eeveelotion learnsets

[sixy]

What should we do with eeveelotions' learnset from inheritance of eeevee? Currently, jolteon doesn't have
- Baton Pass
- Take Down
- Trump Card
- Bite

In their learnset, all of which they can have at any level through inheritance with eevees (I am breeding eevees and have tested this myself). Should they be classified as "start" moves, moves by breeding, or omitted entirely? I can't think of any other examples of pokemon learning moves their evolutions don't, so I can't use any pages as an example.

 

[F-22]

None of those moves are part of Jolteon's level-up moves nor are they classified as egg moves, so they are omitted entirely. That doesn't mean that Jolteon is incapable of having these moves, it's just assumed that the Eevee will be evolved with those moves.

I can't think of any other examples of pokemon learning moves their evolutions don't, so I can't use any pages as an example.

Try pretty much any Pokemon that evolves using a stone (especially in gen 1), as well as Shedinja. There's numerous others but I can't think of them right now.

 

[MisterE13]

We've had discussions about this before actually.

 

[sixy]

None of those moves are part of Jolteon's level-up moves nor are they classified as egg moves, so they are omitted entirely. That doesn't mean that Jolteon is incapable of having these moves, it's just assumed that the Eevee will be evolved with those moves.



Try pretty much any Pokemon that evolves using a stone (especially in gen 1), as well as Shedinja. There's numerous others but I can't think of them right now.

So it's intended like this? I initially thought learnset was defined as any move which can be learned (and passed on), either through inheritance or by leveling up, as I've read posts referring to move inheritance as working for "moves both the offspring and parents can learn", but a jolteon-bred eevee should also yield these same moves.

We've had discussions about this before actually.

Did they reach a consensus? I cannot think of a reason not to have these moves on the page as it seems incomplete. Before my eevees were in their 50s, I didn't think jolteon could learn baton pass (didn't look at eevee's learnset) and it came as a huge surprise when suddenly all my bred eevees started with it.

 

[Sketch]

Did they reach a consensus? I cannot think of a reason not to have these moves on the page as it seems incomplete. Before my eevees were in their 50s, I didn't think jolteon could learn baton pass (didn't look at eevee's learnset) and it came as a huge surprise when suddenly all my bred eevees started with it.

The consensus was that if you want to see the moves a previous evolution had and what the evolution can have just look at that Pokemon.

 

[Jioruji Derako]

Eevee (and its evolutions) aren't the only Pokémon that can learn certain moves only in earlier evolutions; for example, Monferno can learn Slack Off, but Infernape cannot. (of course, a Monferno with Slack Off will evolve into an Infernape with Slack Off.)

As it is currently, it's very hard to fit pre-evolution moves into the movesets; as a rule, we currently only list the moves each Pokémon can learn, but not moves they could potentially have.
It was brought up earlier though (having a list of these "prevo" moves on each Pokémon's page makes training easier), so it's something that will likely find its way into a newer version of the movesets template.

 

[sixy]

As it is currently, it's very hard to fit pre-evolution moves into the movesets; as a rule, we currently only list the moves each Pokémon can learn, but not moves they could potentially have.

Then no evolved pokemon should have inherited 'egg' moves in their learnset as they don't learn them (their previous evolution does, if you could say they learn them at all).

But if it has been accepted as standard, I'll refer to their previous evolutions in the future.

 

[TTEchidna]

It's a learnset, not a haveset. It's why I don't really want to put all the special moves that can be had by events, like Roar of Time and Spacial Rend on Darkrai. We don't need all the information on the same page.

Egg moves, meanwhile, are programmed in for the evolved forms regardless of their inability to hatch from an egg legitimately.

Basically, my logic is that if you're looking for moves on an Infernape, you have an Infernape, and don't want to know what you could have learned prior to evolution because you can't un-evolve a Pokémon. If you wanted that... you'd look at the previous form.