Effective EV-training / tips / orientation

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I have mid knowledge in how to EV train, I'd appreciate some orientation...

For example, I'm focused in Maractus and Vanilluxe...
The thing is they're being beaten by Conkeldurr for example or a Pokémon that has Flare Blitz. I had a hard time with an Infernape.
For Maractus it's hard to beat Amoonguss and Swoobat.

I suppose the right thing is to provide coverage to special and physical attacks for both... Mainly Flying / Bug / Fire / Ice for Maractus and Fighting / Fire for Vanilluxe, etc... So I'm EV-training Defense and Sp. Defense. As both have good Sp. Attack I'm going with Special Attacks and decreasing the Attack stat via the EV-reducing berries.

Is there any way at least for Maractus to survive a Close Combat?
I suppose Flare Blitz is out of question...?

The movesets (the HPs have about 56-58 power):
Maractus: Sunny Day | SolarBeam | Giga Drain | Hidden Power Ground
Vanilluxe: Hidden Power Psychic | Blizzard | Ice Beam | Flash Cannon

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You should train Maractus 252 HP/4 SpA/252 Spe

Vanilluxe: 4 HP/252 Spa/252 SpD

Hope this helps you
 
What does the 4 stands for?

And that's it? Nothing for the other stats?

HP for Maractus instead of the defenses? And where are the Vanilluxe defenses?
 
rafaelluik said:
What does the 4 stands for?

And that's it? Nothing for the other stats?

HP for Maractus instead of the defenses? And where are the Vanilluxe defenses?
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those 4 are extra evs which can be piled anywhere you like.

Investing in hp will actually give you more overall defenses than investing solely in defenses.
 
Thanks... I want to understand the mechanics so I can set the training for another Pokémon myself...

CommandurrClowncrete said:
rafaelluik said:
HP for Maractus instead of the defenses?
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Investing in hp will actually give you more overall defenses than investing solely in defenses.
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Really? :eh:

Because when you first replied I was thinking that something like that could apply:
In the base stats Maractus has more HP than the defenses so it's wiser to increase the HP, while Vanilluxe has lower HP than the defenses so increasing the defenses is the most effective way... (??)
 
Giving them EV-reducing berries will do nothing because they have nothing to reduce... I mean, if you don't put EVs in Attack to them, there are no EVs in Attack to lower.

Also, I recommend you to avoid using two or more offensive moves of the same type in the same moveset. Your Vanilluxe, for example, has Blizzard and Ice Beam. I'd erase Blizzard, because, while it is more powerful, it has way less accuracy. Ice Beam, on the other hand, is very powerful and has 100% of Accuracy. I'd replace Blizzard with Water Pulse, so you're able to deal with Fire and Rock types, which are super-effective against Vanilluxe. Plus, it can leave the target confused.
 
If you don't know. The stats you don't deside to EV train in end up being really bad, like if you were just using Rare Candies.

It's just somethin' I found. I don't know if yer lookn' for tips fer yer team, or what, but here.
 
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Giving them EV-reducing berries will do nothing because they have nothing to reduce... I mean, if you don't put EVs in Attack to them, there are no EVs in Attack to lower.

Also, I recommend you to avoid using two or more offensive moves of the same type in the same moveset. Your Vanilluxe, for example, has Blizzard and Ice Beam. I'd erase Blizzard, because, while it is more powerful, it has way less accuracy. Ice Beam, on the other hand, is very powerful and has 100% of Accuracy. I'd replace Blizzard with Water Pulse, so you're able to deal with Fire and Rock types, which are super-effective against Vanilluxe. Plus, it can leave the target confused.
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They had some Attack EVs because I used them throughout the game. ;)

It's impossible to put Water Pulse on him now. It's a move acquired by breed (and from an earlier generation).
Hyper Beam or Explosion would be interesting though, what do you think?

Shiny Shinx said:
If you don't know. The stats you don't deside to EV train in end up being really bad, like if you were just using Rare Candies.

It's just somethin' I found. I don't know if yer lookn' for tips fer yer team, or what, but here.
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I haven't understood a word!
 
Okay, first off, what is confusing you about EV training? I used to have a lot of problems with it myself, but once the whole concept was explained to me, it made a lot more sense.

Maybe having EV training explained to you as a whole might help some, and then you can ask questions from there. :)
 
There's no need to explain everything. I've read this guide on Smogon and it's quite clear.

The only things I'm doubtful about are:
1. Which EVs to train: HP or the defenses?
2. Should I really EV-train only two-three stats and simply have 0 in the others?
 
If you want the overall tricks, I got a time-consuming, but fail-proof method.

1. Challenge and re-challenge every single trainer on earth - and I mean EVERYBODY
2. Save up all the prize money
3. Buy vitamins.
4. Use vitamins.

End of story
 
Destiny Queen said:
If you want the overall tricks, I got a time-consuming, but fail-proof method.

1. Challenge and re-challenge every single trainer on earth - and I mean EVERYBODY
2. Save up all the prize money
3. Buy vitamins.
4. Use vitamins.

End of story
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I don't need to be an expert to know everything you said is wrong (or incomplete at least).

1. This isn't the good way of EV-training. You must battle specific Pokémon to get the needed EVs.
4. You may use vitamins up to a point but for reaching the true EV limit the only thing you can do really is training or using feathers.
 
rafaelluik said:
Anser said:
Giving them EV-reducing berries will do nothing because they have nothing to reduce... I mean, if you don't put EVs in Attack to them, there are no EVs in Attack to lower.

Also, I recommend you to avoid using two or more offensive moves of the same type in the same moveset. Your Vanilluxe, for example, has Blizzard and Ice Beam. I'd erase Blizzard, because, while it is more powerful, it has way less accuracy. Ice Beam, on the other hand, is very powerful and has 100% of Accuracy. I'd replace Blizzard with Water Pulse, so you're able to deal with Fire and Rock types, which are super-effective against Vanilluxe. Plus, it can leave the target confused.
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They had some Attack EVs because I used them throughout the game. ;)

It's impossible to put Water Pulse on him now. It's a move acquired by breed (and from an earlier generation).
Hyper Beam or Explosion would be interesting though, what do you think?
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Ah, sorry! I thought they were brand new Pokémon, recently hatched or caught. Yeah, that's the problem, it can only get it from Glalie, I think. You could always ask for a Glalie that knows Water Pulse at the Breeding Center here in Bulbapedia if you really want it, but if you want to keep the Vanilluxe you already have, no problem! Explosion is a good move for Pokémon that are very fast, so you use it when you know you're dying in the next turn. Also, consider that it's a physical move, while you're training your Vanilluxe to be a special attacker. I'm not against Explosion, I'm just saying you could explore other options before teaching it to it. About Hyper Beam, it's a good move, but always remember you'll have to recharge next turn, leaving you wide open to any incoming attacks. What do you say about some stalling with Toxic? Or maybe some healing with Hail? (Given your Vanilluxe's ability is Ice Body). You could pair Hail with Leftovers to recover even more each turn.
 
Ah, I won't be getting a new one, there's no need.

Oh I said I was using EV-reducing berries, sorry, I'm not yet (still getting some of them from the DW before starting). I just wanted to tell you my original plan.

These strategies look good...
I'll think better about the moves after I see the results of EV-training in battles to check what is weak and I could improve...
 
rafaelluik said:
There's no need to explain everything. I've read this guide on Smogon and it's quite clear.

The only things I'm doubtful about are:
1. Which EVs to train: HP or the defenses?
2. Should I really EV-train only two-three stats and simply have 0 in the others?
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1) Hp if you want more overall defense and only def if you want higher def. I would recommend smogon's ev distribution if you are not sure which to do.

2) Yes. What is the point of investing in attack on something like vanniluxe? If you distribute your evs uniformly among all its stats, you Pokemon will not specialize in anything particular and will be more like "jack of all, master of none."
 
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