Do you find Trip/Shooti to be an interesting rival?

[Musashi]

Unlike Shinji, Satoshi's latest rival is a new trainer who has either beaten or tied with Satoshi in every battle. Do you find Shooty to be an interesting rival, or are you bored of their rivalry? Please explain why or why not.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

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What can I say that hasn't already been said he is overpowered and him beating Ash is terrible writing but he did nothing to piss me off other then win. He is very logical guy so I like him. His rivalry with Ash is lame but it's Ash's fault the rivalry's lack. Did I phrase anything weird?

 

[Necrozma]

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They still don't have a rivalry.

Shooti's character interests me, though. I feel that their rivalry will develop furtherly once Alder makes his official appearance in one of the episodes together with Trip. We also need to learn what happened in Trip's childhood so he happened to turn out like this.

 

[Cybersai]

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Its not a particularly good rivalry, and the character himself still doesn't have much going for him.

 

[Aestivate]

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I don't think their rivalry is any good perse, (the fact that they're STILL USING IRIS to instigate conflict = probably reeaaally bad) and Shuuti bored me to tears in the beginning, but his kuudere tendencies made me warm up to him much more. I wish the anime would play up the kuudere and the actual rivalry between Satoshi and Shuuti, and downplay "OMZGLKJDS LET'S BATTLE EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE YOU BECAUSE THAT'S BASIC." The interaction between them in the Fushide episode was actually interesting...

 

[MarshiyanMisutaa]

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I don't reall see that much of a rivalry between them.

 

[Karamazov]

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While Trip is himself not a bad character (if a pallette-swap Paul at times), but there's not much a rivalry between him and Ash. Ash just likes to battle, and Iris justy instigates one between them.

 

[Gracidea]

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He is probably the worst rival yet, we just don't know anything about him and the English voice actor adds no personality to the character at all, But it is still early days yet so i am sure we will get a bit more back story in the future, But so far i am not very impressed.

 

[SilverChromeX]

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Too early in the series to declare that these two are rivals. Sooner or later they will become rivals as it has happened between Paul and Ash later in Sinnoh. I think once Trip starts to see more to Ash than what he believes to be a boonie, then he'll take Ash a bit more seriously. When it comes to Trip, he goes by the books and I have no doubts that he will base his opinions on books. Since Ash came from the so-called boonies, Trip only sees him as such. I'm waiting for when Trip comes to find that his logic with general stereotypes will leave him with what he did not see coming (Ash of course beating him epically).

 

[The Puppetmaster]

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They still don't have a rivalry.

Shooti's character interests me, though. I feel that their rivalry will develop furtherly once Alder makes his official appearance in one of the episodes together with Trip. We also need to learn what happened in Trip's childhood so he happened to turn out like this.

This is how I feel. I see character depth in Trip and, and I think he'll develop over the saga, but I'm not so sure about the Ash vs. Trip rivalry. I, too, believe that if their rivalry does grow, it will be sometime after Alder makes his debut appearance in-person. I think Ash, a trainer whom Trip has beaten before, will defeat him in front of his idol and leave him feeling crushed. I think the battle in which they partook in BW034 where they tied is building up to Trip's future loss against Ash in front of the Champion. After losing to a "hick," I think Trip will take him more seriously and strive to prove himself better, thus sparking the rivalry.

Or this could not happen at all and I just need to hightail it to the Writer's Workshop.

 

[SilverChromeX]

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This is how I feel. I see character depth in Trip and, and I think he'll develop over the saga, but I'm not so sure about the Ash vs. Trip rivalry. I, too, believe that if their rivalry does grow, it will be sometime after Alder makes his debut appearance in-person. I think Ash, a trainer whom Trip has beaten before, will defeat him in front of his idol and leave him feeling crushed. I think the battle in which they partook in BW034 where they tied is building up to Trip's future loss against Ash in front of the Champion. After losing to a "hick," I think Trip will take him more seriously and strive to prove himself better, thus sparking the rivalry.

Or this could not happen at all and I just need to hightail it to the Writer's Workshop.

I shall join you in the event that such a thing would happen.

It definitely will most likely spark when it is that Alder appears. The writer's would not just show a piece of Trip's background only to not have Alder ever cross Ash and Co.'s path. That was entirely foreshadowing. Yes, background gives characters depth, but a flashback has to indicate something. Your idea sounds more valid than mine where Trip beats Alder, but then Ash beats Trip (Blue beats Lance, Red beats Blue). That would be horrible to lose in front of the guy you admired and set on your journey for in the first place. I wonder if Alder will make an earlier appearance then another one when Ash is with Trip then acknowledge Ash. That could definitely frustrate Trip since he would want Alder's attention.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

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Well guys Paul was done so perfectly so of course it is going to be a let down. He didn't have a rival in Hoenn and that was not so bad was it. What they should have done is develop other antagonists and hold out on Ash until they got something that would really push Ash over the edge like a friend becoming a foe or a rival who is like Trip but not a n00b and has legionaries. You know something that will top Paul cause now everyone is underwhelmed on both sides.

 

[Sweet Veil]

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I like Shuuti. Of course people are gonna say he's not interesting coming from DP off of Shinji.

But, yeah he's okay to me. Nice cool Pokemon, interesting strategies, he met the Champ of the Isshu region, helped Mijumaru master Aqua Jet, has opened the door for a new plot for Tsutarja and Janobii and has done some things I like. And I like how he's not a straight up jerk like Shinji. It'll be difficult to make him interesting, without him coming off as smug like Shigeru or coming off as a straight up jerk like Shinji. You must view Shuuti as Shuuti the only way I think your gonna enjoy him is if you treat BW as a separate show in it's own right just like people did with DP, and AG.

Of course he has his flaws that need a little tinkering.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

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I like Shuuti. Of course people are gonna say he sucks coming from DP off of Shinji.

But, yeah he's interesting to me. Nice cool Pokemon, interesting strategies, he met the Champ of the Isshu region, helped Mijumaru master Aqua Jet, has opened the door for a new plot for Tsutarja and Janobii and has done some things I like. And I like how he's not a straight up jerk like Shinji. If your expecting way way more better a rival in Shuuti then Shinji you might as well quit watching now. Because, there's no way in heck the writers can make him interesting for "your" taste, without him coming off as smug ass like Shigeru or coming off as a straight up jerk like Shinji. You must view Shuuti as Shuuti the only way I think your gonna enjoy him is if you treat BW as a separate show in it's own right just like people should with DP, and AG.

I kinda said the same thing before you but I don't like the "your taste" and "you might as well quit watching now" attitude it's kinda antagonizing.

 

[Iteru]

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If you find that a user is being incredibly rude or flaming you, then please report them instead of posting about it. Cheers.

 

[Sweet Veil]

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I kinda said the same thing before you but I don't like the "your taste" and "you might as well quit watching now" attitude it's kinda antagonizing.

You're right about that, I went ahead and changed it since it may come off as a bit rude. ;-)

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

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Your right about that, I went ahead and changed it since it may come off as a bit rude. ;-)

That is really cool of you I kinda got mad at you a few times recently but you earned my respect and you inspired me to watch myself more so I'm not a hypocrite.

 

[Iteru]

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Stick on topic please. Patching things up can be kept to VMs.

 

[Shinneth]

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Given how expertly done Paul was, I naturally had to lower my expectations for the new new rival especially after learning before BW aired that he was being compared to Paul by people who were involved with working on the show itself. I personally think they should have gone for a new type of rival entirely with little to no similarities to Paul whatsoever in order to stand out, but instead we ended up with a guy who is literally a saturated color-reverse palette swap of Paul in design, and the very weak first impression lead me to believe that they honestly weren't even going to try with Trip.

Like many characters, Trip is very poorly justified both in his actions and in concept. He's established to be a beginning trainer, so even though Ash is still "ten" in BW - since they decided not to make BW a reboot - you cannot deny that Ash has a ton of experience over Trip. At least with Paul and Gary, their routine squashing of Ash was believable because they were both equal to Ash in experience. I really do not believe the recent backstory exposition that revealed Alder as Trip's inspiration justifies his superiority to Ash.

There are actually a few things that - if they were properly explained - might make Trip a genuinely interesting character. While the camera thing is a legit quirk, there really isn't much to it. However, it's obvious that Trip has issues with Kanto and people from Kanto... but why is that? It just makes Trip out to be a xenophobe for no reason, and while he's supposed to be an antagonist for Ash, this really isn't something that aids his stance. I remember with Paul that, while he was generally a guy you were hoping Ash would put in his place, on the flipside Paul's philosophy was easy to grasp and it made him easier to relate to/understand, so that he became more than just a two-dimensional antagonist. Since Trip obviously isn't the kind of jerk Paul was, it's weird that they don't try to make Trip's weird opinions easier for the audience to grasp.

Another thing that I'd like the series to address - but I suspect it won't - is the fact that Trip is really taking on a lot of Pokemon for a newbie. Realistically by this show's standards, it would be immensely difficult for a beginning trainer to tame all of these Pokemon Trip's captured (since it's confirmed he caught at least six by the tenth episode and now he's been shown to be trying to catch even more). Sure, Ash is doing pretty much the same thing, but Ash isn't even remotely a beginner trainer anymore. While I don't support the whole Ash-rotating-his-team thing, it's at least believable for someone on his level to do. Paul rotated his team a lot in DP as well. But Trip's brand new at this; realistically he shouldn't be able to easily tame more than six Pokemon, perfect strategies for each one, and what-have-you in such a short period of time. Obviously the only reason Trip's been able to beat Ash at all this series is because he's got an all-new team, but the more experienced Ash becomes, the quicker he ought to be able to make his team into capable battlers. I'd like a subplot with Trip where it becomes obvious that he's trying to take on too much all at once and somewhere down the road it'll all blow up in his face somehow. But again, since BW doesn't like justifying character quirks most of the time, I suspect they won't do a thing with this, which is a shame. I think that would be very beneficial for Trip.

As it stands, I still don't find Trip to be all that interesting. He had a weak introduction, his rivalry with Ash is just sorta "there"; he hasn't really done anything to spark Ash's drive to train harder and harder like Gary and Paul often did. And this isn't just for the sake of comparing Trip to past rivals; for this show, this ought to be the basic bare minimum of what any rival in this show ought to have. Really, he barely feels like a "main rival" at all; Bianca's currently a much more notable rival than he is. I'm sure some users would find Cabernet to be more interesting than Trip as well.

All in all, the flashback with Alder was a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't justify Trip's hax or any of his other quirks, so until the writers actually put some... I dunno... effort into Trip's development/character, I'm not going to find much reason to care about him and the rivalry... if you can call it that presently, will just be very weakly founded just as Trip's character is.

 

[CommanderPigg]

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If you mix Shinneth's post with this:

I don't think their rivalry is any good perse, (the fact that they're STILL USING IRIS to instigate conflict = probably reeaaally bad) and Shuuti bored me to tears in the beginning, but his kuudere tendencies made me warm up to him much more. I wish the anime would play up the kuudere and the actual rivalry between Satoshi and Shuuti, and downplay "OMZGLKJDS LET'S BATTLE EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE YOU BECAUSE THAT'S BASIC." The interaction between them in the Fushide episode was actually interesting...

You pretty much have my views on him.

I don't hate him as a character; in fact, I saw a lot of potential when his introduction came up. The "prodigal newbie" isn't exactly a character type I enjoyed that much, but I was willing to accept him for the sake of diversity...and the fact that he was a rival and I expected it to become a big part of BW.

I don't know if he's irredeemable at the point considering how much time they've wasted, but a part of me still want to see some development.

I'll make a simplified list of his bad/good points:

Bad:
-Strength is largely unjustified.
-Xenophobic for no reason.
-Limited interaction/concern with Ash
-Generic backstory, from what we know.
-Battles are rushed/one sided for the most part.
-Quirks are not exploited.

Good:
+Could be interesting if we were given more insight on his training methods/other past stories.
+Character design, from the neck up (and he was freaking cute in the flashback, admit it)
+Intersting pokemon.
+Seems to be slowly thawing out with the help of Iris and Ash.
+Is kinda obsessive and pushy, in a humorous way
+Likes to take stalkerish photos

Neutral:
-Is some sort of self-studying, know-it all
-Looks like a hipster

So...yeah. I've said this before: I want to like Shooti. But, whatever happens, happens you know?