Does Iris have the potential for another series?

[Vulpixtail]

Alot of people have been asking if Cilan lasts another series, but how bout Iris?

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Excluding possible filler arc, it's pretty obvious she is going to stay at the 8th Gym after the league.

She'll have the same departure reason as Misty, besides her wanting to leave.

 

[Reivaxe]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Uhh, yeah. Her journey is to become a dragon master but her starter isn't Axew which to me signifies that Axew can stay with in the Dragon village as Iris takes on a new journey with a new Dragon.

If they want to they can have a perfectly good reason for her to stay around.
Also depends on what goes on next gen. The reason she is even in the anime is because there are no contest or anything for a lame Co-Star and the game's playable girl is to old anyway. If they keep this theme going into next gen then she may likely stay.

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

In other words she will leave. What does Axew not being her starter have to do with it?

They could have promoted the musicals but chose not to, Iris is clearly written to be tied to the 8th Gym.

 

[Reivaxe]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

No, in other words it means that like anything her future is dependent on what happens in the games and what the anime team decides.

Axew not being her starter means that just like with any non-starter Pokemon they can be separated, it means that she can logically leave him in the village once he becomes a Haxorus and start again with a new Baby Dragon. maybe she is given an egg that holds a 6th gen Dragon or maybe she gets a 3rd gen Dragon or w/e but her goal is to become a Dragon Master and that doesn't have to end with Axew's final evolution.

An no, they couldn't make musicals a big part of the anime. They lack .... EVERYTHING. No battles, no attacks, nothing but "dress up a Pokemon and make them dance". All they are in the games is some tiny lil side thing that effects nothing. Contest atleast had a system that included attacks and such which worked in favor of making them a focus for that anime and were used heavily to draw in females.

People seem to forget that the anime is here only to promote the games ... and if we don't have a "Musical Co-Star" then that clearly means that its not something that TPC wants to promote or thinks is worth promoting.

 

[Caseydia]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore with this show. I'm beginning to feel that Cilan might be for another season than Iris. I feel like he's getting treated better .

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Axew not being her starter means that just like with any non-starter Pokemon they can be separated, it means that she can logically leave him in the village once he becomes a Haxorus and start again with a new Baby Dragon. maybe she is given an egg that holds a 6th gen Dragon or maybe she gets a 3rd gen Dragon or w/e but her goal is to become a Dragon Master and that doesn't have to end with Axew's final evolution.

Why are you basing this on Axew? What does this seriously have to do with anything? You're saying that just because Iris can leave Axew behind after its evolved, means she can stay? I am really not following this train of thought.

An no, they couldn't make musicals a big part of the anime. They lack .... EVERYTHING. No battles, no attacks, nothing but "dress up a Pokemon and make them dance". All they are in the games is some tiny lil side thing that effects nothing. Contest atleast had a system that included attacks and such which worked in favor of making them a focus for that anime and were used heavily to draw in females.

That's exactly my point. The fact that Iris advertises no new sidequest means they have no reason to keep her. We don't need to follow the same girl for two generations, see what happened to Misty in Johto.

People seem to forget that the anime is here only to promote the games ... and if we don't have a "Musical Co-Star" then that clearly means that its not something that TPC wants to promote or thinks is worth promoting.

And if they never do another female co-star again, it doesn't matter, simply because Iris can be replaced with another female sidekick.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

At this point its hard to say depending in which direction writers want to go with her character.But Iris certainly has stamina and potential to past one region.She is already popular and liked among fandom with people enjoying in her vivid and hyper personality,cynical attitude and certain touch of wildness being present within her.Her dream of becoming dragon master also gives ample room for writers to take it in several various directions considering how it wasnt clearly established yet how could someone accomplish such thing.

While im certain 8th gym and Drayden will play important part in Iris story that doesnt necessarily guarantee how she will stay there,with there existing possibility of Iris deciding to continue traveling and learn new hings in her quest of becoming master of dragon types before she settles down.

We can already see with several game protagonists being ignored in past,some older ones being kept over new ones like Brock etc how advertising doesnt represent any problem for Iris being kept either since its possible to properly promote new games without characters being necessarily replaced.So my answer is yes,i think Iris has potential to last longer than only one region.

That's exactly my point. The fact that Iris advertises no new sidequest means they have no reason to keep her. We don't need to follow the same girl for two generations, see what happened to Misty in Johto.

Im not sure what your trying to imply with this but there was nothing wrong with keeping Misty for Johto with this argument not playing any importance regarding Iris possibility of staying past Unova..
If anything longer staying allowed that character gets exploited more learning more about his dreams and past and only reason why Misty didnt received enough focus with some things not being treated well was because of lack of writers experience at that time not knowing how to handle some things right(no one was treated fine in terms of development,including Ash) as well mr.Shudo not caring much for character.It certainly wasnt because character stayed for longer not mattering how much someone will stay as long writers continue doing good job with it.

Seeing how writing significantly improved in several segments since Johto with writers learning on their mistakes there doesnt exist any chance of same mistake being repeated again with writers probably going to have good work being maintained with Iris if she stays past Unova.

If anything this would be actually good and positive thing since it would give Iris opportunity to be developed more providing character more depth along with story being taken in new directions learning more about her.
Way i see it there is nothing wrong if Iris stays for one,two or even more regions in future as long writers keep up the good work having already potential as character.
Even if some things get screwed up,longevity doesnt play any role in it since mistakes can happen already at start.But at the end of the day it doesnt really matter being always possible to correct flaws and take back someone on right track.Anyone can make mistake but what really counts is if writers are able to redeem for them already proving several times in past how they are able to do so by correcting several mistakes done before.

 

[Reivaxe]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Why are you basing this on Axew? What does this seriously have to do with anything? You're saying that just because Iris can leave Axew behind after its evolved, means she can stay? I am really not following this train of thought.

Why is Axew important? Because thats the goal the writers decided to give Iris to have her travel with Ash, her "anchor". Currently her goal on this journey is to connect with Axew and grow him into a powerful Haxorus much like Ash's goal is to collect badges/ Pokemon and get slapped up at the end, only to try again in a new region. But her main goal is to become a Dragon Master like Ash's main goal is to become a "Pokemon Master" and so its reasonable to assume her journey doesn't end with Axew. So once she reaches her goal of evolving Axew she still has reason to proceed with her journey with out him and is open to a "new" Dragon anchor.

And these are all things the writers have put in the anime ... so yeah, they made plot points that would allow her to stay if thats what they want to do later.

That's exactly my point. The fact that Iris advertises no new sidequest means they have no reason to keep her. We don't need to follow the same girl for two generations, see what happened to Misty in Johto.

Actually, no. The fact that she (Like Dent/ Brock and Misty) doesn't advertise anything in the games gives her reason to STAY ... IF theres nothing like contest next gen that TPC feels needs/ warrants advertising. Its clear the writers don't want to make the anime nothing but "Ash doing his thing" like in the first season which is why BW treats the non-Ash main characters MUCH better than they treated Brock and Misty. And we have seen that when a character does come on only to advertise something they leave to make way for the new face-plate like May and Dawn.

And what about Misty? She was there for no reason and could have been replaced by anything or anyone that wasn't male but the fact is that there was really NO reason to replace her. They didn't have anything on the level on contest back then and they needed a female in the group so ... she stayed.

Are you getting the point? Characters leave to make way for new characters if theres a reason for it. If they want to advertise some other female-geared side thing thats as important as contest next gen and the games go back to have 12 yo Playable Female Characters then yeah, theres reason for Iris to be replaced. But if not? Why exactly would they replace her after crafting a group dynamic between these 3 characters that works if they don't have a reason? Makes sense that they would just keep her and Dent if nothing comes up that would warrant them changing up the cast.

 

[Silktree]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Are you getting the point? Characters leave to make way for new characters if theres a reason for it. If they want to advertise some other female-geared side thing thats as important as contest next gen and the games go back to have 12 yo Playable Female Characters then yeah, theres reason for Iris to be replaced. But if not? Why exactly would they replace her after crafting a group dynamic between these 3 characters that works if they don't have a reason? Makes sense that they would just keep her and Dent if nothing comes up that would warrant them changing up the cast.

I think that's a very flimsy reason for a character to be kept on the show. It seems to me that the writers actually enjoy creating new character dynamics, so they're unlikely to stop unless a character comes along with a very tangible potential of getting more development in the future. Iris does not seem to be that character.

 

[Spindae2]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

I think she will stay in gen 6 as well!
yes her pokes are strong, yes she has kibago and she will probably catch one more dragon type this gen! but she needs to grow as a character a lot and capture some more Pokemons!
she just started her journey and she needs a lot more evolution and being adult like misty did! maybe after gen 6 when drayden becomes an elite 4 or something!

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Actually, no. The fact that she (Like Dent/ Brock and Misty) doesn't advertise anything in the games gives her reason to STAY ...

I agree about this.With less important characters like gym leaders from games it seems writers have more liberty in keeping them in new regions because of not being tied so much with specific region and generation of games.As characters like May or Dawn who are based on game protagonists are being representatives of their respective regions.

This could be also one of reasons why Brock stayed for so long despite stopping to exist in future games.So from that aspect there is no obstacle for Iris being kept past Unova if writers decide to do so.

And what about Misty? She was there for no reason and could have been replaced by anything or anyone that wasn't male but the fact is that there was really NO reason to replace her. They didn't have anything on the level on contest back then and they needed a female in the group so ... she stayed.

Her purpose was to act like Ash coach and mentor along with Brock helping him to grow as trainer while providing humor and good character interaction within group providing some identity to it.
Reason she was replaced was because ex head writer mr.Shudo decided to add some change in show by adding new girl which in end was more suitable for promotion of contests.

I think that's a very flimsy reason for a character to be kept on the show. It seems to me that the writers actually enjoy creating new character dynamics, so they're unlikely to stop unless a character comes along with a very tangible potential of getting more development in the future. Iris does not seem to be that character.

Its more they enjoy adding new females to provide new "eye candy"and try out new designs according to that interview with Masamitsu Hidaka.In reality Misty,May etc had potential to last longer having unexplored things and room for further growth but writers rather wanted to include some change along with advertising playing some small part in whole story as well.

When it comes to Iris only way she could survive being replaced at end of Unova is if writers decide to include some unexpected twist and tweak formula a bit to warrant further staying.
In my opinion Iris as character has potential and stamina to be taken in new directions past Best Wishes with new subplots being opened in her story expanding on something which is previously established but real question in here is are writers willing to change formula they have been following for 13 years when it comes to character replacing?
Would they rather want for a change to do continuation of current character story(in this case being Iris)going forward with it or write her out like anyone else from past starting from scratch with new one?

I guess only time will tell.

 

[Iteru]

I've changed the title of the thread, as I'm confident that you meant another series than another season (they're two different terms).

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As for my opinion, I don't think Iris has the potential to stay for another series. I feel that with Doryuzu coming round pretty quickly, as well as Kibago learning very powerful moves in Dragon's Fury and Imperial Wrath pretty quick too, Iris isn't around for the longhaul. She's had plots resolve early rather then being extended for a long duration. It seems to me that they're getting the most out of her while they can.

I very disagree with the Dragon Master plot as potential to stay. We do not know yet if a Dragon Master needs more then one Dragon Pokémon synched with/strong so the 6th Gen Dragon stuff is very lost on me. Shaga as we know is connected with Iris' plot and unless they conveniently have a Gym Leader or Heavenly King that uses Dragons in the next Gen, then there would be no notable character to call a Dragon Master for Iris to idolise. An appearance by Shaga himself in the next gen games is low too considering the other characters that they could use. Low chances don't convince me.

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Actually, no. The fact that she (Like Dent/ Brock and Misty) doesn't advertise anything in the games gives her reason to STAY ... IF theres nothing like contest next gen that TPC feels needs/ warrants advertising. Its clear the writers don't want to make the anime nothing but "Ash doing his thing" like in the first season which is why BW treats the non-Ash main characters MUCH better than they treated Brock and Misty. And we have seen that when a character does come on only to advertise something they leave to make way for the new face-plate like May and Dawn.

Why would they advertise a girl who likes dragons for two gens? Kanto/Johto at least were connected in the anime and back during the Johto days there was no viable female character to replace Misty with. You wouldn't expect Jasmine or Whitney as part of the group, would you? And Marina didn't exist till Johto was halfway in.

And what about Misty? She was there for no reason and could have been replaced by anything or anyone that wasn't male but the fact is that there was really NO reason to replace her. They didn't have anything on the level on contest back then and they needed a female in the group so ... she stayed.

Explained above, Misty didn't stay for any special reason. The writers also dropped her in a heartbeat the first given opportunity.

Are you getting the point? Characters leave to make way for new characters if theres a reason for it. If they want to advertise some other female-geared side thing thats as important as contest next gen and the games go back to have 12 yo Playable Female Characters then yeah, theres reason for Iris to be replaced. But if not? Why exactly would they replace her after crafting a group dynamic between these 3 characters that works if they don't have a reason? Makes sense that they would just keep her and Dent if nothing comes up that would warrant them changing up the cast.

This is pretty ridiculous. They could do anything next gen. A female rival from the games could be the next main girl, for example.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Why would they advertise a girl who likes dragons for two gens? Kanto/Johto at least were connected in the anime and back during the Johto days there was no viable female character to replace Misty with. You wouldn't expect Jasmine or Whitney as part of the group, would you? And Marina didn't exist till Johto was halfway in.

Purpose behind keeping Iris could be in adding some unexpected twist and change of pace with writers deciding to break currently stale formula of"rinse and repeat":new character joins group,stays for 4 years and gets replaced never to be seen again.

By keeping Iris and doing continuation of her story taking it through new directions while in process enriching character with new subplots and development would serve as nice change of pace and breeze of fresh air.

It was already established several times in past how order to advertise new games you dont need new characters.Older characters can promote new games through new pokemon just fine as any new character would.
As we get to see with Ash,Brock for all this years,Team Rocket etc older characters can have marketing value too being possible to promote games through them along with new characters being showed as guests(Like HGSS for example did) with several game protagonists from main games being ignored in favor of certain character stay.

Nintendo and Game Freak could care less who is going to be in cast as long their main product and source of money(new pokemon)are being properly showcased.

Explained above, Misty didn't stay for any special reason. The writers also dropped her in a heartbeat the first given opportunity.

Not at all,according to mr.Shudo blogs he wanted to replace her character before Johto but it seems not everyone shard same opinion about this not having choice but to keep her,.Only reason he ditched her at end of Johto was because ratings started to drop wanting to add some change to cast and since she had "lowest justification" and TR was favorized its obvious why happened what happened..

 

[Likeitornot.]

I guess, her character seems the sort that develops over a longer period of time, but then again, I honestly don't think so. I mean, I know how Misty stayed on, maybe because they depicted Ash's Journey in Johto slightly as continuing on, than a whole new journey entirely, and that Johto and Kanto were connected. And seeing as a career as Dragon Master is harder to fulfill like a Water-type Master, it is possible.
Still, I can see her leaving at the end of the series all the same. I just don't believe that the writers will drag her out over different seasons.
IMO, If she's going to keep up with her attitude, then I hope not. It's getting to be a tad bit of a pain...

 

[Cybersai]

There is absolutely no reason. The writers love bringing in new characters, why would they keep Iris for 8 years? That makes absolutely zero sense. You really think Iris is going to have 8 years of screentime? Really?

 

[Reivaxe]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

I think that's a very flimsy reason for a character to be kept on the show. It seems to me that the writers actually enjoy creating new character dynamics, so they're unlikely to stop unless a character comes along with a very tangible potential of getting more development in the future. Iris does not seem to be that character.

Then why exactly was Brock around for so long if they "like changing up the cast"? He offered nothing in the way of potential and basically did nothing outside of his gag and play the role of "Older Male care taker". Why was the only spot to change each region the female spot when they actually had to advertise a female geared feature from the games?

Because its simply easier to keep an established character around than to needlessly change things up and risk messing up the image.

I like the anime and all but I'm not going to act like its anything more than animated promotion for the games.
I also agree with some of what Pokemon Fan is saying but I will get to that in a bit.

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Does Iris have the potential for another season?

Then why exactly was Brock around for so long if they "like changing up the cast"? He offered nothing in the way of potential and basically did nothing outside of his gag and play the role of "Older Male care taker". Why was the only spot to change each region the female spot when they actually had to advertise a female geared feature from the games?

Because its simply easier to keep an established character around than to needlessly change things up and risk messing up the image.

LOL, no. He was kept for AG probably because they needed a third character with pokemon. Back then they also wanted to split the starters among the main cast, and obviously couldn't do it with Max.

With DP, I assume they probably thought Croagunk could revive the character.

And you can't possibly believe the writers would pass up using a new female character.

 

[Hellion]

The last few posts relate to Iris in any way so let's try to steer the conversation back to her. Minor comparaisons with older characters are fine as long as they relates these older characters to Iris. This thread isn't about why Brock stayed for 14 years, it about what about Iris' character indicates whether or not she might stay for another saga after Best Wishes.