Does the main Pokemon series need to start afresh?

Should the main pokemon series start afresh?


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Faulkie

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I'm not sure if anyone has made a topic like this before, and I apologise if they have, but hear me out.

As we all know, the main Pokemon games form a series, perhaps not chronologically but in the way that they share a universe, characters and sometimes even locations. Because of this, it becomes increasingly more difficult to retcon anything. I'll give some examples.

Firstly is the issue of new evolutions, and the ridiculous ways of achieving some of them. In my mind, there is absolutely no reason why Leafeon couldn't be evolved using the leaf stone or Tangrowth, Yanmega, Probopass, etc, through normal means from their previous forms. Obviously, there IS a reason for this, namely that the developers of Pokemon wish to avoid questions of why these methods could not be performed in other games.

My next point is a quick one regarding gender. Gallade is male only, wheras Gardevoir can be either. Froslass is female either, wheras Glalie can be either. Does this make sense? Would it perhaps make more sense for the evolution to split based on gender alone? Going one step further than perhaps I can, is it possible that the developers would have intended for this had they not wanted to break continuity?

Another important point is regarding Pokemon breeding and incenses. Again, these incenses exist solely for the reason of creating continuity with breeding from the previous games. But if you think about it, the fact that a natural creature would REQUIRE a man-made object to produce its young is weird at best.

One of the reasons that the developers of Pokemon feel the need to dance around these problems of continuity is regarding trading. If D/P had made Gardevoir female-only, then one would not be able to trade a male Gardevoir from the provious games. However, I believe there is more to it than this. Ruby and Sapphire, the first versions to date after Red and Blue to wipe the trading-slate clean with no compatibility with any other generations, still contained incense in order to breed certain baby pokemon.

So it seems that, almost entirely independent of trading, there seems a need to keep a continuity of Pokemon that is free of retcons by inventing more and more strange ways of explaining things. However, is this really necessary? Does it REALLY make less sense for a Wobbuffet to naturally lay a Wynaut egg, or for Gardevoir to be female only in Generation V? Comparatively, I think it's less important to be thinking about how it all logically links in with the other games and more important to consider whether it logically fits in with itself.

Gold and Silver actually provided one of the most drastic, direct retcons that can happen in a Pokemon game - Magnemite and Magneton changed types. Although arguably a less direct way around this (such as incense, etc) is not possible in these circumstances, the developers still took the plunge to correct something wrong with Red and Blue when looking from a Gold and Silver perspective. Perhaps there's nothing wrong with Gardevoir being both genders from a R/S viewpoint, but when the need arises, the developers shouldn't fear reinvisioning it through a D/P perspective and make it female only. What's more, Gold and Silver with its different types for Magnemite were actually compatible with Red and Blue's old type.

It is possible, both from a trading and a continuity standpoint, to correct these things, and I feel that this should be done as it is far more preferable to some of the ways they've found around it. I think the next generation should start Afresh, correct these things, and just accept that there's no explanation for it. There may not be, but I think the generation will be better for it.

Thanks for reading. :)
 
I only think they should make the evolutions easier. Some ways to evolve are getting weirder (like leveling up at a place that only exists in one region). But Gardevoir shouldn't be female only. It just needs a gender difference for male ones (and perhaps a female version of a gallade with gender diffrences, it would be perfect form of emancipation xD). They could do the same to machamp.
 
I believe the evolution system is getting kinda weird and much more complicated. In the original main series games, it was mostly level up evolutions, elemental stones, and trading. Then, they have night and day happiness evolutions, location evolutions, etc. If they make a Gen 5, how are certain pokemon (namely Nosepass, Magneton, Leafeon, and Glaceon) going to evolve?
 
I voted I don't care either way. I mean I like my male Gardevoir. It could have been a Gallade, if I used the other conditions, but I chose not to.

And gen V will just have to be like Gen IV, you have to import those Pokemon.
 
I think that for Gen V, it should only be compatible with Gen IV. This would still allow for trading between the Gens. It sucked when with RSE you couldn't trade to previous gens (GSC fans, how mad were you when you couldn't trade Red Gyrados to RSE for example). However, they should try to change the convoluted methods. The first thing to change should be the National Dex. It bugs me that Blissey and Chansey are nearly 100 spots away when Chansey evolves into Blissey. Or that Eevee is next to vaporeon, flameon, and jolteon, but then skips 100 spots to go to Umbreon and Espeon, then about 200 spots for Leafeon and Glaceon. Once the National Dex is changed, then they should focus on the evolution methods. They could retroactively make Eevee evolve into Leafeon with a leaf stone, then add an ice stone for pokemon like Glaceon and Frosslass. Whatever they do, they should change the system of evolving because it's too annoying. Some of the evolution processes are fine, but having to trade a pokemon when he's holding a king's rock or something like that is too complicated IMO.
 
See, that's what I'm talking about. SURE there need to be different methods of evolving pokemon that have a split evolution chain, but let's take Kirlia as an example again. One evolution you just level it up, the other you have to take it to a specific place and do a specific thing. It all just seems weird, and it serves only the purpose of retconning previous games. All this stuff just needs to be revamped so that it makes more sense.
 
Pokémon builds on itself. It always has, and I think it's better off that way. I do not think the series needs to start anew, but I agree that they should not be afraid to retcon. All the incense and evolutions are ridiculous, and the game would be much better if they just said silly explanations like "Leaf stones from Hoenn aren't exposed to the right radiation from Mt. Coronet, so they do not have an effect on Eevees" rather than making the mechanics seem forced and needlessly unnatural.
 
I don't know, even explanations like that seem a bit weird and forced. They should just allow you to use a leaf stone on an Eevee to get a Leafeon and just let the minority complain about continuity errors. When I say start anew, I just mean it in the sense that they should revamp the things that don't make sense, regardless of whether or not they fit with other media.
 
Evolution needs to stop being about whatever new and ridiculous item they have that's available maybe once in a game.

But for the love of crap I do not want to restart the series fresh. Gen III almost did that. Screw that.
 
Im all for new ways of evolving pokemon

But if I have to literally check the personality values, locations I caught, and IV's for a WURMPLE, then I get testy.

But what needs to be done is going back to simpler ways of catching them all. Honey trees? honestly.......
 
I agree with the TC's sentiments on Leafeon and Gardevoir.

Personally, I think that Pokèmon just has too much in itself. If it ever lost it's compatability and whatnot, I'd stop following it entirely. But it also needs a lot of resets and take-backs. I think that a lot more focus should've been put on expanding what they had, like GSC did for RGBY, rather than just adding more and more in terms of species, landmasses, overhyped terrible characters, and simply awful trainer outfits.
 
I also think that legendaries have gotten ridiculous in Generation IV. Generation III's Weather Trio almost borders on being ridiculous in terms of power, but the Lake Trio's control of all of human thought ever, Regigigas' moving of continents and of course Arceus' creation of everything crosses the line into ridiculousness...
 
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