Did we meet Draconids prior to meeting Zinnia?

[Pokeplayer150]

In ORAS, players were introduced to an ancient people known as the Draconids during the Delta Episode, among them being the newly introduced Zinnia. I've been thinking in depth lately about this new bit of lore and then something crossed my mind: Did Pokemon introduce the Draconids to us before we even knew who they were? What I mean by this is what if we've already met a character that likely could have been a member of the Draconids and we didn't even know about them at the time. There's one in particular in which I'm referring to: Iris. In the games, Iris is stated to have been raised in the Village of Dragons before becoming a surrogate granddaughter to Drayden. We know almost nothing about this isolated place except for the fact that its name implies that it's home to dragon-type specialists, just like Zinnia. But there's more, when you talk to Iris in-game, she's shown to possess an in-depth knowledge of Reshiram and Zekrom, the two legendary dragons that Unova's very history revolves around, much like how Zinnia, and likely the rest of her people, have a deep understanding of Rayquaza, another legendary dragon that's not only worshipped as Hoenn's guardian, but whose history has been passed down among the Draconids for centuries, how do you think Iris learned all about Reshiram and Zekrom? It's not only possible that she could have been a Draconid, but that they hold a connection to all legendary dragon-types, hence they tend to have heavy settlements in their regions of origin, namely Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova. What do you guys think of this theory? If you agree with it, do you think it'll be confirmed in a Gen 5 remake? Please respond below and see ya!

 

[Bolt Strike]

Considering how many characters in the series have connections to legendary dragons, I'd be willing to bet quite a few of them are Draconoids, Lance, Clair, Cynthia, Drayden, Iris, Drasna. We'll probably see them retcon several characters to be Draconoids.

 

[BlackButterfree]

If I remember correctly, either the games or anime say the Village of Dragons is in Sinnoh. (If it was anime, then completely disregard what I'm about to say...) What if it's a nickname for Celestic Town? Think about it, Cynthia's grandmother is well-versed in the Creation Trio (Dialga, Palkia and Giratina) all of whom are dragons, near Celestic Town is the old woman who teaches Draco Meteor, as well as Mt. Coronet and Spear Pillar on the other side. Drasna confirmed she was from Sinnoh, and hinted at coming from that town, which furthers this hypothesis.

Since Sinnoh and Hoenn are connected to Johto, who is in turn connected to Kanto, there could be ancient Draconids' descendants in all of Poké-Japan and maybe even Kalos and Unova as well. In fact, my new headcanon is that all the Dragon-type specialists up to this point (Lance, Clair, Drake, Iris, Drayden, Drasna, Cynthia) are descended from Draconids. And since Dragon-types are relatively rare with NPC's, I might even suggest that all dragon users could be Draconids. After all, we don't know about their history except for the ones who always stayed in Meteor Falls. And little about them as well.

 

[The Outrage]

Draconids are specifically tied to their worship of Rayquaza. I don't see why there can't be more than one culture that reveres Dragon Pokemon, considering how multiple cultures in real life have their own lore on dragons.

Iris' knowledge of Reshiram and Zekrom doesn't stem from the Village of Dragons--it comes from Drayden. In B2W2, we find out that Drayden's family has been safeguarding information on the two dragons, Kyurem, and the Gene Splicer. Iris was adopted by Drayden to be his successor, so obviously he'd pass his family's knowledge down to her. The only thing we know about the Village of Dragons is that it was a small community of Dragon users, Iris' knowledge of Unova lore was taught to her by Drayden.

 

[Morningstar]

Draconids are specifically tied to their worship of Rayquaza. I don't see why there can't be more than one culture that reveres Dragon Pokemon, considering how multiple cultures in real life have their own lore on dragons.

Now that i think about the religion thing is pretty likely. Though there is still one question. Are they connected to Mega Evolution in some way besides Rayquayza, because I think that Korrina may have been involved with them directly or indirectly.

 

[The Outrage]

Now that i think about the religion thing is pretty likely. Though there is still one question. Are they connected to Mega Evolution in some way besides Rayquayza, because I think that Korrina may have been involved with them directly or indirectly.

I think Korrina's ancestors are completely unrelated. Mega Evolution was first discovered in Kalos (and perhaps the first human-Pokemon facilitated Mega Evolution) by a trainer and their Lucario. Korrina's family has probably studied the secrets of Mega Evolution since then, but I don't think her ancestor was necessarily aware or related to the Draconids.

Other dragon clans, on the other hand may be related to Draconids. We know that Draconids existed before they started worshiping Rayquaza. Perhaps there was a diaspora of dragon users that are interrelated, and one group developed into the Draconids. The Embedded Tower suggests that there was migration between Johto and Hoenn, so perhaps some of the early Hoenn migrants to Johto became Blackthorn's Dragon clan, or maybe it was the other way around. I doubt there was only one single instance of migration between the two regions.

As for Sinnoh, I really wouldn't consider Celestic Town the village of dragons (that was fan theory). Wilma doesn't even live in Celestic Town, and its heavily implied that she was originally from Blackthorn, making Celestic Town as a Draconid settlement sketchy at best.

As for Iris, she definitely comes from a community of dragon-users, or at least somewhere where they live with dragons, but her knowledge of Unova lore comes from being Drayden's successor.

 

[Morningstar]

Other dragon clans, on the other hand may be related to Draconids. We know that Draconids existed before they started worshiping Rayquaza. Perhaps there was a diaspora of dragon users that are interrelated, and one group developed into the Draconids. The Embedded Tower suggests that there was migration between Johto and Hoenn, so perhaps some of the early Hoenn migrants to Johto became Blackthorn's Dragon clan, or maybe it was the other way around. I doubt there was only one single instance of migration between the two regions.

You know I'm wondering how that tower came to be. Why did the tower get built (and no, Doylist reasons like "To get the Weather Trio in Gen IV" don't count. I mean In-Universe). Did the Draconids built the tower to contain Groudon/Kyogre in Johto? Was it built to aid the summoning there in case Raquayza was needed on Kanto/Johto?

 

[Lufenium]

Draconids are specifically tied to their worship of Rayquaza. I don't see why there can't be more than one culture that reveres Dragon Pokemon, considering how multiple cultures in real life have their own lore on dragons.

This - I wouldn't want to see characters having links together just for the sake of it because they are connected to Dragon type Pokemon.

At the moment, Rayquaza is the only Dragon linked to the Draconids. I'd say it's a possibility we'll see more of the Draconids in D/P, B/W & B2/W2 remakes given their box mascots all being Dragons.

Did the Draconids built the tower to contain Groudon/Kyogre in Johto? Was it built to aid the summoning there in case Raquayza was needed on Kanto/Johto?

That's an interesting theory, but I honestly doubt Game Freak thought that far ahead when making HG/SS.

 

[godiego]

Unless (or perhaps until) they are retcon'd in the future, I think the only significant Draconid that we know of is Zinnia (and her grandmother). I don't think there is sufficient evidence to assume that any other significant Dragon-type user is a Draconid just based on the knowledge of the mythical dragon lore of their region nor their usage of Dragons.

 

[Morningstar]

Did the Draconids built the tower to contain Groudon/Kyogre in Johto? Was it built to aid the summoning there in case Raquayza was needed on Kanto/Johto?

That's an interesting theory, but I honestly doubt Game Freak thought that far ahead when making HG/SS.

They wouden't have to. They can retcon this via Schrödinger's Gun. We know Hoenn immigrants built the tower, but we don't know who they are

 

[megalatias365]

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That's an interesting theory, but I honestly doubt Game Freak thought that far ahead when making HG/SS.[/QUOTE]

They could just make them Draconids now. Or this is all just a coinkidink.

 

[League]

This is an excellent-ish question, but it all depends on how you view the timeline question of ORAS. If ORAS are taken to somewhat cheaply suggest that the RSE games occupy different worlds (and that really each cartridge is a different world), then really the existence of Draconids in those other worlds is very much up in the air.

Now if the Draconids don't have to exist in two different worlds but the same one character more or less does, it doesn't seem prudent to tie in that character's past with the Draconids. There would have to be some mechanism that would "desire the outcomes" of Ash, Iris, etc. if these characters could have different lineages and more or less appear in different worlds. (The concept of the multiverse as it has been presented in almost every fictional iteration is nigh unbelievable due humans with the same likenesses spanning different worlds.)