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I'm new to competitive battling and don't really know what to do. As a start, any suggestions for a decent or good but easy to make team would be nice. Thx. Also, Smogon standard please.
 
If youre new to competitive play let me be the first to tell you smogon isnt the way to go. 1. their rules are not official pokemon rules so they count out a lot of strategies you could use because they dont believe in them. and 2. The best teams are organic teams with pokemon you like. If you dont like the pokemon you are using its gonna be difficult to find anything useful for them.

But more on topic. The easiest team is usually an offensive powerhouse team with some stat boosters. For example, swords dance garchomp or weavile. Technician, swords dance, life orb, priority scizor. White orb, draco meteor hydriegon. Anything that can deal massive damage with minimal effort and a good amount of bulk doesnt hurt either. I prefer stall teams but if you are looking for something easy go big offensive sweepers team. But remember to use your ideas. Take advice from others if you like the idea but dont disregard what you think just because others may be more experienced. I admit I look on smogon if im having trouble and sometimes throw my own spin on it. Getting different ideas will make you a better trainer but copy and pasting will not
 
I'm going to repeat the above advice a little and say that a "good team" isn't just a team of good Pokémon, it's a team controlled by a good player. Raw power isn't going to beat solid strategy any day of the week.

That said, there are some solid strategies that have been tried and tested in the past. A good starting point is to try different strategies and see what appeals to you the most. For example, I began with Sandstorm teams, which I found that I liked a lot. I moved over to Rain and Hyper Offense, and pretty much just tried out a wide variety of team types. Check out the different types of strategy and see what appeals to you the most. A good tool to use for this is Pokémon Online, which is sort of like an online battle simulator. You can test out teams there before actually making them in the game.
 
edmek55555 said:
If youre new to competitive play let me be the first to tell you smogon isnt the way to go. 1. their rules are not official pokemon rules so they count out a lot of strategies you could use because they dont believe in them. and 2. The best teams are organic teams with pokemon you like. If you dont like the pokemon you are using its gonna be difficult to find anything useful for them.

But more on topic. The easiest team is usually an offensive powerhouse team with some stat boosters. For example, swords dance garchomp or weavile. Technician, swords dance, life orb, priority scizor. White orb, draco meteor hydriegon. Anything that can deal massive damage with minimal effort and a good amount of bulk doesnt hurt either. I prefer stall teams but if you are looking for something easy go big offensive sweepers team. But remember to use your ideas. Take advice from others if you like the idea but dont disregard what you think just because others may be more experienced. I admit I look on smogon if im having trouble and sometimes throw my own spin on it. Getting different ideas will make you a better trainer but copy and pasting will not
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Um, hello? Yes Smogon is the way to go. Competitive Pokémon play goes by Smogon rules. Official Nintendo play goes by VGC rules, and Smogon has youcovered (2 links in there not just 1). Either way you play, Smogon is the best starting point for team building as they can give you threat lists, sets for your own Pokémon to run with EV spreads and moveslots already optimized, etc. Second there is no such thing as an organic team. Teams are built based on logic and metagame analysis. You would not run 3 Grass types because you like them and they feel right to you, you would just lose all the time. Getting to use Pokémon you like is great - if you're doing it in the proper tier with the proper team support. Grabbong 6 mons that you like aesthetically or whatever is what will get you turned off of competitive battling forever because you will keep losing over and over again without ever realizing how fun it can really be.

You are right that offensive teams are easy to learn to use but remember that the "in-game mindset" is attack with high-powered moves and fill your moveslots with stuff you really shouldn't be using, like Ice Beam on an Absol. Set-up sweepers require strategy and prediction to pull off as trying to SD up with a Weavile or whatever at the wrong time will just get you nailed. For that reason I will say Bulky Offense and Semi-Stall are the best styles for new players to jump in with, as Bulky Offense is more forgiving of trying to set up at the wrong time as your sweepers can take hits, while Semi-Stall gives you walls to fall back on if the match starts to get out of control. (Also WH Hydreigon is just garbage why would you even use that?) And while using your own ideas is what will make you great in the long run doing that to start will just get you massacred. The best way to start out is exactly how he did - asking for help. Your first team should ideally be made up of either Smogon standard sets and the help of a type-balancing tool such as this one and a metagame threat list open so you know what to counter, or else made under the supervision of an experienced battler who can offer insight and help you make more unique sets that may work better while also telling you if you try something stupid so you stop doing that. For instance, Smogon will tell you to run MBanette with 252 HP/40 Def/216 Sp Def while I would tell you to put the 40 in Attack and make prolific use of Will-O-Wisp to cover your lower Defense, but either of else will tell you that running 4 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Speed with Calm Mind/Shadow Ball/Dazzling Gleam/Dark Pulse would be a terrible idea.

Anyway, the point is that the best place to start is indeed c/p. By using sets that other people made, you can start to get a feel for the meta, what works and doesn't work, etc and then you can begin adjusting things once you've sort of gotten the hang of it. Maybe you've been using a Guts Assault Vest Conkeldurr from Smogon and it rarely gets statused because people are wary of throwing Will-O-Wisps at Conk, so you switch to Iron Fist to boost up your Drain Punches, Mach Punches, and Ice Punches. Then maybe you realize that running Choice Band on your Crawdaunt might not work best for you because you always get frustrated when you want to Aqua Jet a weakened foe but you can't, so you switch to Life Orb. Then you start making more complex decisions, like deciding that your Jellicent takes attacks really well already due to its high HP and Sp Def and can already heal off damage with Recover, so you move some Sp Def EVs to Sp Atk to put more oomph behind your Scalds. Then you start Speed-creeping the Crawdaunt that now runs Life Orb so it can outspeed 0 speed Tyranitars and Scizors and Rotom-Wash. Eventually you can build your own teams and use the Smogon RMT forum or our very own Bulbagarden Battle Center to get it rated, criticized, and improved to be optimal. And then once you've gotten the hang of building your own teams, you can begin looking at lower-tier threats to add to your roster - and then, that's when you start using Pokémon that you like. With proper team support, and in a lower tier if you so wish. Getting into competitive battling can be really fun if you do it the right way with plenty of help and you make full use of the tools available to you both here on BMGf and on Smogon, but it is incredibly disheartening if you are just thrown in with vague advice like "make organic teams" and some of your advice is just plain counterintuitive like "don't use the best competitive battling site available" and "don't use the tried-and-true sets that are posted on Smogon or that other people give you, copy/pasting is bad. Use stuff that you make up even though you have no idea how effective it may be or how to optimize your EV spreads and moveslots".

Thundagere said:
I'm going to repeat the above advice a little and say that a "good team" isn't just a team of good Pokémon, it's a team controlled by a good player. Raw power isn't going to beat solid strategy any day of the week.

That said, there are some solid strategies that have been tried and tested in the past. A good starting point is to try different strategies and see what appeals to you the most. For example, I began with Sandstorm teams, which I found that I liked a lot. I moved over to Rain and Hyper Offense, and pretty much just tried out a wide variety of team types. Check out the different types of strategy and see what appeals to you the most. A good tool to use for this is Pokémon Online, which is sort of like an online battle simulator. You can test out teams there before actually making them in the game.
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This is sage advice actually, though. Try out different strategies and play styles. Use battle sims a lot, a lot-a lot. I prefer PS! but PO is great too. Again, I would recommend Bulky Offense or Semi-Stall as starting points, but be sure to introduce more layers of strategy - if you find yourself with many slow Pokémon, throw in a Trick Room Reuniclus and see if it tickles your fancy. Lots of Ground/Rock/Steel types or Pokémon with Magic Guard and Overcoat? Try Sand out for a spin. Etcetera.


Anyway I just talked a whole lot but I didn't really help you build a team at all huh? Lemme put my money where my mouth is and fix that. My normal first recommendation would be to sign up for the BBL Mentorship Program for 1on1 guidance through your first team but we are currently full, sorry. Feel free to put your name on the wait-list, though. :) However, I will still rec signing up for the BBL Season 1 when it opens to try out your team agaisnt a variety of strategies and types to see how it fares, as everyone in the BBL will be willing to help you step up your game from casual to competitive. Also be sure to keep an eye on us during the off-season while you wait for S1 so you can test your team, we've got some great stuff planned form exhibition matches designed to showcase lesser known threats to an Elite Four tournament where our Gym Leaders will fight to see who'd the best that you can keep track of as we publicize the brackets.

Now that the obligatory self-promotion is out of the way :)P) let's get started. My first question is going to be: Do you want to start with a semi-stall team or a bulky offense team (again, those are the two I'll say are easiest for new players to use)?

Glory Blaze's New Player Team Building Guide Part 1: The Core

The first thing to learn about, regardless of what style you wish to play in, is:

The Core
A core is a group of typically 2-3 Pokémon that synergize well. Cores come in two flavors, defensive and offensive. A defensive core on a Stall team might consist of Skarmory and Blissey, a powerful Physical wall in conjunction with a powerful Special wall. The basics to keep in mind when building a defensive core is that their typings match not only each other well, resisting each others weaknesses, but also their own Defenses. Drapion, for example, has stats that tend towards Physical defense, but his resistance of common Special attacking types like Ghost and Grass and weakness to the common Earthquake make him a better Special than Physical wall, especially when given an item like Assault Vest. Other Pokémon, like Avalugg and Mega Aggron, can fill roles that their typing would seem to be counterintuitive to due to their raw base stats, Abilities, and movepools. Always ask for the opinions of others before trying to shoehorn an untested mon into a defensive core in order to make sure that you're trying to wall the correct types of Pokémon with it. An offensive core might be Bisharp, Dragonite, and Chandelure. Bisharp can kill Fairy, Ice, and Rock types that threaten Dragonite and resists the Ghost, Rock and Dark moves aimed at Chandelure, and can set up Substitutes and Swords Dances on those Pokémon. Dragonite can set up Dragon Dances against Ground types that want to attack either of the other two others, and resists Water, Fighting and Fire moves aimed at the other two. Chandelure is immune to the Fighting moves that plague Bisharp and can gain a Flash Fire boost from fire moves aimed his way and can then hit hard with Specs or Scarf Overheat before switching out. Offensive cores generally consist of Pokémon with flawless neutral coverage when put together and that can set up on each others weaknesses.

Bulky Offense

Definition: Bulky Offense relies on set-up sweepers that can take hits while boosting, then hit hard. It contains no true walls but every Pokémon on a BO team can take hits and many give up moveslots to utility and support moves. This team will typically be built around an offensive core. Examples of good BO Pokémon, in no particular order, include:

(Mega) Scizor
Conkeldurr
Reuniclus
Dragonite
(Mega) Gyarados
(Mega) Tyranitar
Rotom-Wash
Rotom-Heat
Bisharp
(Mega) Blastoise
Mega Charizard X
(Mega) Venusaur
Mega Abomasnow
(Mega) Garchomp
Salamence
Steelix
Ferrothorn
Mega Aggron
Jellicent
Escavalier
Metagross
Goodra
Aegislash

and many, many more.

The main thing to keep in mind when building a Bulky Offense team is type synergy. Every Pokémon on your team can take hits and every Pokémon on your team can dish out damage, so filling in roles like sweeper/wallbreaker/wall etc is less important, but making sure that you can triumph against every Pokémon type is a must. Recovery is also ideal, as you will continually be switching to maintain offensive pressure and will get worn down fast. This makes Leftovers valuable, as well as moves like Wish, Recover, Syntesis, Morning Sun, Moonlight, and Leech Seed. Defog is a great move to carry as you will often not be setting up hazards of your own. Priority is a necessity in order to bypass your low base speed in clutch situations.

Semi-Stall

Definition: The usage of a defensive core that would be at home on a stall team to support an offensive core that wouldn't be out o place in Hyper Offense. By nature, semi-stall involves two different cores working like intermeshing gears. It is designed to control the match's momentum, deciding wether to stall with passive damage and hold back the opponent's set-up sweepers, or plow through their team with wallbreakers and sweepers. Important moves to use are Volt Switch and U-Turn, as again, it's all about momentum over here. Good choices for semi-stall include:

Forretress
Galvantula
Ferrothorn
Infernape
Hippowdon
Noivern
Mandibuzz
Greninja
Mega Aggron
Mega Manectric
Scizor
Mienshao
Ambipom
Avalugg
Blissey
Chansey
Excadrill
Starmie
(Mega) Alakazam
Gengar
Talonflame
Staraptor
Hydreigon
Rotom-Wash
Rotom-Heat
Aegislash
Mega Absol
Scolipede

and again, many more.

Volt Switch and U-Turn are important moves for both sweepers and walls to carry in semi-stall in order to control switch initiative in the match. You'll be forcing a lot of switches, so at least 1 of your 3 walls in your defensive core should carry hazards. In return, you will be switching a lot, so either one of your sweepers (Excadrill, Starmie) or one of your walls (Forretress, Avalugg) should carry Rapid Spin. Wish support is great, Baton Pass is great, status is fantastic. Everything to keep your opponents on their toes. Toxic makes them switch to prevent the counter getting too high. Baton Pass lets you give boosts to other sweepers who may be able to handle the situation better.

Let me know which style you prefer and we can work forwards from there. :)
 
Im just saying smogn is the wrong way to go because for all intents and purposes it isnt official. If you ever play a tournament it is vcg not smogon rules. And online wifi games also follow vcg rules not smogon, aside from the longer game times. So if you wanna use minimize in an online game feel free, it is very much legal no matter how much people dont like it. They are good for getting some ideas but many people think their word is law which is entirely untrue. They also have a tendency of saying their set is the ONLY set a pokemon can run which is the worst thing you can say especially to someone just learning. No one can tell you what the right set is for you. And I would never follow smogon unless you want some nonsense about how evasion is the devil and any pokemon they cant beat ends up on the ban list immediately.

And I do agree using premade sets can be a good start point but the best results come from learning how to make a set yourself that you feel comfortable with. But that will come in time. But you saying that you cant use pokemon you like is entirely wrong and so is the tier system. The tier system is once again a sign of how well smogon can use those pokemon not you, you have to try everything for yourself. If you feel you can use a NU poemon in OU than by all means go for it. A lot of the pokemon community tries to bully people into using certain tactics because they feel its the only way but that is very far from the truth.

Try out different pokemon, different sets, different strategies. Grab the six pokemon you like the most for any reason, look up their moves, possible items, their natures, their stats, pretty much learn every last thing you can about any and all pokemon and make a team you feel good about, dont just copy what everyone else does.

For example my current team is mandibuzz, dragonite, torkoal, chansey, venusaur, and cofagrigus. None of them use smogon sets, they are scattered in all different tiers and so far I am 19 and 8 with them. Not phenomenal but I made a team of pokemon I like, im not being a follower, and I am learning a lot. No matter what your team wont win 100% of the time, so mae sure at the end of the day you are gonna be happy with the team you have because you like the pokemon on it and not whether you win or lose. If you start putting too much wait on that you will always be unhappy becasue everyone loses sometimes. But I have 6 pokemon I love and all of them have been clutch despite them being less popular. Cofagrigus sweeps with a defensive cofagrigus arent common but I have done it and I can be proud of that while thousands of people are disowning their garchomp just because he didnt get a sweep like smogon promised
 
edmek55555 said:
Im just saying smogn is the wrong way to go because for all intents and purposes it isnt official. If you ever play a tournament it is vcg not smogon rules. And online wifi games also follow vcg rules not smogon, aside from the longer game times. So if you wanna use minimize in an online game feel free, it is very much legal no matter how much people dont like it. They are good for getting some ideas but many people think their word is law which is entirely untrue. They also have a tendency of saying their set is the ONLY set a pokemon can run which is the worst thing you can say especially to someone just learning. No one can tell you what the right set is for you. And I would never follow smogon unless you want some nonsense about how evasion is the devil and any pokemon they cant beat ends up on the ban list immediately.

And I do agree using premade sets can be a good start point but the best results come from learning how to make a set yourself that you feel comfortable with. But that will come in time. But you saying that you cant use pokemon you like is entirely wrong and so is the tier system. The tier system is once again a sign of how well smogon can use those pokemon not you, you have to try everything for yourself. If you feel you can use a NU poemon in OU than by all means go for it. A lot of the pokemon community tries to bully people into using certain tactics because they feel its the only way but that is very far from the truth.

Try out different pokemon, different sets, different strategies. Grab the six pokemon you like the most for any reason, look up their moves, possible items, their natures, their stats, pretty much learn every last thing you can about any and all pokemon and make a team you feel good about, dont just copy what everyone else does.

For example my current team is mandibuzz, dragonite, torkoal, chansey, venusaur, and cofagrigus. None of them use smogon sets, they are scattered in all different tiers and so far I am 19 and 8 with them. Not phenomenal but I made a team of pokemon I like, im not being a follower, and I am learning a lot. No matter what your team wont win 100% of the time, so mae sure at the end of the day you are gonna be happy with the team you have because you like the pokemon on it and not whether you win or lose. If you start putting too much wait on that you will always be unhappy becasue everyone loses sometimes. But I have 6 pokemon I love and all of them have been clutch despite them being less popular. Cofagrigus sweeps with a defensive cofagrigus arent common but I have done it and I can be proud of that while thousands of people are disowning their garchomp just because he didnt get a sweep like smogon promised
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Exsctly one of those is considered nonviable by Smogon atm, jus so you know. Hardly a bottom-of-the-barrel team. Anyways, for all intents and purposes Smogon is official. Wi-Fi battles arranged on forums and such will play by Smogon rules, from Sleep Clause to Evasion Clause. Want to play in a tournament? Check out Smogon's VGC sections to get the latest on strategies, threat lists, etc. Wanna play Rated in the Battle Spot? Check out this, Smogon's 3v3 Nintendo-rules section. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that Smogon is full of close-minded assholes who will tell you that the only way to win is by using their exact sets. Smogon is full of assholes, but they're far from close-minded. Almost every new set has been brought up on Smogon, analyzed by their competitive playerbase, etc. Crawdaunt, for example. RU last generation, this gen it's got discussion all over the place and even a pending OU analysis. I will always say: Smogon is the best site on the entire internet for competitive battling, and while they are arrogant, frankly they deserve to be. Their banlists and clauses improve the metagame, despite whiny people who complain when their favorite Pokémon are banned because now they can't win by spamming legends and overpowered crap like MegaMom. If you wanna use that stuff go to Ubers and you can, it's a Smogon supported metagame, they ren't telling you you can't use it they're telling you that it makes the game less fun for people who want to - guess what - use their favorites in a balanced metagame. Telling people to grab 6 Pokémon they like is the exact way not to make a competitive team. Telling them "Oh, you like using Tropius (or other low-tier Pokémon)? Here's some ideas on team support and sets that could be viable in OverUsed. Or here's how to make it a rockstar in a lower tier," is how to make competitive battling fun for them.

And then you just start spewing out Karenisms and ranting so I'm just going to leave you with 2 thoughts.

1. You say the tiers are based on how well Smogon can use Pokémon, not on how good they really are. If that's so, then why are the tiers based on usage statistics on PS!, where anybody - even you - can hop on and use the Pokémon they like best? Tiers are an accurate representation of which Pokémon are viable based on the collective opinion of the Pokémon community.

2. Competitive Pokémon isn't about winning and losing. It's a game of strategy, and the thrill of the fight and the exhilaration of battle make it worthwhile. You should be able to have fun playing competitive Pokémon even if you are given 6 mons out of a hat, like in Random Battles or Challenge Cup on PS!. It's not about playing with your favorite Pokémon, it's about playing with other people. People who want to use their 6 favorites, screw viability and team support, need to play in game or in casual battles. People who want to play competitively can use 1 or 2 or 3 of their favorites as long as they know what they're doing and can support them properly, and the lower tiers mean that you can use any Pokémon you want in an actual competitive metagame, so there is no such thing as a nonviable mon. Like Delibird? Hop down to NU and slap on a Choice Band and you're ready to rock. You need to realize that Smogon isn't the enemy, it's actually making it possible for Pokémon that wouldn't be used at all to find a home where they really shine.
 
-Glory Blaze- said:
edmek55555 said:
Im just saying smogn is the wrong way to go because for all intents and purposes it isnt official. If you ever play a tournament it is vcg not smogon rules. And online wifi games also follow vcg rules not smogon, aside from the longer game times. So if you wanna use minimize in an online game feel free, it is very much legal no matter how much people dont like it. They are good for getting some ideas but many people think their word is law which is entirely untrue. They also have a tendency of saying their set is the ONLY set a pokemon can run which is the worst thing you can say especially to someone just learning. No one can tell you what the right set is for you. And I would never follow smogon unless you want some nonsense about how evasion is the devil and any pokemon they cant beat ends up on the ban list immediately.

And I do agree using premade sets can be a good start point but the best results come from learning how to make a set yourself that you feel comfortable with. But that will come in time. But you saying that you cant use pokemon you like is entirely wrong and so is the tier system. The tier system is once again a sign of how well smogon can use those pokemon not you, you have to try everything for yourself. If you feel you can use a NU poemon in OU than by all means go for it. A lot of the pokemon community tries to bully people into using certain tactics because they feel its the only way but that is very far from the truth.

Try out different pokemon, different sets, different strategies. Grab the six pokemon you like the most for any reason, look up their moves, possible items, their natures, their stats, pretty much learn every last thing you can about any and all pokemon and make a team you feel good about, dont just copy what everyone else does.

For example my current team is mandibuzz, dragonite, torkoal, chansey, venusaur, and cofagrigus. None of them use smogon sets, they are scattered in all different tiers and so far I am 19 and 8 with them. Not phenomenal but I made a team of pokemon I like, im not being a follower, and I am learning a lot. No matter what your team wont win 100% of the time, so mae sure at the end of the day you are gonna be happy with the team you have because you like the pokemon on it and not whether you win or lose. If you start putting too much wait on that you will always be unhappy becasue everyone loses sometimes. But I have 6 pokemon I love and all of them have been clutch despite them being less popular. Cofagrigus sweeps with a defensive cofagrigus arent common but I have done it and I can be proud of that while thousands of people are disowning their garchomp just because he didnt get a sweep like smogon promised
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Exsctly one of those is considered nonviable by Smogon atm, jus so you know. Hardly a bottom-of-the-barrel team. Anyways, for all intents and purposes Smogon is official. Wi-Fi battles arranged on forums and such will play by Smogon rules, from Sleep Clause to Evasion Clause. Want to play in a tournament? Check out Smogon's VGC sections to get the latest on strategies, threat lists, etc. Wanna play Rated in the Battle Spot? Check out this, Smogon's 3v3 Nintendo-rules section. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that Smogon is full of close-minded assholes who will tell you that the only way to win is by using their exact sets. Smogon is full of assholes, but they're far from close-minded. Almost every new set has been brought up on Smogon, analyzed by their competitive playerbase, etc. Crawdaunt, for example. RU last generation, this gen it's got discussion all over the place and even a pending OU analysis. I will always say: Smogon is the best site on the entire internet for competitive battling, and while they are arrogant, frankly they deserve to be. Their banlists and clauses improve the metagame, despite whiny people who complain when their favorite Pokémon are banned because now they can't win by spamming legends and overpowered crap like MegaMom. If you wanna use that stuff go to Ubers and you can, it's a Smogon supported metagame, they ren't telling you you can't use it they're telling you that it makes the game less fun for people who want to - guess what - use their favorites in a balanced metagame. Telling people to grab 6 Pokémon they like is the exact way not to make a competitive team. Telling them "Oh, you like using Tropius (or other low-tier Pokémon)? Here's some ideas on team support and sets that could be viable in OverUsed. Or here's how to make it a rockstar in a lower tier," is how to make competitive battling fun for them.

And then you just start spewing out Karenisms and ranting so I'm just going to leave you with 2 thoughts.

1. You say the tiers are based on how well Smogon can use Pokémon, not on how good they really are. If that's so, then why are the tiers based on usage statistics on PS!, where anybody - even you - can hop on and use the Pokémon they like best? Tiers are an accurate representation of which Pokémon are viable based on the collective opinion of the Pokémon community.

2. Competitive Pokémon isn't about winning and losing. It's a game of strategy, and the thrill of the fight and the exhilaration of battle make it worthwhile. You should be able to have fun playing competitive Pokémon even if you are given 6 mons out of a hat, like in Random Battles or Challenge Cup on PS!. It's not about playing with your favorite Pokémon, it's about playing with other people. People who want to use their 6 favorites, screw viability and team support, need to play in game or in casual battles. People who want to play competitively can use 1 or 2 or 3 of their favorites as long as they know what they're doing and can support them properly, and the lower tiers mean that you can use any Pokémon you want in an actual competitive metagame, so there is no such thing as a nonviable mon. Like Delibird? Hop down to NU and slap on a Choice Band and you're ready to rock. You need to realize that Smogon isn't the enemy, it's actually making it possible for Pokémon that wouldn't be used at all to find a home where they really shine.
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By that logic you could play any game online and it has nothing to do with pokemon. Having fun on pokemon does to some extent depend on what pokemon you use because you have the experience of training them and doing everything you can to make them the best they can be. And idk where you are getting the smogon rules thing but if you go to a random wifi match smogon rules are entirely irrelevant. And as for tiers idc what smogon says if I wanna face garchomp with a mandibuzz I will do exactly that.

Smogon needs to get over itself plain and simple. its not official and never will be. You wouldnt last one battle in a tournament
 
Except that matches that use Smogon rules are pre organized. Random wifi battles obviously use nintendo rules. But organized matches usually use Smogon rules. VGC is organized by nintendo and uses nintendo rules.
 
If you ask a stranger on BMGf for a battle and whip out a Moody Glalie you probably won't be getting any more battles. It's not enforced but it's common courtesy to follow Smogon rules if you haven't established otherwise before hand.

Also Mandibuzz is OU what're you talking about xD
 
1. just rechecked to make sure and mandibuzz is never and rarely used. And 2. why would you use smogon rules if it isnt used in nintendo online battles or nintendo tournaments? Its because most people are scared of evasion or mega kangaskhan and dont wish to put any effort into figuring out how to beat them. Smogon is just a group of QQers who make up their own rules because they cant play by anyone elses. If you cant win unless the ball is in your court than you arent very good to begin with
 
Mandibuzz is OU in gen 6.
Also, I'd suggest you look at their philosophy before you continue bashing them.
 
edmek55555 said:
1. just rechecked to make sure and mandibuzz is never and rarely used. And 2. why would you use smogon rules if it isnt used in nintendo online battles or nintendo tournaments? Its because most people are scared of evasion or mega kangaskhan and dont wish to put any effort into figuring out how to beat them. Smogon is just a group of QQers who make up their own rules because they cant play by anyone elses. If you cant win unless the ball is in your court than you arent very good to begin with
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xD Voila, the XY OU tier:

UU Banlist:
Aegislash, Alakazam, Azumarill, Bisharp, Blissey, Breloom, Charizard, Clefable, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Donphan, Dragonite, Espeon, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Forretress, Galvantula, Garchomp, Genesect, Gengar, Gliscor, Goodra, Greninja, Gyarados, Heatran, Infernape, Klefki, Landorus-Therian, Latios, Lucario, Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Mawile, Pinsir, Rotom-Wash, Sableye, Salamence, Scizor, Skarmory, Smeargle, Starmie, Sylveon, Talonflame, Tentacruel, Thundurus, Togekiss, Trevenant, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Volcarona

+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Percent |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1 | Rotom-Wash | 23.102% |
| 2 | Talonflame | 17.145% |
| 3 | Lucario | 14.874% |
| 4 | Aegislash | 14.514% |
| 5 | Genesect | 14.092% |
| 6 | Greninja | 13.160% |
| 7 | Heatran | 12.448% |
| 8 | Garchomp | 12.304% |
| 9 | Scizor | 11.990% |
| 10 | Excadrill | 11.100% |
| 11 | Ferrothorn | 11.004% |
| 12 | Gengar | 10.972% |
| 13 | Gliscor | 10.832% |
| 14 | Tyranitar | 10.684% |
| 15 | Azumarill | 10.043% |
| 16 | Dragonite | 9.912% |
| 17 | Charizard | 8.931% |
| 18 | Skarmory | 7.986% |
| 19 | Landorus-Therian | 6.968% |
| 20 | Alakazam | 6.726% |
| 21 | Gyarados | 6.674% |
| 22 | Kangaskhan | 6.667% |
| 23 | Espeon | 6.662% |
| 24 | Breloom | 6.259% |
| 25 | Trevenant | 6.049% |
| 26 | Conkeldurr | 6.025% |
| 27 | Venusaur | 5.752% |
| 28 | Togekiss | 5.702% |
| 29 | Volcarona | 5.668% |
| 30 | Goodra | 5.585% |
| 31 | Mamoswine | 5.557% |
| 32 | Mandibuzz | 5.115% |
| 33 | Latios | 4.977% |
| 34 | Cloyster | 4.913% |
| 35 | Infernape | 4.882% |
| 36 | Blissey | 4.850% |
| 37 | Donphan | 4.843% |
| 38 | Klefki | 4.665% |
| 39 | Thundurus | 4.412% |
| 40 | Pinsir | 4.359% |
| 41 | Sylveon | 4.156% |
| 42 | Starmie | 4.152% |
| 43 | Mawile | 4.132% |
| 44 | Forretress | 4.070% |
| 45 | Clefable | 4.005% |
| 46 | Smeargle | 3.912% |
| 47 | Tentacruel | 3.807% |
| 48 | Sableye | 3.787% |
| 49 | Salamence | 3.593% |
| 50 | Galvantula | 3.564% |

(disclaimer these usage stats are a bit old, they are the ones used to determine the initial XY OU tier. Mandi's current usage is a little higher than that now: | 19 | Mandibuzz | 8.64025% | 392938 | 6.923% | 319459 | 7.067% | )

Note how Mandibuzz's usage is well above 3.41%, I bolded it for you.

As for the rest of your post, well, as they say, "don't feed the trolls". GB out, until someone decides to talk about actually helping this fellow build a team. :)
 
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If you'd like to battle some Smogon players id certainly be happy to oblige. I think your overestimating your skill and underestimating ours.
 
Now, back on topic.

If you want help building a team, I'd like to direct you to the BBL Mentorship Program. Leave a pst there and one of our mentors will get back to you.
 
[video=youtube;tWA4DOcG4e8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWA4DOcG4e8[/video]
This video is pretty helpful if you ask me and presents the information in understandable language.

Basically what you might want to do is:
  1. Find a pokemon that you really like. It should be an OU pokemon, but lower tiers can sometimes survive in OU too.
  2. Figure out what types the pokemon is weak too and add some pokemon that counteract the weakness
  3. If there's a type that two or more of your pokemon are weak too and you have no counters to that type, consider switching those pokemon out or just adding a counter
  4. Test the team out online on Pokemon Online or Showdown and see how it performs
  5. If there's a specific pokemon that's giving you a hard time, make a strategy to counter it! (Add or remove pokemon, moves, items, etc.)
  6. Once you've got your team set up on simulators, start building it in your game!

OR you could make it in the same way I made my team:
  • Setup or Rapid Spinner (to remove the other team's setups)
  • Physical Attacker
  • Physical Wall
  • Special Attacker
  • Special Wall
  • Sweeper/Cleanup/Etc.

I hope this helps at least a little...
 
BadAssKoala said:
If you'd like to battle some Smogon players id certainly be happy to oblige. I think your overestimating your skill and underestimating ours.
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No, im not amazing but im not terrible. And smogon players may or may not be skilled. no one will ever know because they just copy and paste a set they saw on the internet, no skill involved. Thats why when I see a garchomp I know its gg and I win the majority of the time. For the poor fellow who made this thread here is what you need How to Start Competitive Battling - Becoming a Beginner! - YouTube
 
That is exactly not what he needs since Verlisify is a violently anti-Smogon attention whore who knows nothing about real competitive battling. "Smogon is not competitive, waaah, when they host paid world tournaments with cash prizes then they can be competitive because money is the only thing that matters and I only play Pokémon and post controversial things so I get views and YouTube pays me!" I know I said I would not feed the troll any more but just letting new players know that anything contained in that YouTube channel is garbage and to be avoided. Feel free to argue with me, edmek, but please don't try to lead the new players astray. Thanks. :)

EDIT: And to stay on topic, if you do want to look to PokéTubers for ideas, the best include shofu, Haydunn, Pokéaim MD, shadypenguinn, PIMPNITE, etc
 
And especially PIMPNITE because the Smogon philosophy states: "It should be noted, however, that the player who uses a lesser Pokémon and still attains victory consistently is rewarded with the utmost respect"
I've never seen anyone consistently win with a Tropius.
 
The Poketubers I Recommend are
-Shadypenguinn
-PIMPNITE
-ThePikaWu
-Haydunn
-E-Lo
-TamashiiHiroka

All these youtubers will give you an UNBIASED view of the meta. They also use STRATEGY that doesn't abuse sleep or evasion. They give excellent views on pokemon and watching them can help improve your battling.
 
AnybodyAgrees said:
And especially PIMPNITE because the Smogon philosophy states: "It should be noted, however, that the player who uses a lesser Pokémon and still attains victory consistently is rewarded with the utmost respect"
I've never seen anyone consistently win with a Tropius.
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Shadypenguinn is a favorite of mine for his use of Torkoal and Crawdaunt to great effect. :)
 
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