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I think it's time we had one of these. There may not be many Whovians here, but I think the few who are here can sustain this club. We are somewhat passionate about the show. We'd have to be considering what we are watching.

Since I'm launching this club, I elect myself as Chancellor of Gallifrey. Fret not about my self-aggrandizement. Anyone following the show will know I died during the Time War. (Or did I?)

The standard club rules apply for what they're worth.

My hope is that this club won't be the standard fandom club where we say THE DOCTOR RULEZ! No, I hope this club will be someplace where we can discuss and argue things we've seen in the show.

So, in that spirit, let me throw up the most obvious question we Whovians have: What was the Time War? We know it was between the Time Lords and the Daleks. We know both species were supposedly eliminated. I say supposedly because we know some Daleks survived and the Face of Bo told the Doctor he wasn't alone. Opinions?
 
Oooo-eeee-ooooooooo.... OOOOO-wooo-oooo...

My bro and I spent much of our holiday harmonising the theme tune. ^_^

I always just assumed the Time War was... a standard war. Although obviously the mechanics would have been fascinating, given the nature of the Time Lords. But I suspect the show will never go too deeply into that aspect beyond "big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey... stuff".

I wonder who started it, though? I bet the Time Lords did, to facilitate Doctor Angst.
 
I dunno, I kinda doubt the Timelords would start a war at all. From what I recall of The War Games, wasn't the Doctor's #1 gripe about them their isolationism?

Granted, that could well have changed during the blank spaces between the original series, the movie, and the new series, and if it did that might make it easier for the Daleks to find a way to launch an assault on Gallifrey.
 
That's the frustrating thing about the Time War. It was something the writers just threw out there when the new series began. When I first heard about it, I did my Ash impression: whaaaa?

Whatever it was, it was big enough to draw in all of the Time Lords, including those with their own TARDIS's off on their own journeys. (I wonder if the Master was one of them?) Makes you wonder why the Doctor alone survived aside from the purely commercial interest.

Hell, even Captain Jack had heard of the Time War although he thought it was just a legend. That's when we learned the Doctor was on the front line.

The impression I get is that the Time War wiped out all Time Lords and Daleks from all time periods. Otherwise, you'd think, rules be damned, both sides would repopulate using people from earlier times.
 
You have to remember the series began in the 60s, but hasn't been continuously shown through the years. The first three actors have died.

Mostly, actors leave because they get bored by the role. Only one, Colin Baker, was fired as far as I know.

The genius of Doctor Who is that they can have the Doctor die, regenerate as all Time Lords do, and come back as a completely different person. That opens up new possibilities for the role and the show. And the Doctors have gone all over the spectrum. One popular and perennial theory is that he'll come back as a woman one day.

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I wonder who started it, though? I bet the Time Lords did, to facilitate Doctor Angst.
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Somehow, I think the Doctor set up the situation to start the war. Which is a considerable evolution from the Tom Baker Doctor who was content to trap the Daleks underground on Skaro for a thousand years.
 
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May I join? I've only started watching on the SciFi channel but I love this show.

One question: did the Time War (I have no idea what this is, sorry) wipe out Gallifrey?
 
Of course you can! Welcome Barb!

Don't worry. None of us know what the Time War was. I doubt the writers do. I think it was something they introduced in the new series to make the Doctor more mysterious and more dangerous. The only survivor of a war to save Creation. The last of his kind. In all prior shows and movies, there was no mention of a Time War.

What we do know is the Time War was between the Time Lords and the Daleks and both sides were exterminated to the last being, except for the Doctor and a few Daleks.

Is Gallifrey destroyed? That's the impression I got from the new series, particularly from the episode a few weeks ago when the Doctor and Martha were in New New York 5 billion years in the future. (A show about the ULTIMATE traffic jam.)

Somehow, in the back of my mind, based on watching Doctor Who since the John Pertwee years (3rd Doctor. The current one is the 10th.), I suspect the writers won't have any problem resurrecting Gallifrey and the Time Lords if the story requires it
 
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I got the impression that Gallifrey was destroyed when I watched an episode with the 9th doctor (Christopher Eccleston) and Rose, set several billion years into the future. They're watching the Earth be destroyed by the expanding sun. At one point, an alien who is partially made of wood ("a direct descendent of the rainforest" is how she describes herself) tells the Doctor how sorry she is; the context of their conversation makes it sound like he is the only surviving Time Lord from a long-gone world.
 
If Gridlock was on "a few weeks ago", what episode are you on now? Because from your discussion I can clearly see you haven't seen all of series 3. /spoilerishhints
 
The most recent episode shown on SciFi was "Human Nature". One of the third season episodes.

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I got the impression that Gallifrey was destroyed when I watched an episode with the 9th doctor (Christopher Eccleston) and Rose, set several billion years into the future. They're watching the Earth be destroyed by the expanding sun. At one point, an alien who is partially made of wood ("a direct descendent of the rainforest" is how she describes herself) tells the Doctor how sorry she is; the context of their conversation makes it sound like he is the only surviving Time Lord from a long-gone world.
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True. It was established rather emphatically the 9th Doctor was the last Time Lord. (Which came out of the blue.) I assumed Gallifrey had been destroyed too. It took the Doctor telling Martha about Gallifrey to convince me.

However, as a long-time Whovian, I wonder if Gallifrey was really destroyed. The Doctor is a Time Lord, but he doesn't know everything. Especially since he seems to shun his own kind. It wouldn't surprise me if the writers come up with some way to resurrect Gallifrey, the Daleks and whatever else.

If they're ingenious enough to come up with an explanation for why a new actor is the Doctor, the rest should be child's play.
 
May I also join? ... heh biiiig fan here :p

I lurve David Tenant... such a lovely man.. the best doctor yet in my books! Though, my mum doesn't agree much.. lol!! XD
 
Welcome! The more Whovians we have, the better. More importantly, we need people posting in this club.
 
I didn't see "Human Nature" but I did see "The Unquiet Dead" on PBS last Saturday. I've gotten plenty of spoilers from reading posts at Television Without Pity, though.
 
Human Nature was my favourite ep of season 3. I really recommend it.

I think Paul Cornell (HN/The Family of Blood, Father's Day) is my favourite NewWho writer, with Steven Moffat in a close second. Most people seem to love SM the most; his eps are excellent, and very very cleverly plotted, especially The Girl in the Fireplace and Blink. But Paul Cornell's eps can have these beautifully sad moments that I'm a total sucker for, so he wins.
 
I first got into Dr. Who with the current series, and I'm loving it. And, with the recent announcement of a Dr. Who comic, I feel I've entered prime territory. Of course, now I find myself trying to hunt down the old Dr. Who Magazine and comics. Don't know why the written stuff appeals to me more than trying to see the old series.

And I'm also a Paul Cornell fan, though that's purely based on his comic work (English characters are always written best by English writers, and the man's amazingly clever) as I've no clue which episodes of Dr. Who he's written (though I knew he was a regular writer for the series).
 
This thread is turning into everything I hoped it would be. My one regret is that none of you have seen Doctor Who before SciFi started airing the BBC-Wales version.
 
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