Do you think Iris' Excadrill is the strongest Pokemon any of Ash's friends had?

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Does it seem to anyone else that Excadrill is the strongest Pokemon one of Ash's friends ever had?

None of Misty's Pokemon were strong like Excadrill, and Brock's strongest was probably Steelix but even then. Dawn's Mamoswine or May's Blaziken seem strong but never truly got as much screentime as they deserved.

So does Iris currently have the strongest Pokemon of any main character aside from Ash?
 
No? I don't see why it would be. Misty's Gyrados, and May's Blaziken are pretty strong. It might seem really strong because of how early she has access to it in the series.
 
It's difficult to say, when it comes to Ash's friends their Pokemon tend to be as strong as the plot needs them to be.
 
I don't really think it is. I'd say Misty and May both have Pokemon that could wipe the floor with it. Maybe Dawn's Mamoswine, too.
 
I'd say it's the only companion pokemon billed as being this powerful before. Whether or not others were just as powerful is up for debate, but there is no proof in any case.
 
Nope, do I think its the strongest of the BW gang's Pokemon? Possibly...

No way that Pansage and Dwebble (even after Shell Smash because all of its other moves would be "not very effective") could compete with it and let's not even go with Stunfish...

Excadrill's speed and attack power put it over the top more than likely being able to beat Snivy, Miju, Palpitoad and Tepig the only other Pokemon that are types which are effective against it. Pikachu is beat so yeah Excadrill probably has the top spot, for the moment...

But back to the question at hand; Misty's Gyrados, May's Venusaur/Blaziken/Blastoise (hey you never know she could have fully evolved Wartortle by now), Dawn's Mamoswine/Togekiss (being a Flying type and knowing Aura Sphere could give it an upper hand).

All of these Pokemon could stand a shot at beating the drill Pokemon. Funny but I don't think any of Brock's team could handle it, unless Chansey has more power than Happiny does and can stop Drill Run with just one hand lol
 
Not really. Just because Doryuuzu's attacks like Drill Liner look powerful doesn't mean that it is.
 
Callisto said:
I don't really think it is. I'd say Misty and May both have Pokemon that could wipe the floor with it. Maybe Dawn's Mamoswine, too.
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What Pokemon of Misty's ever had any battles as fierce as Excadrill did?

Are you honestly trying to claim Pokemon like Goldeen, Horsea, Luvdisc, Staryu, Togepi, etc. could take down Excadrill? I mean not counting Psyduck here, the only one of hers that would be a match for it is Gyarados, and even then its not a sure-fire thing.
 
It's difficult to say, Scott. It really, really is.

Excadrill has had his share of losses against numerous opponents; it lost against Langley's Beartic in the present and against Drayden's Haxorus in the past. Excadrill is not invincible, per say. It may be more powerful than the majority of the pokemon the main characters in BW have on them right now just because it is in its final evolved form, but comparing Excadrill against the likes of Brock's Steelix or May's Venusaur (which have evolved and gained strength since their debuts) is unthinkable. It's impossible to compare Excadrill, which is currently receiving focus, against those pokemon that belonged to past main characters that merely received cameo battles after they evolved.

It's a cakewalk if we are merely comparing Excadrill to pokemon like Brock's Chansey or Misty's Horsea that have very rarely, if ever, pitted in battle on-screen. However, the purpose of this thread is to judge Excadrill's strength with the strength of every single pokemon that all of Ash's past and present companions ever "had." Again, this includes pokemon like Brock's Steelix and the majority of May's pokemon that have been explicitly shown to either evolve or gain incredible strength in their latest debuts. These pokemon either battled once for a brief period of time or never at all on-screen so it is nearly impossible to evaluate their strength.

Excadrill may be receiving a lot of attention lately because of his 99-victory streak prior to his inevitable loss against Drayden's Haxorus, as well as his most recent victory over Ash's Pikachu in the Don Battle. There is no denying that Excadrill is a powerful pokemon in its own right, but it is impossible to claim that this particular pokemon on its own is more adept in battle than any of the pokemon that the other main characters have been shown to raise. Can we say that Misty's pokemon haven't evolved or improved in strength since they were last seen on-screen? Can we say the same thing about Brock's pokemon that have been left in the care of his younger brother in the Pewter Gym? No, we cannot with the information that was presented to us.

So no, I do not think that Excadrill is the strongest pokemon that any of the main protagonists (other than Ash) have raised. There are too many unknown factors and variables to consider if we even begin to lay out such a statement.
 
Ampharos King said:
It's difficult to say, Scott. It really, really is.

Excadrill has had his share of losses against numerous opponents; it lost against Langley's Beartic in the present and against Drayden's Haxorus in the past. Excadrill is not invincible, per say. It may be more powerful than the majority of the pokemon the main characters in BW have on them right now just because it is in its final evolved form, but comparing Excadrill against the likes of Brock's Steelix or May's Venusaur (which have evolved and gained strength since their debuts) is unthinkable. It's impossible to compare Excadrill, which is currently receiving focus, against those pokemon that belonged to past main characters that merely received cameo battles after they evolved.

It's a cakewalk if we are merely comparing Excadrill to pokemon like Brock's Chansey or Misty's Horsea that have very rarely, if ever, pitted in battle on-screen. However, the purpose of this thread is to judge Excadrill's strength with the strength of every single pokemon that all of Ash's past and present companions ever "had." Again, this includes pokemon like Brock's Steelix and the majority of May's pokemon that have been explicitly shown to either evolve or gain incredible strength in their latest debuts. These pokemon either battled once for a brief period of time or never at all on-screen so it is nearly impossible to evaluate their strength.

Excadrill may be receiving a lot of attention lately because of his 99-victory streak prior to his inevitable loss against Drayden's Haxorus, as well as his most recent victory over Ash's Pikachu in the Don Battle. There is no denying that Excadrill is a powerful pokemon in its own right, but it is impossible to claim that this particular pokemon on its own is more adept in battle than any of the pokemon that the other main characters have been shown to raise. Can we say that Misty's pokemon haven't evolved or improved in strength since they were last seen on-screen? Can we say the same thing about Brock's pokemon that have been left in the care of his younger brother in the Pewter Gym? No, we cannot with the information that was presented to us.

So no, I do not think that Excadrill is the strongest pokemon that any of the main protagonists (other than Ash) have raised. There are too many unknown factors and variables to consider if we even begin to lay out such a statement.
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I see where you're coming from like Misty could have a Seadra/Kingdra, Seaking, Golduck and hey she may have other new Pokemon we don't know about. Forrest is raising Brock's team very well he could have a Swampert!

Anyway, Venasaur and Steelix, yeah they have been seen in brief battles but I mean it wouldn't be unusal if they did take it down.

Excadrill or should I say Drilbur's 99 win streak could be a mirror of A.J.'s Sandshrew from Kanto and they made it to win 100 thanks to TR lol

Hmmm...yeah due to being a fully evolved Pokemon in the BW gang's team it does have not only the power that comes from evolution but the experience from past battles before it gave up listening to Iris.

It is really hard to say but hopefully as the series progresses we can get a better idea of how it would fair against other Pokemon from the main characters team.
 
Paulisthebest said:
I see where you're coming from like Misty could have a Seadra/Kingdra, Seaking, Golduck and hey she may have other new Pokemon we don't know about. Forrest is raising Brock's team very well he could have a Swampert!
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But again, we can't speculate stuff like that because its essentially fanfiction. We have to compare Excadrill to the main characters last known teams.

With Brock its hard to say because most of his pokemon never battled all that much. Croagunk was pretty good but I don't think its on Excadrill's level.
 
Ignoring Ash's Pokemon....May's Blaziken, Venasaur, and Misty's Gyrados could likely beat it. I really doubt it will be perceived as powerful as it is after Ash's beat's Clay's Excadrill.

I still find it strange that they gave someone aiming to be a Dragon Master, a completely different type than their desired goal as their starter. That's kinda like Misty wanting to be a water pokemon expert, and her main Pokemon turning out to be an Alakazam. What.
 
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Gliscor'd said:
But again, we can't speculate stuff like that because its essentially fanfiction. We have to compare Excadrill to the main characters last known teams.

With Brock its hard to say because most of his pokemon never battled all that much. Croagunk was pretty good but I don't think its on Excadrill's level.
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Yeah the "fanfiction" aside because most of Brock's Pokemon are being raised by his brother but since Brock is at home for now he could be raising them himself.

Anyway, Croagunk...well like Pikachu half of Excadrill's moves are super effective against it but at least Brick Break would be super effective on it. Though I don't think it has the speed and endurance to handle Excadrill long enough to pull out a win. It took a single Leaf Storm from Paul's Torterra and it was knocked out in the tag battle tournament.

Though to be fair, he was on its tree when Torterra launched the attack so Croagunk took the FULL power of a Leaf Storm head on.

Misty's Psyduck, well I don't think that Excadrill would land any moves to give it at headache, unless Metal Claw hits it on the head and then all "head" breaks loose and it is beaten by Psychic attacks.

Gyrados is unaffected by 2 of its moves, Focus Blast isn't very effective and neither is Metal Claw. Not to mention it knows Flamethrower and Hydro Pump which are super effective.

If Sudowoodo could land a Hammer Arm or 2 I think it could stand a chance since it has high Defense (possibly higher than Excadrill) and Attack power.

Marshtomp if it knew Muddy Water that could prove interesting by turning a dirt field into a muddy terrain since Marshtomp is said to move better in the mud than water which is the opposite of Excadrill moving better through solid land than liquid terrain.
 
Masurao said:
I still find it strange that they gave someone aiming to be a Dragon Master, a completely different type than their desired goal as their starter. That's kinda like Misty wanting to be a water pokemon expert, and her main Pokemon turning out to be an Alakazam. What.
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You do know that being a Dragon Master =/= being a Water Pokémon Master. Unlike Misty, Iris doesn't have to catch more dragons.
 
That's not what we're discussing here, guys. On topic please.

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I don't think Excadrill is the strongest of all Ash's friends' Pokémon, but I do think it's the strongest this early in a series. By this time in OS, Brock had Onix, Geodude, Zubat, and Vulpix, and Misty had Goldeen, Staryu, Starmie, Horsea, and Psyduck; by this time in AG, Brock had Forretress, Lotad, and Mudkip, and May had Torchic and Beautifly; by this time in DP, Brock had Sudowoodo, Croagunk, and Happiny, and Dawn had Piplup, Buneary, Pachirisu, and Buizel; in BW, Cilan has Pansage, Dwebble, and Stunfisk, and Iris has Axew, Excadrill, and Emolga.

None of the Pokémon listed here have been portrayed to be stronger than Excadrill, but this is only taking into account those from the first 42 episodes of each series. I'd say May's Blaziken has been shown to be just as strong if not stronger by the end of the AG series.
 
At this point it would be unfair to label Excadril as strongest out of all pokemon Ash traveling companions had.While it was showed to be pretty strong,to be fair May Blaziken showed high level of skill growing in formidable and respectable force.Being fire type also gives him upper hand in this match and sh also has another powerhouse in form of Venusaur being safe to say that this pokemon is one of her strongest ones.

And we cant forget that Misty has Gyarados which is real powerhouse having big resistance and strength with his water and fire attacks representing big problem for ground/steel typo of pokemon like Excadrill is.Staryu,Politoad or Corsola shouldnt be underestimated too.

Even Dawn Mamoswine is if not stronger at last on pair at this moment with Iris mole showing how much he can take with his attacks not being joke either.

Speaking of Brock,out of all his pokmon Stelix is probably his strongest and w already saw how strong he is.Croagunk,Ludicolo and Sudowoodo are viable alternatives too.

Not to mention we dont know how how much pokemon teams from Ash traveling companions improved in meantime being logical to presume how they are stronger than last time we saw them considering how Misty and May pokemon showed signs if improvement when they returned for cameos.

If we are talking about Misty,May,Brock or Dawn early teams in first 40 to 50 episodes than Iris Excadrill is without doubt the strongest one,but at this point after several evolutions,ton of experience and improvement their pokemon received basing on what we saw so far its safe to say they have pokemon which are currently stronger than mole.

Gliscor'd said:
What Pokemon of Misty's ever had any battles as fierce as Excadrill did?
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Ones which had most fierce battlks would be Corsola and Poliwhirl line.Also Gyarados had pretty fierce battle against three Tentacruel and when battling legendary birds in Mastermind spcial.

Are you honestly trying to claim Pokemon like Goldeen, Horsea, Luvdisc, Staryu, Togepi, etc. could take down Excadrill? I mean not counting Psyduck here, the only one of hers that would be a match for it is Gyarados, and even then its not a sure-fire thing.
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It seems you are under impression how un-evolved pokemon cant beat fully evolved one which goes against one of basic concepts this show has been teaching us for years showing how pokemon doesnt need to evolve to become very strong.Some of Ash and other character strongest pokemon are un-evolved being known for their high strength.
Like saying goes "strength often comes in small packages".

All of Misty pokemon are water types which would be rather a bad matchup for Excadrill so im pretty sure he would have hard time with any of them,Needless to say we dont know i any of them evolved or improved in meantime of screen and whats more important some of them already showed to be respectable opponents.
 
Well let us compare the characters pokemon, first let's do Misty compared to Excadrill:

1. Goldeen. Can't battle out of water, would never be able to beat Excadrill
2. Luvdisc. Again, no.
3. Horsea. Once again can't battle outside water, never had any battles in the show to begin with.
4. Togepi. When she had it, couldn't battle, I'm not counting Togetic as its released.
5. Azurill. Just another baby pokemon filler for Togepi.
6. Staryu. Would put up a somewhat decent fight, but not strong enough.
7. Starmie. Can't say much about it, at times it felt like it was no stronger than Staryu. Never used any psychic attacks either.
8. Politoed. Probably put up the best fight of the others, but its never had any real powerhouse battles in its last stage.
9. Corsola. Same as Politoed, it would probably do about average against it.
10. Psyduck. Unless it gets its headache powers, no chance.
11. Gyarados. Probably the strongest one to battle it, I could see this going either way.


Goodness, out of the 11 pokemon Misty has had, most of them didn't even battle much to begin with. I'll do Brock next time, but looking at Misty's team as is, I'd say Excadrill is by far stronger than everything and maybe tied or above Gyarados.
 
Strongest at the start of the region for sure, at the end I can see Mamoswine, Piplup, Blaziken,etc being on par with it, it will be even stronger at the end by that logic.

Powerlevels don't really count, as they can make Scraggy beat Excadrill out of nowhere in 20 episodes.
 
Zoro said:
Powerlevels don't really count, as they can make Scraggy beat Excadrill out of nowhere in 20 episodes.
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They can, but it wouldn't be believeable. I'd rather a justified win rather than just seeing a weaker pokemon beat a stronger one.
 
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