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Yay! Digimon is coming back, finally. And it looks like the main cast this time around is about 16 years old instead of the usual 10 and 11 year olds. o_O Well, the fans of the series have always wanted it to be more mature considering the level of violence and drama that goes on in the storylines, so I guess they got their wish.

I wish someone would set up a Digimon Wiki, considering that there's a fair bit of information and no one site has ever compiled it really well - there are about 800 different Digimon, and the human characters - although a lot less than Pokemon, usually require incredibly indepth biographies to get their full histories straight.

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http://wiki.digivice.net/

That's the only one I could find, but it's pretty barren.
 
As loyal as the fanbase is, there is no saving it at this point, unless they do something truly spectacular. Frontier was interesting, but too much random screwballness for my taste, that and a lot of the original formula that made it so good was lost. I was also bitter for it not being at a time that I could watch it when it originally aired here. Tamers was the last one I saw regularly and I enjoyed it immensely.
 
The original 2 series of Digimon were pretty good - but it went WAAAAY downhill from there.

If this one's actually any good and not as rubbish and messed up as 3/4 were then I'd hope it gets dubbed. But not by 4Kids of course. ^^

Although somehow I doubt it'll really be able to recapture the winning formula from the first two.
 
Tamers was my favorite, I think people reacted badly to it because it was aimed at an older fanbase than the main characters or audience. It was basically Evangelion with adorable monsters which I think confused a lot of the viewers.

But yeah - Frontier might as well have been a generic sentai show for all the relevance to Digimon it had.

As loyal as the fanbase is, there is no saving it at this point, unless they do something truly spectacular. Frontier was interesting, but too much random screwballness for my taste, that and a lot of the original formula that made it so good was lost. I was also bitter for it not being at a time that I could watch it when it originally aired here. Tamers was the last one I saw regularly and I enjoyed it immensely.
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Furthermore, as far as I can remember, Pokemon hasn't tried anything truly spectacular since the Orange Islands episodes - yet it keeps on chugging along with nothing BUT random screwballness.

I like Pokemon and Digimon both for different reasons - but I have to admit that Digimon's anime is far superior to Pokemon's - while Pokemon's merchandise, games, and continuity is far superior to Digimon's (and generally more stable).
 
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I, personally, would LOVE to see ?amers rereun on TV. I as relly enjoying the show, back in highschool, but work became important, too, so I basically stopped watching TV. I used to watch Tamers and Medabots while I cooked dinner. I never saw how either ended.

Digimon's foirst season was wacky and funny and enjoyable. It's second season, except for the whole ken's-past arc, I found somewhat obnoxious. Tamers rocked. It really did. It was funny and clever, much like the first season, but with a more mature outlook, design and overall nature. I think after Tamers, the Disney company took over the english-language Digimon franchise. I never watched Frontier. The art design threw me off.

IO bought the Tamers manga, but it was too sparse for me to follow without a solid TV background.

Offtopic, I think it's time for a nice letter campaigne to YTV and the like...I'd be happy to see Digimon rerun, along with Escaflowne, Medabots, Sam&Max, Bump in the Night and a number of others that have fallen by the wayside (coughMIGHTYMAXcough)...I mean, Reboot had only two seasons and has been in rotation for almost ten years...
 
I really didn't like Frontier because it wasn't Digimon - it was a show about super-powered humans who happened to be fighting monsters that were Digimon, but for all intents and purposes it lacked the human/digimon interaction that is always so interesting to see.

That's why X-Evolution/the unfufilled X Antibody story bothered me as well - it lacked the other half of the equation and was all Digimon with no humans.

You can't do it half-assed - the concept doesn't work with either humans without Digimon (because there's nothing unique) or Digimon without humans (there's no characters to emotionally ground the story).
 
Then I have seriously underestimated the fanbase. I certainly haven't seen any avid Digi fans since Tamers ended. I always had equal dedication to both Pokemon and Digimon, but when Tamers ended and I could no longer see the new one, which wasn't too good anyway (I saw plenty of them on ABC Family's Jetix), I eventually forgot most of what I knew about Digimon and now focused on Pokemon. I didn't think Digimon could return. I shall await to see if this is true.
 
In a nutshell,as far as the movies and games are concerned,Pokemon > Digimon.As far as the series go,Digimon > Pokemon mainly because Digimon actually has a story.It really sucks that Pokemon has so much untapped potential,but for the time being it comes with the territory when you're a fan of Pokemon. =/


My favorite Digimon series is 02,mainly because I thought it was an amazing follow up to the original series.(even if it did have that 'wacky' ending) And yeah,Digimon Tamers was excellent.It had a great story but I don't know if I'd call it 'the Eva of Digimon'. <<; Sure,humanity might've been annihilated,but the threat of annihilation shows up in plenty of other stuff too.



I still believe Tamers could be connected to the original series somehow.My theory was that something terrible happened in the real world that casused a huge backlash against Digimon.(since Digimon made themselves present in the real world at the of 02) Something so terrible,that T.K./Yamaki began to hate Digimon.So they permanently rid the world of Digimon,and to prevent anybody from diving into the digital world again,they set up Hypnos to re-write history and brainwash the entire world to make them forget they really existed and to believe that Digimon was just a card game/anime series.
 
It had a great story but I don't know if I'd call it 'the Eva of Digimon'. <<; Sure,humanity might've been annihilated,but the threat of annihilation shows up in plenty of other stuff too.
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Actually, according to the director, the latter fourth of Tamers was specifically inspired by Eva:

Takato and Dukemon = Shinji and 01
Ruki and Sakuyamon = Asuka and 02
D-Reaper = Angels
Toji = Hirokazu
Hypnos = NERV

The influence was obviously there, anyways.
 
That's funny, I loved Frontier. I enjoyed it and Tamers the most.

Interesting that the cast is going to be older this time. Does that mean the rating will be upped?
 
It probably means something like what they did with the original digidestined in 02. They are wiser, they can have really deep feelings for each other. (The whole Tai/Matt/Sora triangle) Although, in 02 there seemed to be ships being blatantly thrown out everywhere, but that was the only one that I could actually feel their emotions. (Ok, I might've cried when Takato confessed his feelings for Jeri, too) They have definitely shown that they can up the drama. I would take the fact that the main reason the original digidestined were so mature and wise was from their experiences with the digimon. I'm not saying that their age has nothing to do with it, either. It's just that discovering a race of digital beings from a digital world would take a lot of time for anyone to get used to. I should know, I was 17 when I got into pokemon, and I made the same noobish mistakes as anyone else did. Even Rika, the Digimon champ, had to learn that digimon were not just bunches of data.

I'm not really sure if it would detract from it or not. It does seem like Digimon attracts more of the hardcore anime fanbase, which do demand things to be a lot more mature. A lot of the attractiveness of Digimon, the same as Pokemon, is that there is also still a lot of lighthearted fun in there, too. Even with Tamers, the first saga in there was really boring, until the Devas came along and made it really cool.
 
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Actually, according to the director, the latter fourth of Tamers was specifically inspired by Eva:

Takato and Dukemon = Shinji and 01
Ruki and Sakuyamon = Asuka and 02
D-Reaper = Angels
Toji = Hirokazu
Hypnos = NERV

The influence was obviously there, anyways.
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Well the Angles certainly weren't the first to threaten humanity's existence,so that wasn't what made Eva standout in the first place.When you said Tamers was like the Eva of Digimon,I thought you meant it was "Eva good".(it was good,but not that good....)


If it's more like Digimon with an Eva spin to it,then I can agree with that.But then again,after Eva made it's impact there was a whole slew of animes that tried to emulate it.Some were pretty good (Rahxephon),and some were pretty bad.(Generator Gawl,Candidate for Goddess) Digimon Tamers belongs in the group that managed to do it right.



I think Pokemon has it's share of Eva influences too.I think both Aqua and Magma are sort of similar to SEELE.Both are these orginazations with insane objectives and are convinced that it's in humanity's best interests.And then there's the Regis of course.As soon as I first saw them,the first thing that came to mind was Eva.


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http://wiki.digivice.net/index.php?title=Digimon_Savers

Well, there are the new Digimon as well as all that is known about the series, some thoughts:

The main protagonist's Digimon, GeoGreymon is nearly identicle to Greymon in every way. It has more stripes and smaller horns, but that's it. How dissapointing. I'm not impressed with how they're trying to turn Agumon into the Pikachu of Digimon - a repetitive staple character who can easily wear out its welcome.

Gaomon and Gaogamon look damn decent for the role of the rival's Digimon. Pretty much what you'd expect.

Lalamon and Sunflowmon look like deformed Sunkern and Sunflora. It's hard to believe they're Child and Adult. Girl characters really end up with weak Digimon since Tamers ended and Ruki and Renamon's asskicking streak stopped. Since then, we've had Izumi - who only won one fight on her own and needed rescuing in her debut episode, Ami who has a Baby, and some Chinese girl who I can't remember who didn't even have a Digimon and was just there to be rescued.

And Pawn Chessmon are owned by two police women who are members of DATS - a Digimon police force? Could it mean Digimon are known throughout the world in this version?
 
In this post-4Kids One Piece era, what we really need is a rehash of Digimon Adventure; a light-heated journey through chaos and mass mahem, fast-paced with various good puns, good acting and fun dialogue rephrasal. Watching Digimon isn't supposed to depress people!
 
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In this post-4Kids One Piece era, what we really need is a rehash of Digimon Adventure; a light-heated journey through chaos and mass mahem, fast-paced with various good puns, good acting and fun dialogue rephrasal. Watching Digimon isn't supposed to depress people!
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Digimon Adventure was fun, entertaining and colourful. Tamers was just a contradiction to everything Adventure was and turned me off Digimon completely. I'd love them to take Digimon back to its roots and do it properly again.
 
GeoGreymon? Here we go with the alternate evos again. I wonder what Agumon wearing those bands on his claws has to do with it, though. I never thought I'd see the day when the digimon would start looking like pokemon instead of the other way around. Now people are going to start bringing that up again every time a strange new poke shows up just because I mentioned it. It does look like it should be In-Training and Rookie instead of Rookie and Champion, but I can only be reminded of Gatomon, who also is a Champion but looks like a Rookie. Not to mention Gato could run rings around most other Champions. Also looks like we have another wolf mon. Rival, huh? It could only be the popular evil person that turns good arc again. Unless they want to make it a friendly rival this time. They just had the evil turned good arc in the last one, I don't see why they would do it again. Anyway, my biggest beef is with having Agumon in a starring role again. I don't think we needed that again, unless they give this Agumon a different personality. It would definitely make sense with the different evo line. I'm sure the biggest question on everyone's minds is "What will this do to the rest of Greymon's forms?" I'm not sure myself. It sounds like they are making this Greymon ground-related instead of fire. I can't be certain on that, either. *imagines stone-armored WarGreymon o.o*
 
I've seen nearly every episode right to the end of season 4 but of all of them, Tamers greatly satisfied my taste for Digimon. For some reason I thought that the first two seasons took too long and dragged plot around from episode to epidsode.

What I really liked about Tamers was how it took a bold new approach which seems like to many, either a pick up or let down. I really loved the environments in Tamers and how lifelike it all seemed. The season I believe is the shortest out there, but the series as a whole was executed percisely to be its own entity and thus, made it more enjoyable. But I digress, pretty much many of the good points have been made about the Tamers season so far and doesn't need any repetition.

I wouldn't mind seeing a sequel to the series, but if the description of the 'Savers' season is true, this may or may not be a good thing, going against the plot that made Tamers so well rounded. In the comming months I guess we'll just have to get more info on what's going on then.
 
I have to say though having seen every season of digimon I think that the best was the first two seasons simply because they had more of a storyline and had an idea of where they were going. The frontier season was absolute garbish no fluency over use of of inventing evo chains voices were dull plus like someone probably said before contradicted itself itself. And has to be the first cartoon that I had to force myself to watch it to the end and lastly very bad idea to make humans into digimon takes away from the digimon being individuals:phew:.
 
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