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Yamato_Ishida

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Hello. I was wondering if some people could help me. I love the insectoid earth dragon to death, but I've never been able to figure out a moveset I liked for competitive purposes. Does anybody here have any ideas on using it in a way unique to Garchomp, a way to make it stand out and serve a different purpose?

Even if your not sure your stuff is all that unique, throw it out, I'd appreciate some discussion on the topic. I'm sure I'm not the only player that would like to get to use Flygon more in a competitive, OU arena.
 
Hmm... I have 2 with these movesets, does this help at all?:

Flygon 1 @Quick Claw: Brave (increased Attack, Decreased Speed)

Flamethrower
Earthquake
Toxic
Stone Edge

Has posion, Rock, Ground and Fire moves

Flygon 2: Quiet (Increased Sp Attack Decreased Speed)
Fire Blast/Dragon Pulse (whichever is better)
Sandstorm
Dig
Fly

Has fire, Ground, Flying moves

Edit, a third Flygon idea:

Flygon 3 @Lum Berry: Quiet (Increased Sp Attack Decreased Speed)
Fire Blast
Sandstorm
Roost
Draco Metor

Sandstorm for buffetting (works for stopping Shedinjas)
 
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w00t! A Flygon fan! *high five*

Competitive Flygon has three advantages over Garchomp:

Levitate With this Flygon is immune/resistant to three of the most common attack types; Ground, Electric, and Fire, it will also be immune to Spikes/Toxic Spikes. That makes it good for switching.

Roost Free HP recovery, (Since Flygon isn't a Flying-type, it gets none of the drawback of Roost) granted, Flygon is not really built for tanking, but in ideal conditions this move can be invaluable.

U-turn Great if prediction is your forté. A common stratagem when predicting your opponent is about to switch in Skarmory, is to use U-turn to bring in Magnezone, which Traps Skarmory with Magnet Pull, and the rest is history.

I've used this Flygon set for a while:
Earthquake
Flamethrower (I am paranoid about Fire Blast's accuracy, I'm thinking about putting U-turn here)
Roost
Draco Meteor (for a high-damage attack, and something to take care of other Dragons that may appear)

Smogon has a pretty unique stall set for Flygon.
 
This is what my Flygon has, not the best choice ever, but it's cool and slightly unpredictable. ... Though outclassed by Salamence. <_<

Flygon @ Choice Specs
Nature: Modest (Go with Timid if you want a +Spd nature)
~ Draco Meteor
~ Earthquake
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Flamethrower

This could probably go in the RMT thread though =/
 
rawr:

Flygon@Life Orb
Levitate
Naughty
252 Atk, 80 SAtk, 176 Spd
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor/U-Turn

Outpaces neutral nature base 90s; maxes Atk since it's the main stat; and the rest are given to SAtk to make Fire Blast and Draco Meteor stronger. A +Spd nature is not used since base 90s run Adamant/Modest, and base 102+s run a + Spd nature, meaning you won't be outpacing them anyway. Dragon/Ground/Fire form an unresisted type coverage. U-Turn provides scouting while Draco Meteor takes care of physical walls.
 
I like Screech with U-turn on Flygon, especially on a team with entry hazards (Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes). Screech lowers their defense which leaves them open for a powerful attack, or forces them to switch out. That's when you use U-turn.

Either they stay in and you use U-turn, in which case you can switch to a more threatening Pokemon to take them on. However, if they do switch, you will get to see what they switch into before you use U-turn yourself and allow you to scout out their Pokemon and lets you switch in an appropriate counter. That would either force them to switch out once again, or risk losing their Pokemon.

@Leftovers/Life Orb
Naughty/Adamant Nature
-Screech
-U-turn
-Earthquake
-Draco meteor/Dragon Claw

Draco Meteor is there to go against physical walls that may try to switch in, but you may not find splitting your offenses as effective as staying all physical however, the surprise benefits may just grant you the win. Naughty if using a Mixed set. Mukubird's EV spread should work out for it, escept you can actually spare some Attack EVs for some Hit points or more Special Attack if you need.

For future reference, there is an RMT thread.
 
This is what I ran on my Flygon before I realized how horribly outclassed he was and stopped using him. (In OU anyways xD)


Flygon@Choice Scarf
252atk, not totally sure about the rest...
*U-Turn
*Stone Edge
*Earthquake
*Draco meteor

Definitely run this with a good Skarmory counter, as there likely to be switching in on this. Magnezone is probably the best option. Just U-Turn the hell out of there. Chomp and Mence outclass him, but he does have the ability to roost more effectively, spikes etc. don't touch him, rocks barely ding him and hes got U-Turn. I wouldn't try running him as a wall with all the heavy hitters out there, hes not gonna be comfortable taking much of anything unless its resisted or a weak neutral move.
 
But Flygons not even UU so the only place to be using him is OU since an actual BL metagame isn't established.

Anyway who cares, go for the cool points and use him.

(sometimes I think an RMT forum would be more useful than the Wireless forum we have now considering all the rates this single question is getting)
 
Thanks for the advice guys, their all cool ideas. None of them really stand out as anything I want to use but I'll give them a try and see what I can make of them.

And for reference, why am I being directed to a "Rate My Team" thread when I didn't give a team for rating? All I wanted was help on a specific pokemon, and I didn't even have a foundation to build from. I wanted people to give creative ideas to see what the best options out of many circumstances would become. If I wanted help having him fill a specific niche in a pre-determined team I would have gone to the RMT thread.

Again, thanks for your advice guys, and if anybody else has anything to add, please go ahead, I can use all the help I can get.

(And incase your wondering why I'm so super appreciative, I'm in another thread here about children undertaking pokemon journeys and nobody has directly responded to me in it yet and its a little... hurtful I guess you might say, to be ignored after working hard to put up a thoughtful, insightful post on a subject.)
 
Yamato_Ishida said:
Thanks for the advice guys, their all cool ideas. None of them really stand out as anything I want to use but I'll give them a try and see what I can make of them.

And for reference, why am I being directed to a "Rate My Team" thread when I didn't give a team for rating? All I wanted was help on a specific pokemon, and I didn't even have a foundation to build from. I wanted people to give creative ideas to see what the best options out of many circumstances would become. If I wanted help having him fill a specific niche in a pre-determined team I would have gone to the RMT thread.

Again, thanks for your advice guys, and if anybody else has anything to add, please go ahead, I can use all the help I can get.

(And incase your wondering why I'm so super appreciative, I'm in another thread here about children undertaking pokemon journeys and nobody has directly responded to me in it yet and its a little... hurtful I guess you might say, to be ignored after working hard to put up a thoughtful, insightful post on a subject.)
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Still RMT, doesn't always lead to Rating One's Team. It's pretty much become a thread where you get or give advice about battling.. and technically.. you were asking for advice about a Pokemon that in the future, may or may not be on your team! :P

Either way, it's all good :)
 
Lol, thanks for the explanation, Blurz, I hadn't thought of it like that. One other thing of note though, is that in the RMT thread people don't often get much individual attention, sometimes they end up getting skipped over entirely.

As nice as the idea of the RMT thread might be, it doesn't get the job done nearly as well as an independent thread. You see all the interesting replies I got, and am likely to continue to get for a few more days until people have exhausted their ideas.

Check the RMT thread, VERY few people get more than one or two responses to their request. And as I said, some people get missed entirely lol.
 
Yamato_Ishida said:
As nice as the idea of the RMT thread might be, it doesn't get the job done nearly as well as an independent thread. You see all the interesting replies I got, and am likely to continue to get for a few more days until people have exhausted their ideas.
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Hence why I wonder why we have a Wireless Forum when no one can commit to any wireless activities or a Trading Figure Game forum but not so much as a sub-forum for competitive battling.

Yeah in the past the presence of competitive players (or those who want to get into it) were slim, but with the age of Wifi that's begining to change. Seriously there can't be more people who are into the Trading Figure Game than wireless and shoddy battling.
 
Lol, I have to agree with you there Outrage. Competitive battling seems pretty huge now. Alot of people who never really got into pokemon all that much are falling in love with the competitive scene. Sure Smogon is there for them, but some of us like the idea of a more... familial community, one that tends to embrace eachother and support eachother than a gathering place for jerks who overcompetisize everything. (not that I'm saying all Smogonites fit that bill, just that its the basic impression one gets from reading alot of the threads on that forum.)

Sadly, it appears my little request thread has , and here I was hoping for one or two more contributors. Oh well though, they've given me ideas and I do have access to the movelist. Here's hoping things go well for me and my dessert dragon. If anybody else has stuff I'd appreciate it, but at least I've recieved a fair amount of help. Thank you.
 
Hey, that's just a negative stereotype of Smogon. I fin that people on SPPf who think they are good tend to be jerks. It would be nice if people had a place to go that didn't want to go to smogon.

How about you give us what you want to see in a Flygon and we can try from there.
 
I wish I could tell you something more specific, but basically I'm trying to find a way to put him into my team thats competitive, to use him in a way where, for that purpose, he would be better than Garchomp. I'm trying to find a way to make him shine lol, you get what I'm saying Outrage? (sorry the reply took me so long.)
 
How about you show us the rest of your team so we can see how it can fit in there. And the set I suggested is something Garchomp can't do :P
 
Alright, but your not going to like the type balance... lol.

Bellyzard (firepunch+EQ for offence)

Gyarados (Dragon Dancer)

Sceptile (Agility + Petaya special sweeper)

Dragonite (Agility + Liechi physical sweeper)

Rampardos (general clean up basher)



[Edit] And to Noctowl, I think the point of EQ was to bash a painful smack onto Blissey or Milotic on the switch, since their special defences are so much higher, and with a 20 point difference in base stat, his physical attack won't be far below his special even with a blank slate for physical and max EV's in special.
 
Your team lacks any walls and are just straight up sweepers. Its already Thunderbolt + Icebeam weak, adding Flygon to the mix is not going to help it any better competitively.

As for Dragonite, why would you use Agility + Leichi when it has Dragon Dance?
 
Because I didn't feel like using a +speed nature to get its speed high enough to outspeed jolly base 130's after a single speed boost? lol. As I've got him EV'd right now, he survives a starmie or gengar ice beam to agil up, gets the liechi boost, and takes out on average 2 pokes, and severely weakens the third.
 
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