Do you think every region from now on will be 200 episodes?

[Cybersai]

One thing Sinnoh did that no other saga has is it was literally stretched across 4 years being about 200 episodes long. DP started in 2006 and will most likely end sometime in late 2010.

I think the writers abandoned filler arcs for two reasons:

- They don't want to make up an anime-only league again like Orange Islands

- Kanto was the only region special enough to re-visit for a second saga. Johto wasn't revisited as it didn't have the same importance, and if R/S are remade next gen Hoenn won't be revisited either.


So since the writers have abandoned filler arcs, and since the gap between each gen will likely always be about 4 or so years now, I guess every saga now will be around 200 episodes long.

Do you think this is what the future holds for the anime? Do you think the 5th gen will be similar in structure, stretched across 200 eps with no second arc like Kanto and Hoenn had?

 

[Kayde]

Frankly, I HOPE that there is a second mini-arc in the Gen 5 anime.

Sinnoh has been done to death. I'm so sick of it. The 200-ep stretch has just worn down everything that was good about it. (IMO.) I watched 'Sticking with you know Who' last night and was bored absolutely to death. If Gen 5 is this long, it NEEDS something to break up the monotony.

That being said. As much as I would hate it, I can definitely see Gen 5 being disgustingly long with no mini-arc. There's so much more to the games now that there used to be, so naturally the anime will be much longer too.

Sadly, Johto did not get the return-arc that many people hoped for. The actual Johto Journey are generally considered the worst of the show's run, so a revisit would have been really good. I am dissapoint.

RSE were my absolute favourite games, so I would hope for remakes. But a revisit to Hoenn in the anime? Most likely not, because Hoenn's original run in the Advance Generation was the first really long, fleshed-out season. Though I could see May making a cameo or two.

ALL OF THESE ARE MY OPINIONS. Lol. They're most likely wrong anyway, so you just wasted your time reading my post.

 

[Cybersai]

I agree that the length of a region does wear-down patience while watching it, but the beauty of it is you can skip the filler eps if you want and only watch the important and/or best eps of the saga.

If the 5th gen is similar to DP, that's what I'm probably going to do next gen.

 

[Kayde]

I agree that the length of a region does wear-down patience while watching it, but the beauty of it is you can skip the filler eps if you want and only watch the important and/or best eps of the saga.

If the 5th gen is similar to DP, that's what I'm probably going to do next gen.

Lol, that's pretty much what I've been doing. I watched the Lyra eps, but don't plan to watch anything else until Togekiss or SunyShore Gym. Before Lyra, I think the last thing I watched was Snowpoint Gym. I mostly keep up by reading the reviews you guys post here.

 

[MarshiyanMisutaa]

Probably between 150 and 200...

 

[KibaLG8]

Lol, that's pretty much what I've been doing. I watched the Lyra eps, but don't plan to watch anything else until Togekiss or SunyShore Gym. Before Lyra, I think the last thing I watched was Snowpoint Gym. I mostly keep up by reading the reviews you guys post here.

So you are only watching Ash's gym battles? No evolutions, captures, releases, move-learning episodes and Dawn's contest??? That's strange.

 

[Force Fire]

By late 2010, few GEN V pokémon will be released but wait, the games hasn't been released yet! FILLER SAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Piplup]

If gen 5 would get released in late 2011 for the 3DS they'd make a Johto saga - there's no doubt about this... no, Kanto was never and never will be "special"... if they really thought Kanto is so special, they'd actually show us things from the original Kanto but we barely saw anything related to the "old Kanto"

But gen 5 is released soon enough, which means there's no reason to do another saga
It all depends on when gen 6 will get released - if gen 5 will last 4 years, they won't need another saga and just do what DP did
If gen 5 will last longer than 4 years, they'll HAVE to do another saga for the wait between gens... I doubt they'd stretch it over 5 years

You know what I really find interesting? The fact the 3DS will give us real 3D without glasses
If the near future consoles are going to do this, I'm sure they'll find a way to do the same with movies too and eventually, maybe it'll take years but eventually - this might come to TV too... I wonder if real 3D without glasses will become a standard for TV shows in a few years from now... and in this case, I wonder how the Pokémon anime would be...
Yes, that's pretty much off topic but you did talk about the next gens in the anime and I couldn't not think about the possibility they'll be in 3D

 

[Shinx3000]

I agree that the length of a region does wear-down patience while watching it, but the beauty of it is you can skip the filler eps if you want and only watch the important and/or best eps of the saga.

Well I heard from some that they were fed up that DP Saga was lasting so long, now that things are going as they are, do people still feel the same way now?

Nots not so much the length of a previous Saga that determins the length of the show, its how long the gen lasts in terms of how long it takes for all the games of the gen to come out before the first games of the gen after.

I was hoping for a filler arc this gen (like chronicles before), but with everytrhing that happened, it was too late for that.

Also Scott, you think you have it hard with the length of the saga? Try living in the UK and waiting forever for new episodes when the US may have had already 30-40 new ones before us, then its getting harder now, just hope this is sorted before the first Gen V episodes or we will stil be watching new (to UK) dub episodes before seeing the new Gen V episodes and this will mess everything up.

 

[PlatinumDude]

By late 2010, few GEN V pokémon will be released but wait, the games hasn't been released yet! FILLER SAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I couldn't agree more.

Regarding the topic, I can see another Battle Frontier saga just before Gen V starts.

 

[Izumoshep]

I think it would be a good target to aim for, but it doesn't need to be an exact.

 

[Amewsment]

Sounds entirely plausible really, but I would not be surprised if they completely break the formula at some point. Breaking patterns would not be a unsurprising considering the history of the series.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

*Clears his throat*

1-It depends how long will be the gap between remakes and new gen games. Firered and Leafgreen had a two year gap between their releases and release of next gen. More than enough to make a filler saga. HG/SS seems to going to have one year gap between it and next gen, not that much enough to make a filler saga.
2-It depends on writers really.

By late 2010, few GEN V pokémon will be released but wait, the games hasn't been released yet! FILLER SAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's see if they are going to delay games for new console or not.

 

[Piplup]

Battle Frontier saga just before Gen V starts.

How exactly can that happen if gen 5 games are confirmed to be released by the end of 2010 ? (very likely September or at best November)
April will have Bertha/Togekiss special, a break, Togekiss ep, Ditto ep and Pip/Cynda ep
May-June (8 eps): GF (4-5 eps), "filler" (1 ep) Sunyshore Gym (2 eps)
July (3-4 eps since I think we always get one break in July): "fillers" before the League (1-2 eps) and then start League (1-2 eps)
August (4 eps): League
September (5 eps): League (2-3 es), end of DP (1-2 eps), first ep of gen 5

How exactly can a whole BF saga get into this?
In the good case that gen 5 is in November instead of September, we'll get about 5-7 eps for Elite Four

I really can't see how some people still think we'll get a BF saga... seriously, WTF?... it's pretty obvious it'll go more or less as I wrote it

 

[Cybersai]

I really can't see how some people still think we'll get a BF saga... seriously, WTF?... it's pretty obvious it'll go more or less as I wrote it

Because some people don't think ahead. There are only 4 new eps of Pokemon every month most of the time, and we still have the Grand Festival, 8th Gym, and league to go.

That will take us to September, and if there's time for anything left, most likely it'll be about the Sinnoh E4 and then the goodbye eps.

 

[Kayde]

So you are only watching Ash's gym battles? No evolutions, captures, releases, move-learning episodes and Dawn's contest??? That's strange.

Yes, I'm only watching Gym battles.

I don't care about Evolutions. Like...at all. The only evolution I watched was Chimchar -> Monferno. When I notice things like Staraptor and Grotle knocking about, I just dont care.

Releases bore me. I don't care that it's leaving. It's not important to me.

Move-learning eps? Really? I see them as complete filler. I don't WANT to watch Grotle fail at Energy Ball for three whole episodes. What the hell.

Fuck Dawn. She's the worst thing to happen to the show ever. If anything, she's the biggest part of the reason why I barely followed this saga. I don't give a crap about contests. They've always been boring and pointless to me. *Is hoping for new side-quest next Gen*

I enjoy the Gym Battles, Lyra's eps were pretty cool, I'll watch the ones with E4 members, I watched Gary's few appearences...It has to actually be entertaining for me to watch it.

 

[Shinx3000]

By late 2010, few GEN V pokémon will be released but wait, the games hasn't been released yet! FILLER SAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By late 2010 the games will most likley be released, making what you said null and viod.

Regarding the topic, I can see another Battle Frontier saga just before Gen V starts.

If the games are slated to come out this year (suspecting around Septmeber when games are uaually released), is there time for a Battle Frontier saga? The last one took about a year to do, I really doubt there is time

HG/SS seems to going to have one year gap between it and next gen, not that much enough to make a filler saga.

Yeah, plus they wouldn't show off Pokemon "Z" in movie if the games were not going to appear a few months later or there abouts, and besides they won't delay for the new comsole as the 3DS can play DS games as is, and these games are for DS if I'm not mistaken. By March-April 2011 is when we will be getting the games.#

All in all I think they will only have time to finish this saga (maybe do E4 as well) before Gen V starts.

 

[Hidden Mew]

One thing Sinnoh did that no other saga has is it was literally stretched across 4 years being about 200 episodes long. DP started in 2006 and will most likely end sometime in late 2010.

I think the writers abandoned filler arcs for two reasons:

- They don't want to make up an anime-only league again like Orange Islands

- Kanto was the only region special enough to re-visit for a second saga. Johto wasn't revisited as it didn't have the same importance, and if R/S are remade next gen Hoenn won't be revisited either.


So since the writers have abandoned filler arcs, and since the gap between each gen will likely always be about 4 or so years now, I guess every saga now will be around 200 episodes long.

Do you think this is what the future holds for the anime? Do you think the 5th gen will be similar in structure, stretched across 200 eps with no second arc like Kanto and Hoenn had?

No offense, but I think that it's kind of premature to say that the writers have abandoned filler arcs. Just because they were able to stretch out Sinnoh doesn't necessarily mean that they won't include a filler arc at some point in the future of the series. Ash went through two regions before going through a filler arc. To me, this is similar to saying that Contests won't be in the fifth generation games since they weren't in HeartGold and SoulSilver. It just feels like a large assumption based off of one situation.

I also don't really agree that Kanto was special enough for the characters to re-visit. If that was the case, we would have had a lot more flashbacks to the original Kanto saga than we honestly did. Besides, Ash going through Kanto again had nothing to do with the fact that it was his home region. That was never a factor in his decision to challenge the Battle Frontier. He just wanted the challenge. Plus, I think that the writers wanted to use the Battle Frontier from Emerald and putting it in Kanto was the best was to promote Emerald and FR/LG. Though, I agree that they probably won't have another anime-only region since they've been more focused on following the storyline from the games since Johto.

As others have mentioned, it all comes down to when the games are released and what the writers want to do. The pacing for AG gave them a decent amount of time to have a filler saga. While they could have done the same thing for DP, the writers obviously didn't want to go that route. Since I'm sure that they have at least some idea of when the games come out, maybe they didn't think that they would have enough time to cover all that they wanted with DP and then have a filler arc. Though, the different timing for the release of HG/SS compared to FR/LG is most likely a big factor too.

I would have liked to see a trip through Johto again, especially since it could have given Ash's Johto Pokemon more time to shine and Dawn could have developed her skills as a coordinator some more. Though, it isn't like they ignored Johto at all and as long as Ash's Johto Pokemon have some good amount of screentime, I'll be content with that.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing filler arcs every once in awhile. It might not work for every generation, but it would provide a nice change of pace instead of staying in the same region for so long. I wouldn't be heartbroken if they didn't do a filler arc at the end of every generation, but I wouldn't mind it if it happened either.

 

[Cybersai]

Well I suppose the 5th gen or beyond could have another filler arc.

I'm just guessing that Sinnoh was stretched out for a reason, whether this was a good or bad thing depends on the person.

DP was stretched out to the point of absurdity, but there were some good things in this saga that makes it forgiveable.

 

[Piplup]

DP was stretched out to the point of absurdity

I disagree - I think that's the length each new gen region should be... it's partly thanks to this saga being so long that we were able to get all the awesome stuff we got
I say each new gen region should be 4 years (about 200 eps) and then if there's still some time until next gen, they should do another short saga (either revisit region of the remake, make up something like Orange, etc)
This time the 4 years already took us this whole gen so there's no reason for a short saga, but who knows how it'll be in next gen... it could go on for 5 years which in my opinion would force them to do a short saga