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Hello, all

I'm new to the forum, so sorry if there's already a thread for this. If so, please point me in that direction and delete this thread.

I was just viewing information on Kangaskhan on Bulbapedia, and it stated:

"Kangaskhan is the first Pokémon to have more than one Pokémon in its sprite. The second is Mantine. Though some may say Mantine is the only one since Kangaskhan has no further evolution family."

Though this is wonderful information, I feel that it may be debated. What about the sprite for Slowbro? It essentially has two Pokemon in the sprite - a modified Slowpoke and a modified Shellder. Is it not regarded because they are modified, or is it because they are both an essential part of the overall species, unlike "Kangaskid" in the Kangaskhan sprite or Remoraid in the Mantine sprite? I'm not really debating whether it is right or wrong; I've just noticed things like this and would be interested in knowing if there are others willing to discuss such findings. Thanks!
 
well-worded comments aside, i think the reason that the reason that hasn't been added yet is because kangaskhan and mantine have two distinct pokemon in their sprites, while the shellder you mentioned, is, well, modified. if you think that you're on to something, feel free to edit.
 
This really belongs in the Bulbapedia General Discussion forum as opposed to the Social Forum. Moving accordingly. :D
 
1337R34P3R said:
well-worded comments aside, i think the reason that the reason that hasn't been added yet is because kangaskhan and mantine have two distinct pokemon in their sprites, while the shellder you mentioned, is, well, modified. if you think that you're on to something, feel free to edit.
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Yes, but since the Kangasbaby is just in immature Kangaskhan, and therefore not technically a distinct Pokemon, it would be in this case the same as say Exeggcute unless of course Exeggcute is the assemblage of the "eggs" and the "eggs" themselves are different beings.
 
Technically speaking Mantine's (Gen II & III) and Slowbro's/Sloking's sprites are the only ones with two seperate (and different) Pokémon. Seeing as how the baby Kangaskhan was never given a solo sprite.
 
Perhaps the trivia should mention simply that Kangaskhan, Slowbro/Slowking, and Mantine all have multiple Pokémon in their sprites; that's easy to prove.

Mantine seems easy to prove as well, since it's obviously a Remoraid in the sprite with it (even Mantyke's evolution takes this into account). But saying it's the only Pokémon to have this feature seems like the main problem, since others could be in the same group. Such as...

...Slowbro/Slowking, which is a little tougher to prove. But if we use the Pokédex entries, it should be counted the same; it's supposed to be a Slowpoke with a Shellder attached, and supposedly, the Shellder can come off, so they're still two different Pokémon. However, the sprites don't seem to match this exactly, since there's no explanation for Slowking's extra ruff, or how the Shellder seem to change shape. Ultimately though, I'd count them as well.

Add on to that, Exeggcute and Exeggutor. Now these, I don't believe we should count; the Exeggcute seem to all be a single Pokémon, and with that logic, they don't do anything special when they evolve. It's only if you count them all as seperate Pokémon that it really matters.
It's technically the same as Beldum - Metang - Metagross, which we also don't count (although that is a case of multiple Pokémon grafting together, in the Pokédex description at least). Since that doesn't seem to be backed up in actual gameplay, nor in the anime, I don't think it's worth counting.

I think I covered all of them, right?

Geo - a.k.a. Jioruji Derako
 
Magneton and Dugtrio are considered a single unit formed by the fusion of 3, though. Like, an engine might have multiple cylinders. Bad analogy, but...
 
We can't count in Kangaskhan as it is one Pokemon. The baby is not having its own sprite.
 
evkl said:
Magneton and Dugtrio are considered a single unit formed by the fusion of 3, though. Like, an engine might have multiple cylinders. Bad analogy, but...
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By that logic then, we can rule out Exeggcute/Exeggutor and Metang/Metagross, since they're all multiples forming a singular (basically, if you can't take them apart, they shouldn't be counted as multiples). So Slowbro/Slowking, and Mantine, should be the only two counted (in my opinion). Kangaskhan is still borderline in my opinion, though; they're not two seperate species of Pokémon, but technically, the baby is a seperate Pokémon in the sprite (even if you can't ever catch a baby Kangaskhan). The baby's not actually a part of the parent.

Geo - a.k.a. Jioruji Derako
 
Not even the anime seems to focus on the fact that the baby can be seprated from the parent. Or am I wrong ?
 
Geo, yeah, that's basically what I'm getting at. Kanga is borderline, but I think it would count; basically, the baby isn't a 'function' of a Kangaskhan. You could conceivably have a Kanga without a baby. You couldn't have a Magneton with one Magnemite missing. But I suppose that in and of itself could be debatable.
 
The mini-noses can fall off and become their own Nosepass, but that's the same as saying that those others can separate.
 
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