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Do you think that Nickelodeon is making episodes and shows for money?

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Yep. With shows like iCarly, Spongebob Squarepants, Bucket and Skinner, and stuff like that, it seems that Nick is making shows for cash rather than enjoyment. It seems that the only show left on Nickelodeon that is actually good is the Farily Odd Parents, other than that, it seems to be a clone of Disney Channel, with overused laugh tracks. Now, I know that TV was designed for money (or was it enjoyment and something to see), but this is ridiclous. Too much toilet humor, lots of movie-adapted series (Penguins of Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness) or shows that just downright have the laugh track too much (iCarly, VICTORiOUS), or shows that are just downright stupid (Spongebob Squarepants, some other show, maybe Mighty B). Do you agree, along with other channels?
 
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Oh, they're definitely making the shows more for money, but doesn't every channel make them for money? That's why they exist. That said, I think Nickelodeon is worse about it than, say, CartoonNetwork. At least CartoonNetwork has SOME good shows. Nickelodeon's programming straight up sucks minus Dragon Ball Z Kai. And that's not even what I consider one of "their" shows. iCarly and Big Time Rush and all those shows are garbage (just like most of Disney's current shows, oh snap!).
 
You know, Nickelodeon started off with corny sitcoms in its early days, so in other words, its live action shows has always been bad (few minor exceptions such as All That and Drake & Josh).
 
Nick is a network which runs ads, so of course they are.

Even if the quality is garbage, as long as people tune in, they make money off the ads/licensing.
 
Are there any commercial media networks that don't make shows for the purpose of profit?
 
Just be glad you're not living in the 80's, when this trope was everywhere and near impossible to hide from.

Some of you people who go to TV Tropes are probably familiar with a trope known as "Network Decay", in recent years, Nickelodeon has been affected with a special kind of network decay that I like to call "Disney Channels Disease", in which a network produces programs simply for money rather than for entertainment (or both), anymore, Viacom is simply copying off of another network, which, in this case, is Disney Channel. My parents often comment that Hannah Montana was the main cause of Disney Channels downfall, and in turn, Nickelodeons downfall as well

A lot can argue that of the big three networks (four if you count the Hub, which I will get to in a while), Cartoon Network is doing the best, as they are making programs that appeal to several interests rather than just simply one demographic like Nickelodeon and Disney Channel are, and when it comes to the programs on each channel themselves rather than the networks that air them, many can see that these types of programming on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel (but not Cartoon Network for obvious reasons) are apparently what network executives think that this is what kids want anymore, and it kind of makes me feel ashamed to have grown up in the early 2000s...

While the views of Cartoon Networks current programming are quite "polarizing" to say at most (you either love them or you hate them, with the exception of the near universally reviled "Problem Solverz", but that's another topic), there are some who are saying that the Hub is "the last good home of great programming" (though naturally, your mileage may vary with each individual program on the network), although many fear that the Hub could fall because of corporate meddling, but as far as we can see, the Hub is doing good so far, especially with the popularity of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic on the horizon supporting the network.

In general, television itself has had both good times and bad times, but if Nickelodeon and Disney Channel continue with their current trends, it could cause their downfall unless something is done that can stop them from ultimately dying out...
 
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Just be glad you're not living in the 80's, when this trope was everywhere and near impossible to hide from.

Some of you people who go to TV Tropes are probably familiar with a trope known as "Network Decay", in recent years, Nickelodeon has been affected with a special kind of network decay that I like to call "Disney Channels Disease", in which a network produces programs simply for money rather than for entertainment (or both), anymore, Viacom is simply copying off of another network, which, in this case, is Disney Channel. My parents often comment that Hannah Montana was the main cause of Disney Channels downfall, and in turn, Nickelodeons downfall as well

A lot can argue that of the big three networks (four if you count the Hub, which I will get to in a while), Cartoon Network is doing the best, as they are making programs that appeal to several interests rather than just simply one demographic like Nickelodeon and Disney Channel are, and when it comes to the programs on each channel themselves rather than the networks that air them, many can see that these types of programming on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel (but not Cartoon Network for obvious reasons) are apparently what network executives think that this is what kids want anymore, and it kind of makes me feel ashamed to have grown up in the early 2000s...

While the views of Cartoon Networks current programming are quite "polarizing" to say at most (you either love them or you hate them, with the exception of the near universally reviled "Problem Solverz", but that's another topic), there are some who are saying that the Hub is "the last good home of great programming" (though naturally, your mileage may vary with each individual program on the network), although many fear that the Hub could fall because of corporate meddling, but as far as we can see, the Hub is doing good so far, especially with the popularity of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic on the horizon supporting the network.

In general, television itself has had both good times and bad times, but if Nickelodeon and Disney Channel continue with their current trends, it could cause their downfall unless something is done that can stop them from ultimately dying out...
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Kind of like how on the 90s, many kids liked gross stuff, and came Ren & Stimpy. CN has lots of good shows, including Pokemon BW, and the Hub is popularized because of males watching MLP: FiM. Does everyone watch that show?
But, yeah, people nowadays think that kids only want to see teens get popular somehow (iCarly, Austin and Ally, Big Time Rush), and Nickelodeon makes unpopular shows that last for 2 and 3 seasons now (Fanboy and ChumChum, Tuff Puppy) instead of shows that last for a long time (Spongebob Squarepats, The Rugrats).
 
They definitely are... With shows like iCarly and... And all the other shows that are exactly the same as iCarly... They are all like clones of each other. With different people and different settings, but the same humor and personalities. And they aren't even funny.
 
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They definitely are... With shows like iCarly and... And all the other shows that are exactly the same as iCarly... They are all like clones of each other. With different people and different settings, but the same humor and personalities. And they aren't even funny.
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Isn't Disney Channel the exact same thing anymore...
 
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Isn't Disney Channel the exact same thing anymore...
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Yeah, they could at least play the old classic Disney movies. Back when Disney actually cared and when it had meaning. Like, I've seen them play only Alladin and Pochahontas. Which isn't bad, but they could play many others. Like The Lion King 1 and 2...! That movie is so awesome it needs to be played on there!

Sigh, Disney and Nickelodeon disappoint me. Though Nickelodeon was never any prize.
 
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Yeah, they could at least play the old classic Disney movies. Back when Disney actually cared and when it had meaning. Like, I've seen them play only Alladin and Pochahontas. Which isn't bad, but they could play many others. Like The Lion King 1 and 2...! That movie is so awesome it needs to be played on there!

Sigh, Disney and Nickelodeon disappoint me. Though Nickelodeon was never any prize.
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To me, almost neither network is watchable anymore asides from the occasional Phineas and Ferb rerun on Disney Channel, and of the three networks, Cartoon Network is probably the most watchable, and as I stated before, has the best status of the three, although only time will tell if Cartoon Network will rise or decline with it's current programming, if the rumors of the Annoying Orange series on Cartoon Network are true, then CN's future is not looking too bright, but in the brightest day and blackest night, there will be a ray of shining hope for each of the three networks in the future, but when exactly this ray will shine on the three is unknown...
 
They... hope enough people enjoy the shows in order for the network to make money off of their viewings of the shows...
 
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Yeah, they could at least play the old classic Disney movies. Back when Disney actually cared and when it had meaning. Like, I've seen them play only Alladin and Pochahontas. Which isn't bad, but they could play many others. Like The Lion King 1 and 2...! That movie is so awesome it needs to be played on there!
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Princess and the Frog, Epic Mickey, and Winnie the Pooh are examples that Disney still has their magic, it's today's audience is what keeps them from waggling it around.
 
The movies of Disney are still epic (Diffrence in Princess and the Frog, reminded me of what EarthBound did instead of the other RPGs did at the time), but the shows are not good. The occasinal Phineas and Ferb is good, but not the live-action shows. Because most of them were this example: Teen somehow gets famous, does crazy adventures! Like iCarly, Big Time Rush, Hannah Montana, Austin & Ally, and Victorious (Ok, a Hollywood arts school, but STILL). But I hate the way Disney advertized Austin & Ally. I mean, even on Bulbapedia! Every commercial break they had! Geez! Oh, and hopefully Cartoon Network doesn't follow this example, along with The Hub.
 
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They definitely are... With shows like iCarly and... And all the other shows that are exactly the same as iCarly... They are all like clones of each other. With different people and different settings, but the same humor and personalities. And they aren't even funny.
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Disney Channel is the same too. Every show is a clone of Hannah Montana. I had to watch it once at my grandmas house, as my cousins were into it and didn't get cable, so they were watching the shows........and uggh it got boring and unfunny.
 
To be honest, I think that most channels on TV do that. Episodes of something that annoy viewers, cause viewers to stop watching, or that just aren't satisfying don't matter to the creators as long as they make money from it. After a certain point, people stop trying to come up with original ideas for shows or stories, too - Spongebob, for example, used to be awesome, but has only been getting worse.
 
Of course they're making shows for money.That's just how the television industry works. Shows are just vehicles for commercials, regardless of the artistic intent. Shows can be good, they can be bad, but whether they get made is purely a matter of money.
 
TV programs themselves are ALL about money. Heck, we've seen loads of shows disappearing because of low view ratings. The only channel targeted at kids that don't mind much about money would probably be PBS - the educational channel.

Nickelodeon is no different. Yeah, it makes cartoons and those comedy shows like iCarly, Victorious, Big Time Rush, and The Troop.

Is there anything on Nickelodeon that's educational? Some might say Spongebob Squarepants shows us how underwater creatures live... and yes, I have to admit that the whole show was very well made. The director had majored in marine biology or so and it's no wonder he kept it cool as reality and apart from showing fire lightings being possible underwater, most of them are logical. But heck, there's nothing educational in it. What kind of kid would make notes on marine biology while watching Spongebob?

The same goes to those real-life comedy shows. I really can't stand iCarly cuz they're always yelling at each other for no reason almost 99% of the time. Victorious? That seemed okay at first, but showing a school for future artists - they failied in making unique people, and made students seem to have personality problems - especially Tori's sister and Jade. I only watched one episode of The Troop, and what's the point in dealing with aliens?

The only show I could at least watch the episodes fully were Big Time Rush, and even I stopped watching that mid-way. Well, yeah, I like music stuff and they're songs were just okay. Not overly brilliant, but okay - though they had been targeted negatively by many fans for copying Jonas from Disney. While I don't support them, I kinda like how the four guys were shown with different attitudes. Big Time Rush doesn't have educational purposes, though - especially with their PD yelling at them all the time and calling them 'dogs'.

So if the show isn't educational, why is it on air? Because kids watch it despite there being nothing to learn from. There aren't much depth in the stories and each of the episodes are pretty much like the other. The shows just for fun, and for fun to be popular, it's gotta be viewed a lot - which concludes the purpose of earning money.
 
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