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DP142 Title - Togepi
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The third togepi to appear since the togepi mirage episode
Togepi still arn't as rare as Blissey though
Togepi still arn't as rare as Blissey though
And people didn't believe this title...
So the conclusion we got from the other thread - there are three most likely scenarios:
- Misty appear and we see her Togetic again
They get somehow to its dimension, which is fitting with DP's theme of time+space=dimension, could be caused by Galactic's doings... Cynthia might appear
- Dawn get an egg from Cynthia or just catch the wild one
Would destroy Togepi's established extremely rare status in the anime as we never saw any Togepi other than Misty's until we got to their dimension, where it was revealed they live only there... and after that we never saw any other Togepi... also, Misty's Togetic is the only one to appear AT ALL even in their dimension!
On the other hand, we might see a Togepi being handled "right", participate in battles and Contests, learn new attacks, evolve, do things, get more development and personality, etc...
- The Togepi being wild random one that will be just in this one ep
Seems like most boring choise and will destroy Toge's rare status as well
But I think we better prepare for this case so we won't get too disappointed
Also, since the Togepi is apparently "evil" - I doubt it'd belong to a main character... as Scott said, it could be similar to the Teddiursa ep from Johto
I think the fact they only live in their own dimension while Blissey don't - is more than enough
Also, we saw "Jessie"'s Blissey, random one in background in the ep Jessie got Wobbuffet, the recent Uxie ep
That's three times Blissey "appeared"... outside their dimension, we never saw any Togepi other than Misty's and we never saw any other Togetic at all!
So really, it IS showcased as extremely rare in the anime - even more rare than some of the legendaries (I wonder how many times we'll see Suicune)
So the conclusion we got from the other thread - there are three most likely scenarios:
- Misty appear and we see her Togetic again
They get somehow to its dimension, which is fitting with DP's theme of time+space=dimension, could be caused by Galactic's doings... Cynthia might appear
- Dawn get an egg from Cynthia or just catch the wild one
Would destroy Togepi's established extremely rare status in the anime as we never saw any Togepi other than Misty's until we got to their dimension, where it was revealed they live only there... and after that we never saw any other Togepi... also, Misty's Togetic is the only one to appear AT ALL even in their dimension!
On the other hand, we might see a Togepi being handled "right", participate in battles and Contests, learn new attacks, evolve, do things, get more development and personality, etc...
- The Togepi being wild random one that will be just in this one ep
Seems like most boring choise and will destroy Toge's rare status as well
But I think we better prepare for this case so we won't get too disappointed
Also, since the Togepi is apparently "evil" - I doubt it'd belong to a main character... as Scott said, it could be similar to the Teddiursa ep from Johto
I think the fact they only live in their own dimension while Blissey don't - is more than enough
Also, we saw "Jessie"'s Blissey, random one in background in the ep Jessie got Wobbuffet, the recent Uxie ep
That's three times Blissey "appeared"... outside their dimension, we never saw any Togepi other than Misty's and we never saw any other Togetic at all!
So really, it IS showcased as extremely rare in the anime - even more rare than some of the legendaries (I wonder how many times we'll see Suicune)
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Agh why do they keep remaking all of the Johto episodes I've already seen
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I don't know if I believe the whole "Togepi" can only be found in the mirage kingdom nonsense.
For one, given how excluded the mirage kingdom is from the rest of "HOENN" it's like saying a native animal can't be found in a different part of the world.
Second- The Togepi from the "dimension" seemed to only appear in the Mirage Kingdom, which doesn't explain how an egg made it all its way to Kanto. Which means either the Topgepi can open a dimension anywhere (which basically is a middle finger to those who said Misty can't be reunited with Togetic), or there are more dimensions/ or wild non-dimension groups of the Togepi line.
Third- We're supposed to take the word of a people who lived on an island of sorts for however long. Yes, there is Misty's Togepi, but keep in mind that was the result of Team Rocket, since well... they have run into Misty's Togepi long before the episode, so again even if Misty's Togepi was some sort of exclusion to the rule, we're still supposed to believe some Kingdom, which doesn't have absolute proof that Togepi could exist elsewhere. If you didn't get what I was saying the argument countered is: They had to resort to Misty's Togepi, proving they aren't found anywhere. But like I said I doubt they even looked all over the world (Hansen could've, but seems unlikely) and Team Rocket knew someone who did have a Togepi (Misty).
For one, given how excluded the mirage kingdom is from the rest of "HOENN" it's like saying a native animal can't be found in a different part of the world.
Second- The Togepi from the "dimension" seemed to only appear in the Mirage Kingdom, which doesn't explain how an egg made it all its way to Kanto. Which means either the Topgepi can open a dimension anywhere (which basically is a middle finger to those who said Misty can't be reunited with Togetic), or there are more dimensions/ or wild non-dimension groups of the Togepi line.
Third- We're supposed to take the word of a people who lived on an island of sorts for however long. Yes, there is Misty's Togepi, but keep in mind that was the result of Team Rocket, since well... they have run into Misty's Togepi long before the episode, so again even if Misty's Togepi was some sort of exclusion to the rule, we're still supposed to believe some Kingdom, which doesn't have absolute proof that Togepi could exist elsewhere. If you didn't get what I was saying the argument countered is: They had to resort to Misty's Togepi, proving they aren't found anywhere. But like I said I doubt they even looked all over the world (Hansen could've, but seems unlikely) and Team Rocket knew someone who did have a Togepi (Misty).
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I like the second senario the best.
I would like the from the episode Togepi to be reccurring pokemon. Either if it travels with a main character or it follows Ash and Co just to cause trouble.
We watch this anime for more than 10 years and over 500 episodes
WE are these who travel all over the world
I think we can come to this conclusion by ourselves without relying on what these people said, though it only support the theory that they clearly said that (after all, it's the writers who chose to have them clearly say such thing about Togepi... they didn't -had- to)
Exactly! Hansen! If he wanted Togepi so badly and if they weren't as rare Poké as I say - why he didn't simply find a wild one?
You also can't ignore the fact the writers intentually never showcased any other Togepi outside their dimension and never showcased any other Togetic at all
Even neglected Poké like Dunsparce find their way to appear at least in the background for a second - Togepi/Togetic never did so (well, there's the movie 11 intro Togekiss but I don't know if to count it, movies aren't too much connected to the show's plot and that was during an intro explaining the world of Poké, not even part of the plot...)
Also, note how they showcased it as if there's only one Togepi at a time on earth
Misty had Togepi
Misty's Togepi evolved and went into the dimension
A Togepi came out of the dimension and chose to join princess Sarah
Seems like there's one Togepi at a time outside of the dimension (which could be how Ash found Togepi's egg, maybe it was intentually released out of the dimension to find its destined partner Misty)
If that's the case, there's no reason for Togepi to appear unless they enter the dimension again...
Sure, they can screw up all this logic and destroy something they chose to establish themselves, it won't be the first time - but I hope they won't do that
Well, I did say it could be a random Togepi for one ep
In this case it doesn't really matters if it's wild or belong to a random COTD
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If it does belong to some random trainer (which is very likely), it'll be a remake of the Teddiursa filler.
I'm not going to get my hopes up to see Misty or Cynthia, but if they do appear, I'll have a seizure.
I'm not going to get my hopes up to see Misty or Cynthia, but if they do appear, I'll have a seizure.
I still wonder if that means the Togepi being evil or maybe it's something else...
Oh look, Weedle is in this thread! *prepares my popcorn*
EDIT: NOOO!!!@%#@ [/Brandon] Where's Weedle?! It said he's posting a reply! how disappointing...
Oh look, Weedle is in this thread! *prepares my popcorn*
EDIT: NOOO!!!@%#@ [/Brandon] Where's Weedle?! It said he's posting a reply! how disappointing...
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Maybe Misty and her Togetic will appear in this episode, maybe she won't and this is one of those episodes that contradicts continuity as a whole. Heck, it may also be our long awaited Togekiss debut.
@Piplup: While it is true that the anime as a whole focuses on the journey of Ash and his friends, that does not mean that their journey has shown absolutely every single acre of Johto. If I must remind you, Ash had gone through Kanto before, and we can definitely say that he never visited every single acre in Kanto. Heck, even his return to the Battle Frontier may have had him missing a few acres.
However, I do agree about the rarity of the Toge-line. However, just because only one is shown to exist outside the dimension doesn't necessarily mean that only one can exist outside the dimension. While the Togekiss appearance in the opening to Movie 11 was only in that, the opening, the movie itself still counts as being part of the Anime continuity. (Just because there may not be mentions of it in the Anime itself doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't canon. Heck, the Anime sometimes doesn't mentions the events that happened in the Anime, and in some cases, even act as though they completely forgot about said events (eg, Ash, Misty, and Brock's lack of knowledge of the P1 Grand Prix, or in the case of AG, May erroneosly mentioning in both the original and 4kids dub of "A Fan with a Plan" that she used Skitty in the Fallabor Contest when she actually used Beautifly.).
BTW, that reminds me. Geodude, I believe you owe darklucario an apology for what you did before closing down the thread.
You know, Pokemon Fan 132 and I think it was made quite clear by Satoshi Tajiri and the others that Togepi and it's entire line were simply not meant to be battlers of any sort. I mean, in most of the times that you acquire it in the games, it's via receiving it's egg from someone. The only time Togepi is available for capture is in DP on the Battle Zone. Even then, you have to rely on the Pokemon Radar to even have a chance at finding it, thus still making it unable to capture by conventional means. I guess you could argue Togetic was able to battle and was snaggable/capturable in Pokemon Colosseum, but I will point out that, 1. Togetic wasn't quite acting naturally that time (It was a Shadow Pokemon, for petes sake.), and 2. the programmers when they had designed the Shadow Togetic, the last Shadow Pokemon available after capturing all the other Shadow Pokemon, not only made it the lowest member of the Wes Imposter's team, but also one of the lowest levelled Shadow Pokemon available (It ranked a Level 20, which by that time, most of your team has already levelled up significantly). Combined with the fact that some of Wes Imposter's team is able to even hurt Shadow Togetic when they attack and possibly OH-KO it, the creators of the game seem to want you to just capture it as soon as it appears rather than just weaken it and capture it. Also, the few times that we saw a Togekiss battle, it was basically trained under some of the most powerful trainers in existance (EG, Cynthia [the Sinnoh Champion], Palmer [Battle Tower owner/leader], and people around the Battle Zone [all extremely skilled trainers].), so it's basically comparable to a Dragonite, a Tyranitar, a Salamence, a Metagross, and a Garchomp.
Also, the DPP Pokedex states that Togekiss and the rest of it's line are pacifists and don't seek battle. Heck, they even went as far as to imply that the Togekiss sighting have grown extremely rare as of late due to wars.
All of this pretty much means that the Toge-line simply should not be used for battles.
Well, I don't know. I think in order for it to be labelled "the worst togepi", it has to have been born with a mutation where negative emotions seem to empower it [which may be the reason why it's called that.]. Heck, it may not even be a real togepi as much as a cleverly built Togepi robot from Team Rocket's Arsenal [similar to the Slaking in "Slaking Kong"].
Well, besides which, you kinda forgot one speculatory appearance of Togekiss/Togepi. You know, having Cynthia actually own a Togekiss. But, then again, seeing how the chances of that happening are possibly as much as, or even less than, Misty coming to Sinnoh with her Togekiss appearing there as well, it won't matter anyways.
BTW, that reminds me, can someone PLEASE explain why Byron and Candice seemed to only use their D/P lineup instead of their Platinum lineup in their battle against Ash?
@Piplup: While it is true that the anime as a whole focuses on the journey of Ash and his friends, that does not mean that their journey has shown absolutely every single acre of Johto. If I must remind you, Ash had gone through Kanto before, and we can definitely say that he never visited every single acre in Kanto. Heck, even his return to the Battle Frontier may have had him missing a few acres.
However, I do agree about the rarity of the Toge-line. However, just because only one is shown to exist outside the dimension doesn't necessarily mean that only one can exist outside the dimension. While the Togekiss appearance in the opening to Movie 11 was only in that, the opening, the movie itself still counts as being part of the Anime continuity. (Just because there may not be mentions of it in the Anime itself doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't canon. Heck, the Anime sometimes doesn't mentions the events that happened in the Anime, and in some cases, even act as though they completely forgot about said events (eg, Ash, Misty, and Brock's lack of knowledge of the P1 Grand Prix, or in the case of AG, May erroneosly mentioning in both the original and 4kids dub of "A Fan with a Plan" that she used Skitty in the Fallabor Contest when she actually used Beautifly.).
BTW, that reminds me. Geodude, I believe you owe darklucario an apology for what you did before closing down the thread.
You know, Pokemon Fan 132 and I think it was made quite clear by Satoshi Tajiri and the others that Togepi and it's entire line were simply not meant to be battlers of any sort. I mean, in most of the times that you acquire it in the games, it's via receiving it's egg from someone. The only time Togepi is available for capture is in DP on the Battle Zone. Even then, you have to rely on the Pokemon Radar to even have a chance at finding it, thus still making it unable to capture by conventional means. I guess you could argue Togetic was able to battle and was snaggable/capturable in Pokemon Colosseum, but I will point out that, 1. Togetic wasn't quite acting naturally that time (It was a Shadow Pokemon, for petes sake.), and 2. the programmers when they had designed the Shadow Togetic, the last Shadow Pokemon available after capturing all the other Shadow Pokemon, not only made it the lowest member of the Wes Imposter's team, but also one of the lowest levelled Shadow Pokemon available (It ranked a Level 20, which by that time, most of your team has already levelled up significantly). Combined with the fact that some of Wes Imposter's team is able to even hurt Shadow Togetic when they attack and possibly OH-KO it, the creators of the game seem to want you to just capture it as soon as it appears rather than just weaken it and capture it. Also, the few times that we saw a Togekiss battle, it was basically trained under some of the most powerful trainers in existance (EG, Cynthia [the Sinnoh Champion], Palmer [Battle Tower owner/leader], and people around the Battle Zone [all extremely skilled trainers].), so it's basically comparable to a Dragonite, a Tyranitar, a Salamence, a Metagross, and a Garchomp.
Also, the DPP Pokedex states that Togekiss and the rest of it's line are pacifists and don't seek battle. Heck, they even went as far as to imply that the Togekiss sighting have grown extremely rare as of late due to wars.
All of this pretty much means that the Toge-line simply should not be used for battles.
Well, I don't know. I think in order for it to be labelled "the worst togepi", it has to have been born with a mutation where negative emotions seem to empower it [which may be the reason why it's called that.]. Heck, it may not even be a real togepi as much as a cleverly built Togepi robot from Team Rocket's Arsenal [similar to the Slaking in "Slaking Kong"].
Well, besides which, you kinda forgot one speculatory appearance of Togekiss/Togepi. You know, having Cynthia actually own a Togekiss. But, then again, seeing how the chances of that happening are possibly as much as, or even less than, Misty coming to Sinnoh with her Togekiss appearing there as well, it won't matter anyways.
BTW, that reminds me, can someone PLEASE explain why Byron and Candice seemed to only use their D/P lineup instead of their Platinum lineup in their battle against Ash?
It's finally here, Weedle's post!
Still, the writers obviously intentually chose to establish the Togepi line as extremely rare
I know they can always change this fact like they changed some other things but I prefer if they stick to what they did
Though while I think about it now... I do like Togepi and its evos and Dawn owning one could let us constantly see it and possibly being used "the right way" in battles and Contests... so I don't know, I guess I'll just try to be happy with whatever they do since I can find the good things in every case
The other two titles that user posted (if you refer to thread I think you do) were 99.9% fake and were based on the calendar to make people believe them
The Togepi title had some sources before, the other two titles didn't
Ridiculous
ALL the Poké (ESPECIALLY in the anime) can do EVERYTHING
There's no Poké that is "too weak", with enough faith and training one can do everything, this is one of the main things Poké teach us
Also, you yourself pointed out how the games had very strong characters (like Champion Cynthia, Frontier Brain Daliah and even Mira) use the Togepi line which means this Poké has the potential to be VERY strong, if such good trainers use it
So...?
Part of its body is actually still its egg shell and its so cute and little - it only made sense to let this Pokémon introduce eggs to players and got this honor in some of the next games too
I don't see what's so wrong with this
That doesn't mean anything about its battle abilities
See? They mean battles that are more like wars which are filled with hate and negative feelings
Pokémon Battles/Contests/etc however, are more like a game/sport that it seems like both Poké and humans enjoy, seems to deep the connection between them and improve their friendship (which is something Toge supposed to like), seems to make them happy to train and get stronger even after they lose and so on
There's nothing wrong with Toge battling
I doubt it'll just be a robot
Since the writers sticked to the DP games with the order of the Gyms and the teams of the Leaders, it was too late to change everything to Platinum
I guess they still could change if they wanted but they probably said that if by now they sticked to the DP teams, they better go with them to the end
Even if Cynthia does own Togekiss in the anime, it'll probably won't be used in her battle VS Ash, I totally see Gastrodon safe to stay
Still, the writers obviously intentually chose to establish the Togepi line as extremely rare
I know they can always change this fact like they changed some other things but I prefer if they stick to what they did
Though while I think about it now... I do like Togepi and its evos and Dawn owning one could let us constantly see it and possibly being used "the right way" in battles and Contests... so I don't know, I guess I'll just try to be happy with whatever they do since I can find the good things in every case
The other two titles that user posted (if you refer to thread I think you do) were 99.9% fake and were based on the calendar to make people believe them
The Togepi title had some sources before, the other two titles didn't
Ridiculous
ALL the Poké (ESPECIALLY in the anime) can do EVERYTHING
There's no Poké that is "too weak", with enough faith and training one can do everything, this is one of the main things Poké teach us
Also, you yourself pointed out how the games had very strong characters (like Champion Cynthia, Frontier Brain Daliah and even Mira) use the Togepi line which means this Poké has the potential to be VERY strong, if such good trainers use it
So...?
Part of its body is actually still its egg shell and its so cute and little - it only made sense to let this Pokémon introduce eggs to players and got this honor in some of the next games too
I don't see what's so wrong with this
That doesn't mean anything about its battle abilities
See? They mean battles that are more like wars which are filled with hate and negative feelings
Pokémon Battles/Contests/etc however, are more like a game/sport that it seems like both Poké and humans enjoy, seems to deep the connection between them and improve their friendship (which is something Toge supposed to like), seems to make them happy to train and get stronger even after they lose and so on
There's nothing wrong with Toge battling
I doubt it'll just be a robot
Since the writers sticked to the DP games with the order of the Gyms and the teams of the Leaders, it was too late to change everything to Platinum
I guess they still could change if they wanted but they probably said that if by now they sticked to the DP teams, they better go with them to the end
Even if Cynthia does own Togekiss in the anime, it'll probably won't be used in her battle VS Ash, I totally see Gastrodon safe to stay
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I would love it if Misty made an appearance, but like others have said this Togepi could be a random one
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While it seems like they're destroying the logic from the Mirage Kingdom episodes, I don't mind so much. After all, Togepi has long lost in special status to me. You can get one as an egg from one person in every generation since its inception. I would like it if you could perhaps get a different Pokemon, maybe one that's not considered a baby Pokemon.
I'm more curious about the title. It sounds to me like we have a trainer with a bratty Togepi. And of course, Jessie is going to want to steal it. It's inevitable whenever they introduce a cute Pokemon.
I'm more curious about the title. It sounds to me like we have a trainer with a bratty Togepi. And of course, Jessie is going to want to steal it. It's inevitable whenever they introduce a cute Pokemon.
If this Togepi does turn out to be evil and Dawn captures it, I could see a reacurring joke in which Ash is constantly trying to prove to Dawn that her Togepi is evil, but she doesn't believe him because everytime she looks at Togepi all she sees is just a cute baby pokemon.