and Haruka appeared in four, so clearly the pattern must be every female companion gets one fewer movie than the previous one! Ergo, Hikari will be gone after the third DP movie, and whoever the fifth generation girl is will only get two movies, and sixth-gen-girl only gets one, and then...wait..."

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Because things don't just happen in the Pokémon universe; there's always some sort of pattern to absolutely everything. Because of course, the entire franchise was planned out right from the beginning. It's not like they were originally going to just do one generation and then move on, oh no, that wouldn't be complicated enough! Somebody surely must have sat down in 1995 when Red and Blue were in development and said "Okay, so these video games will be popular enough to spawn an anime series that lasts twelve years or more, and they'll also produce one movie per year, and the obligatory female character that everyone argues over will have to be cycled out after five years, thus creating a pattern wherein her replacement gets one year fewer than her predecessor, until finally, the fifth girl only gets one year, and that's where we'll end the franchise!"

THINK.

I was just asking. I said myself I didn't think it would hold and that Dawn would be back for 2010. I was just pointing out a pattern and wondering what could happen.

 

[dman_dustin]

The only reason why Misty was in 5 was because she was around that long. If "Kris" or Marina (depending if would play out the same) replaced Misty in the second gen, Misty would have only been in 2 movies, and "Marina" would've only been in three.

Edit: As for that grass pattern, I believed it would go 1 2 3 2, 1 2 3 2, that sort of pattern, as opposed to 1 2 3, 1 2 3, 1 2 3. But now I don't care as I hope Ash doesn't get the 5th gen grass starter.

 

[Cybersai]

The 13th movie will likely still be about the DP cast. Sinnoh will probably end toward the end of 2009 and in 2010 we're probably going to get some sort of Elite 4/Battle Zone/Ribbon Society arc.

Likewise the girls roles in movies doesn't matter much. Misty literally did nothing in Movies 1, 4 and 5.

 

[ShinyFlareon]

I hope for the love of God she's gone by then...but do I honestly think it will happen? Nah.

 

[JB88]

She might be in the 13th movie, if there is one.

Likewise the girls roles in movies doesn't matter much. Misty literally did nothing in Movies 1, 4 and 5.

Did May or Dawn do anything?

 

[peno]

Did May or Dawn do anything?

Not really. Even in Movie 9, which was supposed to be about May, Ash comes out of nowhere and stole her last chance to shine in Pokémon Movie. Unfortunately, something simmilar happend to Dawn in Movie 11. Which is very dissapointing after Movie 10, where her role was as bid as Ash's. But writers obviously consider it as one-time mistake :-(

 

[Mitch]

I think she'll have a movie mostly about her soon. May and Max had one. I don't think she'll be gone.

 

[AtoMan]

people thought turtwig wouldn't evolve because bulbasaur didn't evolve at all bayleaf evolved once and sceptile evolved twice so they thought there was a pattern but turtwig evolved

Who said the pattern should be 1-2-3-1-2-3? Why no 1-2-3-2-1?

But yeah, making patterns of all things is ridiculous. There MAY have been a "pattern" with main cast females starting with M, but noone really cares about such things so it got broken. Why make patterns of certain Pokemon evolving or not? It would limit writers in writing a story.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

The 13th movie will likely still be about the DP cast. Sinnoh will probably end toward the end of 2009 and in 2010 we're probably going to get some sort of Elite 4/Battle Zone/Ribbon Society arc.

Likewise the girls roles in movies doesn't matter much. Misty literally did nothing in Movies 1, 4 and 5.

I know you have bias towards May and Dawn, but at least give Misty some credit. Yes, I'll agree that she didn't do much in Movie 4 (though, to be fair, Ash didn't really do that much in that movie either, and I'm not going to get into Brock.), but even you have to admit, if it wasn't for Misty, I doubt that Ash and Brock would have even gotten to New Island or have met Mewtwo/Mew (since it was because of Misty's Staryu that they even got there, Squirtle as well, but still.). As for Movie 5, she did at least win that race, along with the prize that stated the legend about the Soul Dew and the guardians of Alto Mare (which was a pretty big focus of that movie, you have to admit.).

On topic: it seems a bit too likely that movie 13 will be the last movie for Dawn, as it was kinda confirmed that the DP movies will be a trilogy, thus hinting that the DP saga would last at most 3 years. Unless they decide for some random reason for Dawn to continue into the 5th Generation (IF there is one, that is, which there really isn't proof on that [Masamitsu Hidaka doesn't count, for reasons I have already explained.].) I doubt she is going to continue after the Sinnoh League.

However, there is still a chance that she "Might" somehow replace the fifth Gen female, assuming there is a fifth-gen. I mean, considering how May was in Season 9 despite there already being a girl who would be perfect for that saga, It probably won't matter if she does end up continuing into 5th Gen. In fact, Leaf being left out in Season 9 is also one of the reasons as to why I felt that, even IF Marina/Kris was implemented into Gold and Silver from the start and not delayed until Crystal, Misty would have still go into Johto and Marina would probably rot.

 

[MetaRobo]

However, there is still a chance that she "Might" somehow replace the fifth Gen female, assuming there is a fifth-gen. I mean, considering how May was in Season 9 despite there already being a girl who would be perfect for that saga, It probably won't matter if she does end up continuing into 5th Gen. In fact, Leaf being left out in Season 9 is also one of the reasons as to why I felt that, even IF Marina/Kris was implemented into Gold and Silver from the start and not delayed until Crystal, Misty would have still go into Johto and Marina would probably rot.

Leaf was 3rd-gen, and Marina was not introduced until late 2nd-gen, ya know.

Now that Scott brought up the girls' role in the movies, I do think we need more character-centred movies as opposed to ones centred around big monsters. Of course, by that, I mean characters that aren't Ash.

 

[Cybersai]

Why in the world would they bring in the FR/LG girl to replace May for Battle Frontier?

That doesn't make any lick of sense. FR/LG came out in Japan when we were in the middle of Hoenn.

Emerald came out before Ash even got to Sootopolis, hence why Juan was there instead of Wallace. They weren't going to bring in a female of a remake when May was the main girl of the entire third generation.

Its almost like you're grasping at straws, if Marina had existed with G/S, the writers wouldn't have hesitated to chuck Misty from the series at the end of Orange Islands. The writers didn't keep Misty for Johto because they are a bunch of Misty-loving fan nuts, they kept Misty for Johto because there was no reason to replace her at the time.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Why in the world would they bring in the FR/LG girl to replace May for Battle Frontier?

That doesn't make any lick of sense. FR/LG came out in Japan when we were in the middle of Hoenn.

Emerald came out before Ash even got to Sootopolis, hence why Juan was there instead of Wallace. They weren't going to bring in a female of a remake when May was the main girl of the entire third generation.

Its almost like you're grasping at straws, if Marina had existed with G/S, the writers wouldn't have hesitated to chuck Misty from the series at the end of Orange Islands. The writers didn't keep Misty for Johto because they are a bunch of Misty-loving fan nuts, they kept Misty for Johto because there was no reason to replace her at the time.

All right, IF it was too late to debut Leaf into the series by replacing May as you claim, please explain why they had to place the Battle Frontier in Kanto of all places, when they could have just as easily placed it on that Island in Emerald? Heck, why even give May Squirtle, of all Pokemon (Especially since the special for Mystery dungeon was still under development, anyways).

I mean, IF they couldn't advertize FR/LG adequately, and wanted to Promote Emerald, wouldn't it make more sense to just, you know, place the Battle Frontier on a large Island like they did in the games, and if they DID have to give May an old-gen starter, then at least a Johto Starter (To advertize the fact that you can get Johto Starters in Emerald after filling up the Hoenn Dex.)? As you said before, they already had enough FR/LG adverts by having May catch Bulbasaur on the same day FR/LG was released in Japan, so it would have made more sense to just place the Battle Frontier in the same place as the Emerald Version placed it in (as in, an immense Island just off of Pacifidlog City), and gave May a Chikorita, a Totodile, or heck, even a Cyndaquil just to promote the fact that 2nd gen starters are available in the game after filling out the Hoenn Dex instead of placing it in Kanto, the same place FR/LG was a main focus in, and even going as far as to give her another Kanto starter from that game.

It seems more like you're the one grasping straws in terms of May outstaying her welcome, and wanting Misty ousted off of the show, because if you actually gave thought about it instead of blindly believing that Misty would be inevitably replaced, you would have realized that, by that same logic, they would have replaced May at the end of the Hoenn League due to the fact that they already have a new female playable character.

Heck, you and some other people, prior to the final episode of May as a main character, were even stating that May would continue onto Sinnoh, said that May's "Foreshadowing of going to Johto" by Brock and Scott were just dub additions, that the only "Real" hint at her going to Johto was more likely a hint at just her rivals retiring instead of her actually going, and even going as far as to say that the DP saga would just be a side-saga to be done alongside the AG saga with Dawn as the complete star. I've read all of your posts even before I officially joined Serebiiforums, so don't even try to refute that.