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Video called censorship in the Japanese version of pokemon, anime mysteries.

Riveting. The 4kids version should just be considered its own version at this rate?
 
I hope that this doesn't come off as rude and demanding, but I've been curious about this. I've heard from various (albeit of questionable veracity) sources that the writers originally planned on making Ash win the Indigo League and starting anew in Johto with a different protagonist. However, one of the articles had a link to a very old Bulbanews page which said that Masaaki Iwane originally said that Ash was going to be retired after Kanto. I know that you're busy and you have a lot of projects planned, so I accept that you're not going to do it. However, I thought that it would have been an interesting idea if you had nothing else planned to do.
 
This is one of those things where the staff says one thing, and then fans twist their words into some weird fantasy that has no basis in reality.

The Iwane quote in the Bulbapedia article states the show was originally planned to run a year and a half, which works out to about 80 episodes, give or take. So, basically up until the end of Kanto. This fact's been corroborated by others -- Takeshi Shudo's also stated the "year and a half" thing in his own blog, for example -- so we can be confident Iwane's telling the truth here.

Of course, the show became a runaway hit and ended up lasting much, much longer. But the original plan was to end the series at Kanto.

But that's all we know. There is nothing, either in Iwane's words or elsewhere, to even suggest that:
  • Satoshi was going to defeat Shigeru at the Sekiei Tournament
  • That the show would continue into Johto
  • That Satoshi would be "retired" as the main character
All these extra bits are pure fanfiction.
 

Yeah.

1. I guess when it comes to Gary, even if he lost an earlier League match it is still believable that he could still give our lead a run for his money. Besides if League performance matters more, Ash lost cause his heavy hitter gave the ahem, bird.

That and I'm not sure how anyone else viewed it, but given Pokémon Yellow was not too long ago, some of us considered he might have been using the Eevee for a while, and that it could have been his starter as with the rival in Yellow.

Wouldn't be until a few years we find out otherwise.

Plus Ash had only by that point just been moving away from newb to a trainer that could legit do well in matches. Johto furthering that transition that with Gym Badges he got by winning matches 3rd one aside.

2. Regardless of Gary's 4th Round loss, still not implausible for him to score a win against Pikachu over both a Pokémon who is being used for the first time and a new trainer entirely.

Also said just cause said new rival didn't really have anything to it him. To clarify, Gary is someone who started on the same day and in the same town and Ash so it's a tortoise and hare situation. Paul was someone who had the opposite mentality as a trainer. Going for power and ignoring friendship.

His rivalry with Trip? Not really much other than being beaten by him. Not even playing up the country boy VS city boy thing.

3. And like I said to begin with, by the time the Orange Island portion ended, Ash only was just becoming a better trainer. But just prior to BW he was much better than his Orange Island/Johto era where he was training more frequently between Gym Matches and Leagues, working out moves to use and well a far cry from someone who lost a match against a Charmander cause his Charizard told him to go burn himself.
 
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Personally thought Gary beating Ash at the end of Battle Frontier (Elecitrivire vs Pikachu) was a bigger surprise than Ash losing to Gary at the end of Orange Islands. Pikachu wasn't even that strong at this point of the show yet, and it took Ash 4 Pokemon combined to take down Drake's Dragonite where they all did damage to it. By the end of AG, Pikachu was pretty much a powerhouse at that point and finished off Regice two eps before. Granted Pikachu had nothing good to use against Electrivire so I'm fine he lost, but it's funny nobody brings up that battle.

I think people don't talk about it because then Pikachu loses/ties AGAIN to Paul's Elekid in DP3. Anyone remember when Pikachu losing to Paul's Elekid was the "Pikachu vs Snivy" 4 years before that existed? Even with Paul being an experienced trainer, losing to a new baby Elekid in DP3 was something.
 
Gary was about as experienced as Ash which is a pretty massive differnece from the Trip thing. Plus Trip was right after the ridiculous way they ended DP's league and people were increasingly cynical Ash was never going to be allowed to win a major league. I don't think it and the Gary battle are really that similar.

The Misty one was, I think, because E4 and Champions were previously portrayed as on a completely different level of power from normal trainers and Leon was strong even compared to them, then when Ash gets to that tier it suddenly stops being true. Annoyance over the first battle the reserves had in so long being a loss is also possibly a factor.

Falaish said:
I think people don't talk about it because then Pikachu loses/ties AGAIN to Paul's Elekid in DP3. Anyone remember when Pikachu losing to Paul's Elekid was the "Pikachu vs Snivy" 4 years before that existed? Even with Paul being an experienced trainer, losing to a new baby Elekid in DP3 was something.
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In fact at the time it was widely assumed Paul was a newbie. Dogasu even calls him a beginning trainer in his comparison for that episode.
 
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