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Did every season of the Pokemon anime took place after the events of their respective games?

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Cheren was already a Gym leader when he met Ash. Also, there are theories that Ash's Pikachu is originally Red's.
 
The games and the anime are not the same, they are two different fictional universes. They are not canon to each other! Satoshi is just the anime's parallel version of Red, as are their Pikachu.

I still don't see why this concept is so difficult to grasp for you fans. By treating the games and the anime as the same world line, you're already introducing many glaring contradictions. Serena is a late teenager in the games, but she is a preteen in the anime. Kasumi and Takeshi are both adults now in the game timeline, yet they are still 10 and 15 in the anime. Multiple protagonists/rivals that retain their game canon names in the anime would have de-aged and started their journeys again in the anime if they were the same world. The Rocket Gang crime syndicate was disbanded by Red in the games yet they are still shown operational in the anime because Satoshi hasn't defeated them yet. The other antagonist teams would have been defeated similarly twice, which makes no sense at all. The Elite Four of Kantou/Jouto in the anime is still the same way it was before Generation II of the games.

The list goes on. There are so many clashing details laid out between the two media that a clear distinction should automatically register in the human brain, but people still insist on trying to tie them together! Along with the handful of other alternate derivatives of the franchise like the manga series, where apparently Red and Red lookalikes go through an unlimited amount of Groundhog Day loops because all these Reds somehow have to be the same character in all of them... combined with the anime, The Origin, Generations, and the games for one clusterfuck of a continuity that would make even superhero comic authors cringe in bewilderment.

Please, use some common sense, guys! It's not common enough, but it's not that hard.
 
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Simply put, no.

In the anime universe, Ash takes the place of all of the protagonists from the games.

He was originally Red's anime counterpart (and still is, despite being different enough to be considered a separate character), and is now the counterpart to all of the male protagonists from the games.
 
Rath said:
He was originally Red's anime counterpart (and still is, despite being different enough to be considered a separate character), and is now the counterpart to all of the male protagonists from the games.
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He fills in the protagonist role because they don't want to switch out, but I wouldn't say he's their counterpart especially since the anime and games have different stories and characterizations in general. We've seen anime versions of some of the other male game protagonists before (and one in the main character role, Kenta, for a single special while Satoshi was still arguably playing Red's role directly from Generation I extended to Jouto). Simply put, the anime's just Red being the protagonist forever.
 
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FANG-TAN said:
Serena is a late teenager in the games, but she is a preteen in the anime. Kasumi and Takeshi are both adults now in the game timeline, yet they are still 10 and 15 in the anime.
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Was video game Serena's age ever confirmed? I know that Misty and Brock's ages in the anime were at least. I've heard of that claim for video game Serena before, but I just assumed it was because of her design more than anything else. She doesn't look older than fifteen to me and even that might be pushing it.

As for the question at hand, the theory really doesn't make sense considering how the previous series do tend to adapt a good portion of events from the video games. How well they adapt those events into the anime is another issue entirely, but it would be kind of hard to claim that DP and XY took place after their respective games when we saw Team Galactic and Team Flare in action. We wouldn't have seen these evil teams since they would have already been defeated. I don't think I've heard of the theory of Ash's Pikachu being Red's before. That sounds really strange when there's no indication Pikachu had a trainer before Ash and Ash is clearly supposed to be the anime version of Red. Not to mention the video games and anime don't share the same continuity, so this theory doesn't really work.
 
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Was video game Serena's age ever confirmed? I know that Misty and Brock's ages in the anime were at least. I've heard of that claim for video game Serena before, but I just assumed it was because of her design more than anything else. She doesn't look older than fifteen to me and even that might be pushing it.
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Game Serena's age was never confirmed (she and Calme look between sixteen and eighteen to me, which I consider mid-to-late teenager), but regardless the anime design clearly tried to go for a younger look for her. Shorter legs, smaller hips, larger head.
 
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This whole discussion about different medias reminded me about the Delta Episode from OR/AS. If you have Shiny Beldum/Metang/Metagross, Steven Stone will mention "someone with a black Charizard", which is a clear reference to Alain and his Mega Charizard X.

Unless Steven was talking about some unknown game counterpart of Alain and a black (maybe Shiny) Charizard, that's it.

However, this still could make someone wonder if the game and the anime are related in some way. I'm not necessarily saying that they belong to the same continuity, since many events between the anime and the games simply don't tie together in any way, but could still be connected in some way.
 
FANG-TAN said:
Game Serena's age was never confirmed (she and Calme look between sixteen and eighteen to me, which I consider mid-to-late teenager), but regardless the anime design clearly tried to go for a younger look for her. Shorter legs, smaller hips, larger head.
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Anime Serena does look a bit younger, or at least looks shorter than she does in the official artwork for the games, but I doubt that she was that old in the games.
 
Mega evolution special happened before ORAS, according to Steven, but that's a reach.
 
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Emma being sixteen sounds familiar, but where did it say that Calem/Serena were older than her?
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The children that befriend Maltiere (16) reject Serena/Calme for being "grown ups".

They're also like, a foot taller than her, and dwarf the protagonists/rivals that are confirmed 11 in height (Red and Green in RGBY/FRLG, and arguably the Gen II protags if you believe they started the same age as those two for a Generation Xerox). Yuuki and Haruka from the same generation in ORAS are confirmed 12 as rivals, and the basic "body structure dummy" (example for non-artists) used to draw Calme and Serena's body proportions are a massive jump from the ones used to draw the 12-year olds, for just differentiating a preteen from an "early teenager (13-15)".

Because they are older than Maltiere, who is 16-years old, they are at least 17. Game Serena is at least seven years older than Anime Serena.


Cresselia92 said:
This whole discussion about different medias reminded me about the Delta Episode from OR/AS. If you have Shiny Beldum/Metang/Metagross, Steven Stone will mention "someone with a black Charizard", which is a clear reference to Alain and his Mega Charizard X.

Unless Steven was talking about some unknown game counterpart of Alain and a black (maybe Shiny) Charizard, that's it.

However, this still could make someone wonder if the game and the anime are related in some way. I'm not necessarily saying that they belong to the same continuity, since many events between the anime and the games simply don't tie together in any way, but could still be connected in some way.
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Connected by the way of being in the same franchise where different media likes to make minor easter eggs to one another all the time, and sometimes import characters.

All it means is that Game Daigo met a trainer with either a Mega Lizardon X or an alternate-colored Lizardon as an easter egg to the Mega Evolution specials of the XY anime. It's definitely not Alan from the anime because that would make no sense otherwise, and if it is Alan then it's just a game counterpart. Butler and Diane were also put into the games, but they are not the same as the ones from the anime. Same deal with the anime references in Yellow Version.
 
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Rath said:
Simply put, no.

In the anime universe, Ash takes the place of all of the protagonists from the games.

He was originally Red's anime counterpart (and still is, despite being different enough to be considered a separate character), and is now the counterpart to all of the male protagonists from the games.
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FANG-TAN said:
The children that befriend Maltiere (16) reject Serena/Calme for being "grown ups".

They're also like, a foot taller than her, and dwarf the protagonists/rivals that are confirmed 11 in height (Red and Green in RGBY/FRLG, and arguably the Gen II protags if you believe they started the same age as those two for a Generation Xerox). Yuuki and Haruka from the same generation in ORAS are confirmed 12 as rivals, and the basic "body structure dummy" (example for non-artists) used to draw Calme and Serena's body proportions are a massive jump from the ones used to draw the 12-year olds, for just differentiating a preteen from an "early teenager (13-15)".

Because they are older than Maltiere, who is 16-years old, they are at least 17. Game Serena is at least seven years older than Anime Serena.



Connected by the way of being in the same franchise where different media likes to make minor easter eggs to one another all the time, and sometimes import characters.

All it means is that Game Daigo met a trainer with either a Mega Lizardon X or an alternate-colored Lizardon as an easter egg to the Mega Evolution specials of the XY anime. It's definitely not Alan from the anime because that would make no sense otherwise, and if it is Alan then it's just a game counterpart. Butler and Diane were also put into the games, but they are not the same as the ones from the anime. Same deal with the anime references in Yellow Version.
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If I were the scriptwriter of the XY anime series it would definitely take place after the XY games, and Calem appears as a former winner of the Lumiose Conference, mentoring Ash and a cousin to Serena. The story of Team Flare would be attempting to control Xerneas only to be captured by Calem, and that Team Flare's attempt to control Zygarde is a form of revenge to Calem for stopping them and capturing Xerneas. Woukd that be great?
 
That would be terrible. For one, Serena isn't Calme's cousin in the games, why would you make him her cousin if it takes place after the games? On a whim for shipping-related reasons? Second, Satoshi doesn't need a mentor in the XY anime - he's better as a mentor, he just needs a better personality. Lastly, it favors X Version over Y Version, ignores the fact that in X Version, Furadari becomes trapped underground as an immortal thus completely changing XYZ's Zygarde plotline, and contradicts the previous games by setting the anime in the same universe as them for reasons I already explained. Into one ear, out the other. The idea is a total mess.
 
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FANG-TAN said:
That would be terrible. For one, Serena isn't Calme's cousin in the games, why would you make him her cousin if it takes place after the games? On a whim for shipping-related reasons? Second, Satoshi doesn't need a mentor in the XY anime - he's better as a mentor, he just needs a better personality. Lastly, it favors X Version over Y Version, ignores the fact that in X Version, Furadari becomes trapped underground as an immortal thus completely changing XYZ's Zygarde plotline, and contradicts the previous games by setting the anime in the same universe as them for reasons I already explained. Into one ear, out the other. The idea is a total mess.
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Keep in mind that Best Wishes Season 2 Episode N favored black version over white version because they were only after Reshiram

Team Plasma was only after Reshiram
 
Nope.

The anime and the games are two different canon entities, with the anime obviouslybeing the more lively and realistic of the two. Sure, the anime draws up inspiration from the games, but to say that the anime is a sequel or a follow-up of the corresponding games is not correct.
 
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