Extremespeed Dragonite Discussion

[Dave B]

Hi, jut wondering if all my fellow Dragonite fans were OVERJOYED at the prospect of Dragonite getting extremespeed from HG/SS.

Finally has something over Salamence. Personally think we'll see a sizable rise in Nite usage. I mean, look how vital it is to Lucario's success.


Personally, I'm going to save a slot for it in HG, then SR for Adamant.

I'll probably go for this spread: 252 Attack, 240 Speed 16 HP. Although that's assuming I get a 31 Speed IV...... If not I'll just go 252 Speed

Dragon Dance,
Extremespeed,
Outrage,
Fire Punch,

 

[Jimiinthesky]

hmmmmmm it's got gonna change thaaat much
it already has things over salamence, bulk and superpower, the best salamence can do is learn brick break, and my dragonite quite often survives hidden power ice, whereas salamence has nooooo chance.

does dragonite learn swords dance? if it does, i could see an increased usage of swords dance/extremespeed dragonite. if not, theres no point in having extremespeed because dragon dance ups your speed anyway, so the only point would be to take down fragile scarf killers, that are actually quite rare

 

[Dave B]

Actually, jimiinthesky, you forget the near omnipresent Ice Shard (a priority move itself) and other priority moves. And the fact that Nite doesn't always have the time to DD. Plus there are the scarfers and base 130's to take into account. He could really use Intimidate though...... Ah well.

That I know of, there are only four more powerful priority move users in the entire game:
Sucker Punch Absol, Sucker Punch Honchcrow, Extremespeed Rayquaza and Normal Extremespeed Arceus.

The extremespeeders are banned to Ubers, and Suckerpunch shares a priority tier with Extremespeed anyway.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

well a non-stabbed non-boosted extremespeed wont be any good to anyone, with dragonite you have to find time to set up a dragon dance or two, with use of prediction and maybe a focus sash. ice shard is used by either weavile, who will outspeed you anyway, and mamoswine, who i'm guessing will even survive a 2X boosted extremespeed.

i'm not saying it's not useful at all, i'm just saying it's not going to change that much, it's got it's uses, it can take care of fragile very very fast pokemon, but i think i'll stick with outrage

 

[Dilophosaurus Rex]

Yeah, I doubt ExtremeSpeed Dragonite will change that much, to be honest.

Aqua Jet Feraligatr, on the other hand, might stir up some dirt. Swords Dance + STAB + Priority + Torrent (eventual) might push Feraligatr up into OU at last.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

i could see a sub-attack uping berry set for feraligatr, much like empoleon, but swords dance instead for agiilty

sort of, sub down till 1 hp, and get in a swords dance on the way, then aqua jet with two 1.5 boosts and 3 attack up's, that sounds OU to me :|

 

[Dave B]

No, actually. I have a Mamoswine myself and trust me, their defenses are horrible. With just one Dragon Dance, Nite will outspeed Weavile so that's not a problem. Remember, 134 Base attack plus Life Orb is gonna hurt no matter what. Most things that Nite will be using it against are very frail anyway. Remember the ease of getting a single Dragon Dance off with Dragonite.

You guys are probably right, I just really love Dragonite, and hope this changes things for him coz he deserves it (He's been pasted since gen 1, he finally makes it to OU in gen 3 and Salamence and Flygon appear to steal his thunder. I love Flygon Salamence too (I have a CBMence), don't get me wrong, but I think the meta-game needs some more variety

Then again, Blaziken (the most awesome Pokemon of all time) deserves some improvements as well (Energy Ball/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam, Close Combat, things like that), instead he gets Featherdance. ARRRGGGGGGGGHHHH.

But you know Game Freak, the same people who denied Mewtwo Nasty Plot IN THREE CONSECUTIVE GAMES (considering the whole of the first movie was one giant Nasty Plot is a bit ironic). It'll probably never happen. I hate you so much, Infernape. Ah well, Nite, you'll just have to stick with Blaziken and Gardevoir in the massively ignored by the developers category.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

'Remember the ease of getting a single Dragon Dance off with Dragonite.'

'And the fact that Nite doesn't always have the time to DD.'

lol

i think 110 HP 80 def is enough ah ha thats almost wall standards.

i just did a calculation in fact, after one dragon dance, you do between 65-75 damage
after two, you do between 85 and 100.28%, which is a tiiiiiny chance to KO, and thats with perfect iv's, adamant and life orb on dragonite, and no HP ev's on mamoswine, which mamoswines usually have a little bit of

 

[Dilophosaurus Rex]

i could see a sub-attack uping berry set for feraligatr, much like empoleon, but swords dance instead for agiilty

sort of, sub down till 1 hp, and get in a swords dance on the way, then aqua jet with two 1.5 boosts and 3 attack up's, that sounds OU to me :|

Yeah. It's like the new Bullet Punching Scizor!

 

[Jimiinthesky]

lol it's not quite as easy to set up as scizor, and it doesnt have technitian, but it will be good

 

[DRWS!]

I see Dragonite being used mainly as an anti-lead:

Dragonite @ Focus Sash or Lum Berry
Inner Focus
Rash
4Atk//252SpA//252Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Extremespeed
-Fire Blast
-Hidden Power Grass

DM + ES takes out all Focus Sash users. Focus Sash helps against Stone Edge users (Aero), whereas Lum Berry helps against Smeargle/Roserade. Fire Blast 2HKOs Metagross, Fire Blast + ES for Roserade, and Hidden Power Grass takes care of Swampert, and HP Grass with a DM after kills Hippowdon.

Azelf: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Metagross: Fire Blast twice
Jirachi: Fire Blast twice, Inner Focus saves you from Iron Head flinchhax
Aerodactyl: Draco Meteor/Thunderbolt + Extremespeed
Swampert: Hidden Power Grass twice
Infernape: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Ninjask: Draco Meteor/Fire Blast + Extremespeed
Roserade: Fire Blast + Extremespeed
Smeargle: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Hippowdon: Draco Meteor twice or Hidden Power + DM

 

[Dave B]

I just meant that, while it usually has time to get DD's off , it's not guaranteed. Still, there is always hope for Gen 5 movepool improvements.

 

[Mijzelffan]

I see Dragonite being used mainly as an anti-lead:

Dragonite @ Focus Sash or Lum Berry
Inner Focus
Rash
4Atk//252SpA//252Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Extremespeed
-Fire Blast
-Hidden Power Grass

DM + ES takes out all Focus Sash users. Focus Sash helps against Stone Edge users (Aero), whereas Lum Berry helps against Smeargle/Roserade. Fire Blast 2HKOs Metagross, Fire Blast + ES for Roserade, and Hidden Power Grass takes care of Swampert, and HP Grass with a DM after kills Hippowdon.

Azelf: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Metagross: Fire Blast twice
Jirachi: Fire Blast twice, Inner Focus saves you from Iron Head flinchhax
Aerodactyl: Draco Meteor/Thunderbolt + Extremespeed
Swampert: Hidden Power Grass twice
Infernape: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Ninjask: Draco Meteor/Fire Blast + Extremespeed
Roserade: Fire Blast + Extremespeed
Smeargle: Draco Meteor + Extremespeed
Hippowdon: Draco Meteor twice or Hidden Power + DM

I think you're relying a bit too much on fire blasts accuracy, so I don't know if that might be replaced by flamethrower by some people. But you're probably right. And you're sure about Rash nature (with hp ice and stuff luring)?

 

[DRWS!]

The majority of top lads carry Physical attacks, and any special ones seem to be resisted (Roserade's Leaf Storm, for example), so I'd prefer the extra Defence, but I guess it's just personal preference

 

[DerMißingno]

I don't think he's going to become more used then Salamence since Extremespeed can't really replace the job that Salamence does, but I think he will be used for other purposes. He could possibly be a revenge killer, but I think people would start to expect Extremespeed very quickly and switch out when they see him. Maybe a set like this:

DD
Extremespeed
Outrage
Earthquake/Fire Blast

That sacrifices coverage for a possible revenge kill, but if you predict a switch you can set up a free DD. Or how about a CB set?

Dragonite @ Choice Band
Outrage
Extremespeed
Fire Punch
Earthquake

All of his previous coverage, now with a possible high powered priority move.

Also, I dig the anti-lead idea a lot. He might have a problem if he goes up against a 252 Spe Mamoswine or a Weavile, but it looks pretty solid and it's probably going to be one of the first competitive pokemon I build in HGSS.

 

[Railith]

Extreme Speed let's Dragonite have a great move for choice sets. I think it's a little more subjective in the regular DD set. You probably should only have it on Dragonite if you don't have a priority move on your team or are worried about ice sharders.

 

[The Outrage]

If Extremespeed were Dragon type and he got Swords Dance maybe :/

Honestly, who uses Dragon Dance and a speed priority move? Its better filled with Roost. Likr I said in the other thread, allowing it to learn Reflect/Light Screen through TM rather than chain breeding would be better.
@Lum Berry
-Dragon Dance
-Light Screen
-Roost
-Outrage

Garchomp survices ice with a Yache berry, imagine what Dragonite can do with Light Screen and Roost. Obviously lategame where Steels and any other threat is weakened or defeated.

I'm only excited in the fact that this further outlines its similarities to the King of Dragjns, Rayquaza.

 

[Ararararagi-san]

If Extremespeed were Dragon type and he got Swords Dance maybe :/

Honestly, who uses Dragon Dance and a speed priority move? Its better filled with Roost. Likr I said in the other thread, allowing it to learn Reflect/Light Screen through TM rather than chain breeding would be better.
@Lum Berry
-Dragon Dance
-Light Screen
-Roost
-Outrage

Garchomp survices ice with a Yache berry, imagine what Dragonite can do with Light Screen and Roost. Obviously lategame where Steels and any other threat is weakened or defeated.

I'm only excited in the fact that this further outlines its similarities to the King of Dragjns, Rayquaza.

rayguaza had a baby with some random dragon poke around. and thus, the dragonite line was born! use their awesome speed dratini, dragonair and dragonite fight the forces of gym leaders!