Do you think Ash/Satoshi is a flat character?

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Self-explanatory. Lately I been pondering about Ash's character after recent episodes and I decided to ask the forum about it. Do you think he's a flat character?

BTW Don't let your bias about him effect your response.
 
Relative to other characters on the show, not really.

In general, however, yes. But I don't let it bother me.
 
Ash lacks the personality that he had in the older days. The same sparking kiddish personality that he had in the original series. You can say that he matured, especially in the dub.
 
Ash had a different personality in the Kanto/Orange days than now, where he was much funnier.

In Johto he felt like an odd mix of what he was in Kanto/Orange and what he'd become in the later seasons.

In Hoenn Ash felt like he matured as a character, he was no longer acting like a little kid and acting like an experienced trainer to May and Max.

In Sinnoh, its more or less the same thing, except now it feels stale because its like a slightly dragged on version of what he was in Hoenn.
 
What Sleet said - he is a relatively not-flat character. Of course he's not fully fleshed out, I mean, this is Pokemon, a kodomo anime that has a wide random following, and a very, very narrow dedicated fanbase. Let's face it - he hardly needs to be much more indepth for the purposes of the show.

However he is sweet, funny and watchable enough to be one of my favourite characters :-D
 
Now he is, yeah.

I friggin' loved Ash in the older seasons. He was hilarious and adorable and had a lot of personality quirks that I just don't see in him anymore.

Ash seems a lot different now, though. I feel like he's a totally different character. And not in a good way. :/
 
I watched the entire first season, thought ash was sort of dumb (as in his intelligence, not being a dumb desinged character or anything) but I like that. He wasn't the smartest, bestest, maturest dude around, he had a bunch of little quirky things that made him interesting, and it worked well with brock and mistys characters as well. In the orange islands arc, I watched all those and he seemed mostly the same, then I watched half of johto arc and he was. . .different. I saw a few of the newest episodes and I was like "Does Ash act like that all the time or am I just watching a wierd episode?"
First series Ash was the best, he does seem kinda flat now.
 
He has changed personality from immature to mature ways. His change of personality affects his captured Pokemon's personality.

But still, this question must be placed under Ash Club, due to related question about Ash. I'm sure that PokemonTrainerLisa and Ashfangirl, will reply about it seriously.
 
He is somewhat "flat" as a character, but that just means that the character itself isn't going to take any sort of development that the writers might come to regret later.

Is it nessacarily a bad thing to have a flat character in the first place?
 
Boron said:
Ash lacks the personality that he had in the older days. The same sparking kiddish personality that he had in the original series. You can say that he matured, especially in the dub.
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That's very true. And I miss Ash's old personality. He was so cute and funny back then.

Now, not so much.... =/

Insana Dana said:
Ash seems a lot different now, though. I feel like he's a totally different character. And not in a good way. :/
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I completely agree!

He's a different character now, and I don't like it. It makes me sad to know that the Ash in D/P is not the same Ash I remember from the old days... :-(
 
ii kanji said:
What Sleet said - he is a relatively not-flat character. Of course he's not fully fleshed out, I mean, this is Pokemon, a kodomo anime that has a wide random following, and a very, very narrow dedicated fanbase. Let's face it - he hardly needs to be much more indepth for the purposes of the show.

However he is sweet, funny and watchable enough to be one of my favourite characters :-D
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SHONEN! (sorry, I juust feel wierd accepting it as not 10+) I remand a time skip. Ash at 15-16, and more heroic and less idiotic, or at least remembers that normal DNW on ghost-types.
 
Well, he might not be the same Ash back in Kanto with the so many lovable traits, he is still Ash but more matured. If there is something that could bring out those old traits, I think it would show because even if you mature and become different, there are still many parts of you that are the same.
 
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I'm going to be the most relaxed fisherman in the whole world
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His goals are rather strange. Outside of that, he is generic. He jsut keeps getting drawn into this ancient power struggles.
 
I think the best way for the writers to incorporate Ash's more matureness is to increase his win-record.
it seems illogical that he would be more stable/experienced/knowledged but still have so many losses against various gym leaders (some more than once), to Paul....ugh, and he needs to win a league by now.
 
Definitely. No matter how much development he makes as a trainer, he always seems to go back to being a complete n00b when he moves onto a new region. That, and the fact that he seems to have simply not aged at all since the show started.
 
Yes. Ash used to be rounder and would show some other emotion besides happiness or determination, but now he's pretty much the same in every situation.
 
yeah
an example would be, after he loses....
yes, it is good sportsmanship to be calm and happy for your opponent. but then its also not good to show absolutely no self-dissapointment. worse, he needs to learn from his mistakes more so than he does at the moment. but overall, i think his emotioneless attitude when he lose (other than to Paul) is a bit flat lol
 
impactkhtennis_thewind said:
I think the best way for the writers to incorporate Ash's more matureness is to increase his win-record.
it seems illogical that he would be more stable/experienced/knowledged but still have so many losses against various gym leaders (some more than once), to Paul....ugh, and he needs to win a league by now.
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Well if I remember correctly but didn't Paul already participated in some or most of the other leagues?
 
Well i wouldnt call him flat,but i feel there should be added more depth to his character.Than again it isnt to expect much of development in kids show(characters dont change much in this anime).And while i dont find him as interesting like other characters who had some development,he still has its qualities.

I like how he acts nowdays less immature,not having so reckless approach toward pokemon battles actually using some strategy.He can be funny and clueless sometimes too,so you could say that despite his imperfections i dont have big objections toward him.
 
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