Donphan and Phanpy as Fighting-types

[AceTrainerAlvaro]

> Despite the addition of Magnitude to Donphan’s repertoire of moves in Generation IV, Donphan and Phanpy have few Ground-type movements at their disposal. If possible, I contend that Donphan and Phanpy be changed into Fighting-types where they would be more useful with moves such as Body Slam, Vital Throw/Seismic, Bulk Up, Counter, Brick Break, and Superpower. Comments?

[The idea to change Donphan and Phanpy into Fighting-types in particular comes from the elephantine mini-boss Phan Phan from the Kirby video game series (which when inhaled by Kirby, transforms the pink hero into “Throw Kirby”), from considering real-world elephants’ extensive use of their trunks as a powerful extra limb, and from considering elephant’s great inherent strength in the first place. Besides, changing Donphan and Phanpy into Fighting-types would add physiological variety to a type dominated by “Humanshape” Pokémon.]

 

[xNovaXx]

(This should probably be moved to the videogames forum.)

Well...last time i checked Body Slam was Normal...

anyway to me Donphan doesn't have enough speed that is so charateristic of most-if not all-fighting types so changing it to fighting doesn't really sit well me.

Think about it. If you were competing in a boxing match, if you're slow, you're going to get hit a lot more.

 

[Lazyboy0337]

(This should probably be moved to the videogames forum.)

Well...last time i checked Body Slam was Normal...

anyway to me Donphan doesn't have enough speed that is so charateristic of most-if not all-fighting types so changing it to fighting doesn't really sit well me.

Think about it. If you were competing in a boxing match, if you're slow, you're going to get hit a lot more.

the tortoise and the hare my friend, the tortoise and the hare...

 

[xNovaXx]

the tortoise and the hare my friend, the tortoise and the hare...

That's completely different. I don't think that the tortoise could punch worth anything...the hare could punch 25 times before the tortoise could even lift its arm?leg? whatever. The tortoise may be determined but even that couldn't overcome the beating it would get...Now substitute Donphan for the tortoise and say Hitmonchan for the hare and put them in a boxing match. The Hitmonchan wins everytime.

 

[Lazyboy0337]

choice scarf earthquake?

 

[Falconwing]

We are not going to go around changing types. If we have to change it because of moveset, then we might as well make it normal, since that's the type that dominates it's moveset.

So yeah, GF is going to change types on us.

Please don't bring up the magnets because their type was added to, not changed.

 

[Envoy]

(This should probably be moved to the videogames forum.)

Well...last time i checked Body Slam was Normal...

anyway to me Donphan doesn't have enough speed that is so charateristic of most-if not all-fighting types so changing it to fighting doesn't really sit well me.

Think about it. If you were competing in a boxing match, if you're slow, you're going to get hit a lot more.

Actually, alot of the Fighting type Pokemon out there are rather slow. The only one that comes to mind that has a base speed stat of over 100 is Infernape. The other prominent Pokemon of this type usually have their base speed in the eighties at the highest, which is rather mediocre for OU standards.

For example: Heracross, Machamp, Hitmontop, Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee and Breloom all have a base speed of less than ninety while Lucario's base speed is exactly ninety. For the standard tiers, that's rather slow (Houndoom and Roserade are also considered slow Pokemon when used in OU)

Luckily there's Mach Punch, Vacum Wave and the Choice Scarf to offset the mediocre speed, but the fact still remains that most fighting types are rather slow

On topic: I don't know if Donphan fits as a pure Fighting type, but having a Fighting/Ground type would be innovative (I don't think there's any Pokemon with that type combination.)

 

[Lazyboy0337]

^ there is no such type combonation

 

[Mostly Harmless]

It wouldn't sit well with me having some small little elephant type things being Fighting-type...

Though I think that Donphan should have higher speed.
He's essentially a tire after all.

 

[deja0entendu]

There are a couple of Pokemon that get the shit end of the stick. But at least they get Earthquake, which is THE Ground attack.
Soooo it's all good.

Now let's talk about Flareon? Now THAT'S a disadvantaged Pkm. Where's Flare Blitz?
hmmm hmmm hmmm?
ok ya'll can go back to talking about Donphan... who rules.

 

[AceTrainerAlvaro]

> Thanks for the input.

By the way, "Ryuutakesh", who are Tony, Jason, Reed, Chloe, Victor, Alistor, and Cade?

 

[The Outrage]

> Despite the addition of Magnitude to Donphan’s repertoire of moves in Generation IV, Donphan and Phanpy have few Ground-type movements at their disposal. If possible, I contend that Donphan and Phanpy be changed into Fighting-types where they would be more useful with moves such as Body Slam, Vital Throw/Seismic, Bulk Up, Counter, Brick Break, and Superpower. Comments?

It gets Earthquake which is really the most a ground type can ask for. The rest of its moves fit nicely with it.

As for the fighting moves you suggested:

-Body slam is a normal type
-Vital throw sucks
-Being a fighting type does not get you any advantages with Bulk up and Counter.
-As for Brick Break, its weaker than Earthquake, and Superpower has the bad stat reductions. Fighting and ground have similar type coverage anyway.

And so what if there was a fighting elephant videogame boss? Not like Donphan was based off it.

 

[Dlakii]

It's not as if such a limited Ground repertoire is too bad a thing; any physical Ground move which isn't Earthquake is "meh" at best. It has Earthquake. 100 base power, 100 accuracy, STAB'd in this case, hits everything in a double battle... what more does it need? I'd hardly say that access to moves of one's type is a cause for changing something's type anyway.

 

[Wigglytuff]

...They aren't even bipedal. Honestly, how do you have a fighting type standing on 4 legs? They simply do not fit the mold from an aesthetic perspective. Nothing about them comes off as a Fighting type.

And as someone said, they would in no way be anything but hindered as a Fighting type. Donphan is well established as a rapid spinner, Earthquake is all he has. If he didn't have stab EQ, Starmie, Tentacruel, etc. would be used over him 100% of the time.

There are many other Pokemon that have moves other than their primary type.

Frankly, it's too late to change types. We are at a point where every future game will be indirectly compatible all the way back to RSE. Once a Pokemon is introduced as a type, it's there to stay. There's not a single Pokemon who warrants a type change. Any adding any types (which is different) would be optional and not necessary.

And once again, Ground fits them perfectly. We should not even consider changing it.

 

[BlazinXC]

Or combine ground an fighting...

 

[Cyber Jet]

I think that they should stay ground the only pokemon that i think need to be changed in to fighting is pinser as a bug/fighting as most of the moves it learns are fighting type and i can learn very few bug moves