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Ash's grass Pokemon seem to always get a tad more focus than his other Pokemon, and now that he has four of them in total, what are your thoughts on them?

- Bulbasaur
- Chikorita/Bayleef
- Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile
- Turtwig

There's no denying that Bulbasaur got a lot of great focus over the animes run, and is almost constantly glorified right up there with Charizard.

However, I really do think Chikorita/Bayleef is the only Johto starter of Ash's that the writers actually put work into. Chikorita's jealousy of Pikachu and crush on Ash was great (which is rehashed with Aipom six seasons later), and I found Bayleef to be an interesting fighter.

Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile is one of the defining Pokemon of AG, and is certainly one of the best. It's arrogant/badass attitude was always a winner from its Treecko days, and Grovyle had some really well done wins and the cool glowing Leaf Blade attack. It was also nice to have a bi-pedal grass starter for once, watching a gecko jump through trees was a nice change of pace. Finally we have Sceptile, who basically joins Charizard as Ash's only second fully evolved starter.

Lastly we have Turtwig, who I admittedly don't like all that much, mostly because it seems to be a remix of Bulbasaur, but I'm holding out for it to improve once it evolves, since its second form has a great design and is bound to be a different type of battler than the others.

What are your thoughts on his grass types?
 
Personally, I love Ash's grass types! ^_^

I think they're awesome!



Anyway, I've always loved Ash's Bulbasaur. It's a great Pokemon, and I think it's very close to Ash. I like its personality, and how it chose not to evolve in "Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden" (which remains one of my favorite season one episodes even today - and also, I like how BMG is named after that episode).


Chikorita/Bayleef, I like even more than Bulbasaur. Yes, it's mostly because of her crush on Ash. And I think that's pretty much the same way I'd act around Ash (if I were one of his Pokemon, lol). One of my favorite episodes is the one where Chikorita evolved into Bayleef. "Current Events" is an amazing episode, and when you watch it, you can really feel how much Chikorita loves Ash. And overall, there's no denying the fact that Chikorita/Bayleef cares for Ash a lot (crush aside), even though it's not currently with him in the anime.


Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile - I've always liked Treecko. I think my favorite thing about it, and its evolved forms, is the fact that it's such a unique Pokemon. It has a very interesting personality, and of course, I love how it carries a twig all the time!! XD



Turtwig - I like the Pokemon itself. I think it's very cute, just like the other grass starters. <3 However, other than the D/P preview movie (or the first 3 episodes of the D/P dub), I haven't seen any episodes of Diamond and Pearl. And also, because I don't watch the Japanese version, I don't have an opinon on Ash's Turtwig yet.
 
Grass Pokemon always tend to rock. Lombre, Carnivine, Victrebell, Cacnea...they rule.
 
Eh, I'd say Carnivine is more like Victreebel than anyone else.
 
Scott85 said:
There's no denying that Bulbasaur got a lot of great focus over the animes run, and is almost constantly glorified right up there with Charizard.
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I'll give Bulbasaur his due, he's been in some good battles. He and Sceptile are on par in my veiw.

However, I really do think Chikorita/Bayleef is the only Johto starter of Ash's that the writers actually put work into.
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Why because it evolved? In case you forgotten Cyndaquil had the most jouto gym battles out of that pack, i think the main reason the evolved to Chicorita was to difference it from Bulbasaur since it pretty much was a bulba clone, the only exception was it's crush on Ash.

And no i don't find one move intresting in combat. Body Slam didn't really help much after it learned it.

It's arrogant/badass attitude was always a winner from its Treecko days, and Grovyle had some really well done wins and the cool glowing Leaf Blade attack.
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Yet at the same time had one of the series most embarrising defeats as Grovyle.

It was also nice to have a bi-pedal grass starter for once, watching a gecko jump through trees was a nice change of pace. Finally we have Sceptile, who basically joins Charizard as Ash's only second fully evolved starter.
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While i did like the fact Sceptile was fully evolved and did bring a contrasting style of fighting to the table the other plants have, i don't like the fact of how he quickly became so overated by the fandom the moment he evolved into Sceptile, it got even worse after the Regirock match as you couldn't go one day on any board without someone complaining about how Sceptile was "Destined" to beat Regirock and become glorified, like he was to be handed it.>>

Lastly we have Turtwig, who I admittedly don't like all that much, mostly because it seems to be a remix of Bulbasaur, but I'm holding out for it to improve once it evolves, since its second form has a great design and is bound to be a different type of battler than the others.
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I love this "Personality over Battle prowless" concept people have developed, personality alone doesn't make a pokemon, sure it should have one, but it's not everything, heck move wise Turtwig has one of the most versital move pools out of any of the others(Razor Leaf is the only "same" move that Bulbasaur has) not to mention Turtwig did rather well in it's first gym battle by actually doing what it's predecessors couldn't do and ko a pokemon before going down. That's a statement in itself. Not to mention Turtwig's got a while to go before we see where the writers take it.

Overall Ranking of them is.
1/Bulbasaur and Sceptile
2/Turtwig
3/Bayleef
 
Yet at the same time had one of the series most embarrising defeats as Grovyle.
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You sure like to bring that up, but as a Charizard fan their seems to be some natural rivalry between them. :p
 
Yes, on SPP most people wanted Sceptile to get a rematch against Regirock to prove that he could take down a legendary just like Charizard.
 
well the thing is, he already proved he's a capable fighter against legendaries when he managed to actually catch Deoxys in its Speed Form, and he managed to deal a lot of damage against Regirock as well (even looking past the fact that Satoshi was possessed and pulling some dirty tactics). I keep saying the guy should've got a rematch because the one obstacle that kept Satoshi from winning that time was Jindai's Lock-on strategy. Notice that this same strategy is what screwed him over in the Cotoise vs. Registeel match. Normally, the writers would let Satoshi learn from strategies he never saw before and devise ways to get around them, but for some reason, they didn't seem to make a big deal out of Lock-on at all (sure, in the games, it's probably just seen as a turn-waster if a one-hit KO move isn't being used, but in the anime environment, it looks to be quite a lethal force, especially with dodging usually being abused to death). It's one thing to not have Satoshi, or at least Takeshi, bring up how Lock-on affected the outcome of the battles, but it's another that they just seemed to take the easy way out, let Satoshi's final battle against Jindai be against a single Regi that doesn't even use Lock-on (oh, and give him a bullshit win in the process... honestly, one hit from Volt Tackle after it recovers from Rest?), and three other miscellaneous Pokemon that could be handled by his Kantou starters all for the sole purpose of blatant nostalgic fanservice. -_- I should add that Regice vs. Pikachu was purely one-on-one, as Fushigidane tied with Solrock, thus Regice suffered no damage prior. Those starters were completely unnecessary. And come on, after seeing Satoshi take down one legendary at the beginning of Battle Frontier, an all-Regi three-on-three would've seemed both a believable form of progress and an arguably perfect way for the Battle Frontier to go out.
 
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I personally was hoping Torkoal, Glalie, and Sceptile all got to face off against the Regi's in the final rematch, with Sceptile pulling off a close win.
 
Well, we'll probably see Sceptile in action again after Sinnoh ends. He'd definitely be high on the writers list of Oak'd Pokemon whenever they use them again.

Although I really want to see him use Bayleef. His Johto team got royally screwed in Battle Frontier, none of them got a single battle. Not only that, they got royally screwed back in Johto too because the Kanto trio took over the tournament from them.

It's really suprising though. You'd think the writers would give equal opportunity for all of Ash's Oak'd Pokemon to shine, but they pretty much ignored his Johto team entirely in BF. I honestly feel sorry for them, and the more Pokemon Ash gets the less likely we'll see them do anything either.
 
Personally, it's always been speculated if Ash's slow personality was due to all the grass that he kept on him. lol

Seriously though, I always enjoy Ash's team, and it's always nice to see how he develops a bond with them. Also, Turtwig isn't anything like Bulbasaur in my opinion.
 
I realize that it wasn't on his team for long, but Heracross did appear in Battle Frontier
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And lost...pretty fast, but they atleast remembered his quirk.
 
What is so special about Turtwig? All of Ash's prior grass types had much better personalities in their first forms, whether it be Bulbasaur's stubborness, Chikorita's crush, or Treecko's pride.

Turtwig...likes to bite things? Uh, ok.

At least when it evolves it'll become more of a tank-esque Pokemon, hopefully having a different battle style than his other grass types.
 
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What is so special about Turtwig? All of Ash's prior grass types had much better personalities in their first forms, whether it be Bulbasaur's stubborness, Chikorita's crush, or Treecko's pride.
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How far did those personalities get them in thier first gym matches?

Turtwig at least got a kill in his first gym battle, something i hold in much higher value, you can feed me all your garbage about how the first three had unfair odds, but surely if "personality matters more than battle skills" then they would've triumphed regardless am i right? >>
 
Chaosblazer said:
How far did those personalities get them in thier first gym matches?
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It doesn't really matter that the other three lost their first Gym matches. They all had plenty of great wins later on, and their personalities shone through.

Besides, even you admitted at SPP that Turtwig swinging Craindos' evolved form (forgot the name) like a ragdoll with Turtwig biting its neck was rather dues ex material.
 
Scott85 said:
It doesn't really matter that the other three lost their first Gym matches. They all had plenty of great wins later on, and their personalities shone through.
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Maybe their doing for Turtwig then, the thing is you won't even ackowledge the thing just because it has little personality like that's all that matters to a pokemon when it's not.

Look at Staravia, for all the personality it has it can't even hit a Turtwig and got complete crushed by a Leaf Storm attack, and to my knowledge i don't recall one time in history Overheat ever succeeded in knocking a pokemon out on it's own power so why should Leaf Storm be treated differently? Unless of course Staravia was just that weak, i'll laugh if it's left out of the gym battle cause i seriously think it will be.

Besides, even you admitted at SPP that Turtwig swinging Craindos' evolved form (forgot the name) like a ragdoll with Turtwig biting its neck was rather dues ex material.
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I thought we weren't going to discuss the rematch anyway, Turtwig did well in both of them, yes the swinging thing was a bit dues ex, however Turtwig was promptly nailed with a Head Smash that almost took him out so it didn't seem as bad in the end.
 
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